Diesel V8 Titan CONFIRMED for 2009 - Page 4

TallTexan · 03-13-2008, 09:01 AM

Personally, I am installing dual exhausts on my golf cart and shopping for a turbo charger. I can't afford no more $4 every 12 miles.

Clint · 03-13-2008, 09:52 AM

I saw diesel for $4.30 here yesterday.

Clint

FourDoor · 03-13-2008, 12:49 PM

As happy as I am to hear more potential rumors of a diesel Titan, I'm a little worried that if they do go down the current route of outsourcing the motor, we can be in for a bumpy first year run for the diesel Titan.

daptech · 03-13-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dav8or

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Nissan had hoped to sell 100,000 Titans per year when the truck debuted in the 2004 model year, but so far the model has sold at about 85,000 per year.

Nissan has sold a total of 7486 Titans in Jan & Feb..........a record
low, 34% below 2007.
2007 sales were 65,746
2006 sales were 72,192
I won't believe rumors about anything new (diesel, performance model etc)
until I see it.

Yellomantis · 03-13-2008, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daptech

Nissan has sold a total of 7486 Titans in Jan & Feb..........a record
low, 34% below 2007.
2007 sales were 65,746
2006 sales were 72,192
I won't believe rumors about anything new (diesel, performance model etc)
until I see it.

Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.

HJH · 03-19-2008, 03:25 PM

At 72 cents more per gallon for diesel in my area, plus a few grand more for the engine and a beefed-up transmission, and truck, somebody has got to explain to me how a diesel Titan, or for that matter, a diesel in any half ton pickup, is cost-effective.
I bought a '97 Ford with the so-called reliable 7.3 liter Navistar engine. The engine had pin-holed the cylinder walls by 100K miles despite test tapes and regular doses of the anti-cavitation additive, and the tranny crapped the bed at 110 K miles because it wouldn't handle the power even before I added a Banks chip, torque converter, and rebuilt transmission. The rear end and axles went at 115 K miles, and I don't go off-roading. So much for greater engine longevity. All the parts cost more, the damned thing ate glow plug controllers and glow plugs like candy, and emission control parts failed regularly. In the mad dash for the added power all diesel owners seem to demand, mileage has gone to pot in all heavy duty diesels. My friend in Montana with a '93 Dodge still gets 21 mpg with his standard tranny, nobody else I know gets over 15 or 16 mpg in the Rockies, and many get less. I seldom got better mileage with the Ford than my Titan(16-16.5 mpg) gets now unless I drove 60 mph. Like Sammy Hagar, I can't do that.
Mileage while towing with the Ford diesel was no better than it is in my Titan, with a decline from 17 to 12 mpg while towing a boat, and 10-11 mpg towing a travel or horse trailer. I get the same towing with my Titan. So please, someone, explain to me how a diesel Titan is the holy grail!
Even if a diesel got better mileage, and the mags are saying engines under development by various manufacturers trying to grab part of the rumored 1/2 ton diesel market are capable of 22-30 mpg, it could only do that by being too slow, so owners would immediately demand more power, just like owners of bigger diesel trucks. More power has always equalled lower mileage and less reliability, and diesel truck mags now consider a truck with $10,000 in aftermarket parts to be getting good mileage if it gets 13 mpg! With fuel prices and increased cost of a diesel truck, where's the advantage? I had a 95 Chevy, a 97 Ford and an 04 Titan, so I've already had less reliability!

Brianguy · 03-19-2008, 04:09 PM

F.O.R.D.
****er Only Rolls Downhill
Fork Over Repair Dough
Fixed Or Repaired Daily
****ed Over Rebuilt Dodge
Found On Road Dead

rodolan · 03-19-2008, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianguy

F.O.R.D.
****er Only Rolls Downhill
Fork Over Repair Dough
Fixed Or Repaired Daily
****ed Over Rebuilt Dodge
Found On Road Dead

You forgot one First on Race Day (I know I'm gonna get ribbed for that one)

