The Oct 2004 edition of Truck Trend states that Titans require premium fuel. Is this true? Maybe I should have checked, but I've been putting 87 octane in mine since I bought it in Nov 05! Mmmm.....:crybaby:
And you think the Dyno gives you true road times and horsepower? Get real, Im no genius but the G tech does factor those in. Beside the G tech is the only thing there is to show true times other than the trac. Given my G tech times and your Premium regular THEROY Ill take the G tech.EricCartmann said:on a motorcycle (on a dyno) it is a lot easier to prove power cause you can take out the tank and empty it yourself, also it is in a controlled environment (heated room with no wind).
Yesturday http://www.weather.com/activities/d...day.html?locid=34234&from=36hr_topnav_drivingEricCartmann said:i doubt both tanks were exactly 3/4 full and that it was exactly 78 degrees both days.
the majority of refineries may or may not go through additional refining processes but according to the FTC:mach1 said:Not always the case. Some brands filter thier premium more than the regular, and some even go as far as to make it much cleaner in the refining process. Amoco used to do this, now they sell thier gas at BP
Where did you read that I would take the G tech over the dyno??? I said the G tech will simply give you very close readings on REAL conditions thats it. I dont care what you say about the Dyno it does'nt. After you pull your vehicle, what ever it is, off the machine and drive it down the road dont expect those #'s to go to your tires. You have to factor in alot more conditions. Not saying the Dyno is'nt a superior machine at all. But what else is out there besides the trac that will give you close to true readings? Go on......Educate me !EricCartmann said:dyno shows you were the power is shows you where the dips are.. only thing would change is the peak and the overall curve would be higher on cool days.. nothing beats a dynojet dynometer... it will not give top speed but it will give you accurate HP. Speed is also dependent on aero dynamics.. the dyno does not factor that.. pure and simple it measures the engine performance.. lets see $300 device vs. a $5000 device ... hmmmmmmmmm
lets stick to the original topic.. you claim that premium is better performance.. i say your numbers does not prove anything. 1/2 second off does not mean anything, a lot gets factored into 1/4 mile times which I already mentioned (such as wind, grade, temp, surface temp, surface condition, etc) .. also your reaction might have been even slower the day you ran 87 because you did not have your wheaties....who knows? :dunno:Helinut1970 said:Where did you read that I would take the G tech over the dyno??? I said the G tech will simply give you very close readings on REAL conditions thats it. I dont care what you say about the Dyno it does'nt. After you pull your vehicle, what ever it is, off the machine and drive it down the road dont expect those #'s to go to your tires. You have to factor in alot more conditions. Not saying the Dyno is'nt a superior machine at all. But what else is out there besides the trac that will give you close to true readings? Go on......Educate me !
You've got to be kidding. I could beat that bicycle with my kids electric jeep!!!!!!:jester: :cheers:EricCartmann said:i know u can do anything to your 5600 cc Titan and I will still whoop your *** around a track on my wimpy 600cc R6 :haveredfl
Jessica in the pits maxin and relaxin
ok that last part about how i would whoop yo azz around dee track was unecessary but I had to add it anyways
:haveredfl
f00dstamps said:the majority of refineries may or may not go through additional refining processes but according to the FTC:
As a rule, high octane gasoline does not outperform regular octane in preventing engine deposits from forming, in removing them, or in cleaning your car's engine. In fact, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency requires that all octane grades of all brands of gasoline contain engine cleaning detergent additives to protect against the build-up of harmful levels of engine deposits during the expected life of your car.
this is an older article from USA Today about premium gas. this guy seems to know his stuff but chooses regular over premium.
