I am on a 5000 mile oil change interval

[Timster13]

Originally Posted by nmanley

Let's see we quit sending man to the moon over 30 years ago because it was too easy and nothing to gain. Now we have a reusable space ship that performs great when people with scruples don't let government cost cut the wrong programs.

Not to jump off topic here, but our re-useable spaceship is a disaster without even taking the questionable government oversight and behavior into account.

Originally the Space Shuttle was designed to reduce the cost to space by using reuasable components. In the end it turns out that the amount of maintenance and upkeep far outpace the re-usability. A single Space Shuttle launch costs many times of what an Apollo era launch cost even when cost increases and adjustments for inflation are taken into account. And this was long before the additional restrictions that were imposed on NASA due to the Columbia accident. Also, the Shuttle is not capable of anything other than low Earth orbit.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Space Progarm and I think the Shuttle is cool, but the entire program has failed miserably when compared against it's original objectives. Never mind the fact that we lost 2 of them in service (Space flight is a dangerous business), but if NASA were to strictly follow the recommendations of the Columbia Accident Investiagtion Board, the usefullness of the Shuttle is reduced to almost zero (with the exception of servicing the International Space Station - another government lark with no clear mission or objective).

BTW, the new designs of spacecraft for possible future missions to the Moon are all based upon the Apollo era hardware with upgraded electronics.

I do agree with you that oils are much better these days though.

[12glocks]

Hudson Vally Titan:

I used to use Mobil 1 in everything. I have started using Penzoil Platinum now. I have seen some head to heads with Mobil 1 (oil analysis in the same vehicle) where Pensoil Platinum exibited lower wear. It's what I am using now. I will do a OA on it at 5k and see how it performed. It's about $8 cheaper per change. Then I will do another OA before the truck goes of warrenty. I think our 5.6 engines are very well built compared to say, the big 3 offerings. Like I mentioned, the 20 bucks with give me the data to see if there is a problem or if I need to dump my verhicle. I highly doubt either scenario but you never know.

Now there is nothing wrong with Mobil 1 either. Like a lot of products in this world they have the name brand so they can sell for higher. I would not blame you for sticking with Mobil 1. I think Pensoil Platinum is one of the sleeper synthetics out there.

Like I mentioned before. Most of the oil is outstanding today compared to years ago.

[HudsonValleyTitan]

Originally Posted by 12glocks

Hudson Vally Titan:

I used to use Mobil 1 in everything. I have started using Penzoil Platinum now. I have seen some head to heads with Mobil 1 (oil analysis in the same vehicle) where Pensoil Platinum exibited lower wear. It's what I am using now. I will do a OA on it at 5k and see how it performed. It's about $8 cheaper per change. Then I will do another OA before the truck goes of warrenty. I think our 5.6 engines are very well built compared to say, the big 3 offerings. Like I mentioned, the 20 bucks with give me the data to see if there is a problem or if I need to dump my verhicle. I highly doubt either scenario but you never know.

Now there is nothing wrong with Mobil 1 either. Like a lot of products in this world they have the name brand so they can sell for higher. I would not blame you for sticking with Mobil 1. I think Pensoil Platinum is one of the sleeper synthetics out there.

Like I mentioned before. Most of the oil is outstanding today compared to years ago.

Thanks for the info. I've also see comparos that put Mobil1 ahead of all others like Amsoil and Redline. But you have to be real careful as to exactly WHO is doing these tests. I can't imagine much, if any, difference between good synthetics. However, as I stated earlier, I use it more for the no gunking/coking properties than anything else. Any good synthetic should accomplish this as well.

[12glocks]

I concur about any good synthetic acomplishing your goals.

I think most synthetis are good, based on what I have seen.

And you are correct about the whole testing scent, that is why I mentioned comparisons in the same vehicle.

Again, there is nothing wrong with Mobil 1.

[Hatch]

Originally Posted by Timster13

Not to jump off topic here, but our re-useable spaceship is a disaster without even taking the questionable government oversight and behavior into account.

Originally the Space Shuttle was designed to reduce the cost to space by using reuasable components. In the end it turns out that the amount of maintenance and upkeep far outpace the re-usability. A single Space Shuttle launch costs many times of what an Apollo era launch cost even when cost increases and adjustments for inflation are taken into account. And this was long before the additional restrictions that were imposed on NASA due to the Columbia accident. Also, the Shuttle is not capable of anything other than low Earth orbit.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Space Progarm and I think the Shuttle is cool, but the entire program has failed miserably when compared against it's original objectives. Never mind the fact that we lost 2 of them in service (Space flight is a dangerous business), but if NASA were to strictly follow the recommendations of the Columbia Accident Investiagtion Board, the usefullness of the Shuttle is reduced to almost zero (with the exception of servicing the International Space Station - another government lark with no clear mission or objective).

BTW, the new designs of spacecraft for possible future missions to the Moon are all based upon the Apollo era hardware with upgraded electronics.

I do agree with you that oils are much better these days though.

Think of the Shuttle program, and the ISS for that matter, as "Earths concept cars", you have to remember that the Apollo program your comparing the cost to was designed for one thing only, 3 guys sitting on something the size of a futon from here to the moon. Very limited resources available (read as: none) for science experiments, and payload capacity was near zero, so only unmanned rocket shots were used to put satellites in orbit.

Sometimes the best reason to do something, is just to do it and learn from building it and then watching it melt/explode/fizzle/do nadadamnthing. There cant always be clear and defined goals and objectives. Half the things guys do are motivated by nothing more complex than "chicks dig it!"

We'd have a fleet of space shuttles if we could eliminate government graft. I saw a show a long time ago, must be 15 years or more now, and they were comparing the amount of graft in annual tax dollars lost to what it's purchasing power would be. IIRC it was like 4 shuttles, 12 super carriers, or 60 armored tank divisions, and those numbers included staff and support. And that was annually!!!

anyway, back to the oil thread, I'll probably be going with Mobil 1 when the time comes.

[Nuke]

Originally Posted by nmanley

This is an old question that will prove people have a wide view of opinions...

I have a different schedule, that nobody else has mentioned yet.

Every 3 months.

With several vehicles in my 'fleet', I can't possibly keep track of the miles on each one. Even if I could, I would spend all my free time buying, changing, and disposing of oil. So I take 1 day in January, April, July, and October and do all the vehicles. I make one trip to the store and one mess in the shop. It always works out to be 2500-5000 miles. If you do it that often, it doesn't matter whether you use synthetic or not, or what brand of filter you use. I started this schedule in college, when I was only home 4 times a year.

Changing synthetic oil every 3000 miles is pouring money down the drain pan.