Armada · 03-19-2008, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HJH

At 72 cents more per gallon for diesel in my area, plus a few grand more for the engine and a beefed-up transmission, and truck, somebody has got to explain to me how a diesel Titan, or for that matter, a diesel in any half ton pickup, is cost-effective.
I bought a '97 Ford with the so-called reliable 7.3 liter Navistar engine. The engine had pin-holed the cylinder walls by 100K miles despite test tapes and regular doses of the anti-cavitation additive, and the tranny crapped the bed at 110 K miles because it wouldn't handle the power even before I added a Banks chip, torque converter, and rebuilt transmission. The rear end and axles went at 115 K miles, and I don't go off-roading. So much for greater engine longevity. All the parts cost more, the damned thing ate glow plug controllers and glow plugs like candy, and emission control parts failed regularly. In the mad dash for the added power all diesel owners seem to demand, mileage has gone to pot in all heavy duty diesels. My friend in Montana with a '93 Dodge still gets 21 mpg with his standard tranny, nobody else I know gets over 15 or 16 mpg in the Rockies, and many get less. I seldom got better mileage with the Ford than my Titan(16-16.5 mpg) gets now unless I drove 60 mph. Like Sammy Hagar, I can't do that.
Mileage while towing with the Ford diesel was no better than it is in my Titan, with a decline from 17 to 12 mpg while towing a boat, and 10-11 mpg towing a travel or horse trailer. I get the same towing with my Titan. So please, someone, explain to me how a diesel Titan is the holy grail!
Even if a diesel got better mileage, and the mags are saying engines under development by various manufacturers trying to grab part of the rumored 1/2 ton diesel market are capable of 22-30 mpg, it could only do that by being too slow, so owners would immediately demand more power, just like owners of bigger diesel trucks. More power has always equalled lower mileage and less reliability, and diesel truck mags now consider a truck with $10,000 in aftermarket parts to be getting good mileage if it gets 13 mpg! With fuel prices and increased cost of a diesel truck, where's the advantage? I had a 95 Chevy, a 97 Ford and an 04 Titan, so I've already had less reliability!

Long quote, but I generally agree. What's the point with a light duty diesel for consumer use? With diesel fuel much more expensive, it makes no sense. Even if fuel cost were identical, it would take a lot of miles to make up the difference in price.

Unless the frame, springs, axles, diffs and other suspension pieces are beefed up, you will not be able to tow more anyway. That brings you back to the 3/4 ton and 1 ton class.

But I must take issue with the writer's criticism of the 7.3 Powerstroke engine.
It was heavy and needed to be in a 3/4 ton truck with appropriate drive train and suspension, but it was considered to be quite reliable.

I know individual experiences are not statistically valid, but for the record, I still have and drive a 7.3L Powerstroke F-250 with 460,000 miles on it. It's there when I need to pull over 9,000 lbs. I did have to have a valve job done on it at about 300,000, but this is typical of the 7.3's. I think it will be good for about 600,000 before I retire it. Now, the 6.0 that replaced it is junk in my opinon.

The truck manufacturers going for light duty diesels must have been thinking diesel fuel would not be costing so much more than gas. If there is a market for the light duty diesel, it will be in stripped down trucks in fleet operation designed to work for 400,000 miles before being replaced.

Just one opinion.

Armada

pedalhappy1053 · 03-19-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodolan

You forgot one First on Race Day (I know I'm gonna get ribbed for that one)

Thats a good one comeback. Im going to remember that one

Brianguy · 03-19-2008, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodolan

You forgot one First on Race Day (I know I'm gonna get ribbed for that one)

bah, go ride a pony.

TitanEngineer · 03-20-2008, 08:28 AM

Most of the light duty diesels are coming out for the 2010 model year, which means development started at minimum year ago (more than likely longer than that) when Diesel was cheaper the gas. Also you are looking at a significant increase in mileage. I already read a report by cummins that their new light duty diesel was testing at 25-26 mpg in a half ton ram. Thats at 260+hp and 597+ ft lbs of torque. Which taken versus the last Hemi I drove thats about a 8-10 mpg increase with way more torque.

The light duty diesel market is huge everywhere but the United States because of our strict emissions laws, which will be overcome in the future

**HudsonValleyTitan** · 03-20-2008, 10:02 AM

Diesels in a 1/2 ton are really a catch 22 IMHO....at least now that Diesel is about $1 more a gallon here. It would be great to be able to tow the Titans 9400 LBS capability and get 12 to 14 MPG doing it... over the Titans 8 MPG. But when not towing, I want the Endurance' get up and go. It'll be very interesting to see how this whole Diesel 1/2 ton thing pans out due to Diesel prices and the vehicles premium purchase price. Only time will tell....not all this speculating.

TallTexan · 03-20-2008, 02:16 PM

If you listen to the politics of Obama and Hillary, you could easily see why folks are leary of buying anything. You can bet there will be heavy taxes on those who drive gas guzzlers like pickup trucks and the push will be for smaller engines and high gas mileage. Some of us here went through the 70's when powerful engines went away. Big 454 ci engines putting out little over 200 hp and most V8's put out less. The Chevy 350 ci put out 210 hp. If either of these two clowns get in office, I will dump my truck like a bad date.

daptech · 03-20-2008, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TallTexan

If you listen to the politics of Obama and Hillary, you could easily see why folks are leary of buying anything. You can bet there will be heavy taxes on those who drive gas guzzlers like pickup trucks and the push will be for smaller engines and high gas mileage. Some of us here went through the 70's when powerful engines went away. Big 454 ci engines putting out little over 200 hp and most V8's put out less. The Chevy 350 ci put out 210 hp. If either of these two clowns get in office, I will dump my truck like a bad date.

I remember that well. I had a 1975 Pontiac GrandAm with
455 CI engine.....200 HP.
But, I'm definitely voting for Hillary. I heard her say on TV that
she was going to force the oil companies to lower gasoline
prices.........& I believe her