"I personally use regular even though my owner's manual says you'll get better performance with premium," says Lewis Gibbs, consulting engineer and 45-year veteran at Chevron oil company. He's chairman of Technical Committee 7 on Fuels, part of the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) Fuels & Lubricants Council
:jester: :jester: :jester: :jester:Helinut1970 said:You've got to be kidding. I could beat that bicycle with my kids electric jeep!!!!!!:jester: :cheers:
One thing is for sure. If I use 87 oct. I get a spark knock when I hammer it and all the time when I am towing stuff. When I put premium in no more spark knock. That is proof enough for me. Besides my All mighty, all knowing, Far superior, G for God tech told me so!:jester:EricCartmann said:this is a great article and even though that chemical engineer (who probably knows more about car gasoling properties more than any of us combined) states all you need is 87, it will not matter because there are people here ingrained to think that they need premium... (cough cough helinut and pi3yeargrad). Thats why marketers love these guys.. all the marketers have to do is put "premium" on the box and these guys will believe it.
what color is your Titan? I got a black one and for the black ones 87 octane has worked for me flawlessly with no knocks or pings. I am sorry to hear you got an inferior one.Helinut1970 said:One thing is for sure. If I use 87 oct. I get a spark knock when I hammer it and all the time when I am towing stuff. When I put premium in no more spark knock. That is proof enough for me. Besides my All mighty, all knowing, Far superior, G for God tech told me so!:jester:
I refuse to once again get into this stupid back and forth education of facts so...I'll say this only once and then....do a search here....all the info has beaten to death and all the facts gone over. You're not educating anyone because you are dead wrong. No, the Titan does not run better on 87, it runs better, smoother, and has 10 more HP on 91 octane fuel. The Endurance engine IS in fact a high compression (9.8) motor. But it's the fact that the ECU advances/retards timing with octane that causes more or less power. On that note, I'll let you do the research either here or elsewhere because quite frankly, it's like teaching a middleschool class.....once you get one class to understand, their done and another new class comes in.:huh:EricCartmann said:you must be like 67 yrs old. sound like my gradnpa, "this is how i do it"... forget that people are trying to help educate you. Titan runs better on 87, and that 87 is cheaper. Than again marketers love people like you... all they have to do is put a "premium" label on things.
all i can say is hehehehe i told ya so hehehe:upsidedow :upsidedowHudsonValleyTitan said:I refuse to once again get into this stupid back and forth education of facts so...I'll say this only once and then....do a search here....all the info has beaten to death and all the facts gone over. You're not educating anyone because you are dead wrong. No, the Titan does not run better on 87, it runs better, smoother, and has 10 more HP on 91 octane fuel. The Endurance engine IS in fact a high compression (9.8) motor. But it's the fact that the ECU advances/retards timing with octane that causes more or less power. On that note, I'll let you do the research either here or elsewhere because quite frankly, it's like teaching a middleschool class.....once you get one class to understand, their done and another new class comes in.:huh:
HudsonValleyTitan said:I refuse to once again get into this stupid back and forth education of facts so...I'll say this only once and then....do a search here....all the info has beaten to death and all the facts gone over. You're not educating anyone because you are dead wrong. No, the Titan does not run better on 87, it runs better, smoother, and has 10 more HP on 91 octane fuel. The Endurance engine IS in fact a high compression (9.8) motor. But it's the fact that the ECU advances/retards timing with octane that causes more or less power. On that note, I'll let you do the research either here or elsewhere because quite frankly, it's like teaching a middleschool class.....once you get one class to understand, their done and another new class comes in.:huh:
huh? 9.8 is high compression? The Corolla has higher compression and only requires 87 octane. So more than compression comes into play when it comes to fuel octane requirement. FYI: Here are some compression numbers for you:HudsonValleyTitan said:The Endurance engine IS in fact a high compression (9.8) motor.
uh.........the QX56 has the same CR of the titan and it requires premium soooooooo its a moot point really.......its all about timingEricCartmann said:huh? 9.8 is high compression? The Corolla has higher compression and only requires 87 octane. So more than compression comes into play when it comes to fuel octane requirement. FYI: Here are some compression numbers for you:
titan 9.8:1
accord 9.7:1
corrolla 10:1
corvette 11:1
porche 911 11.8:1
Helinut1970 said:Listen....I am not trying to prove that any is better than the other. IMO I think that premium does give more power that is only my opinion based on what my G tech reading were. I didnt hype anything I just posted what it was reading.
Helinut1970 said:One of the Mods has this in his Sig. And it has become one of my favorite lines. I just hope I dont screw it up so here it goes..............."Don't argue with Idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"