Titan to get Diesel and a V6 - Page 3

eightballsidepocket · 10-11-2007, 01:10 PM

Still wonder why Nissan is going with the International deal and not Cummins or Isuzu/Duramax.

International and Ford had such a debacle with that 6.0 Powerstroke diesel, and the new Ford 6.4 Diesel from Navstar is way down on dyno power from the 6.6 Duramax and 6.7 Dodge Cummins diesel.

Here's some Road test stats:

On another thread a Diesel Truck Magazine test was done with the three new diesel powered p.u.'s.

The Ford 6.4 didn't fair too well in MPG's, accelleration with and without load, and also, it's tested dyno'd horsepower and torque, when compared to the Duramax and Cummins.

Hopefully this was a lemon or a fluke, but if you're having some mileage concerns, then maybe the 6.4 Powerstroke does have some differences that are important to the potential consumer that's looking for pulling power, and fuel economy too.

Never the less, I troubles me to think that Nissan is leaning towards Navstar for their future diesel power plant for the Titan.

Chev 2500HD 6.6L Duramax
Power at the rear wheels: 327hp/583tq1/4 mile: 14.69s
0-60 unloaded: 7.18s
0-60 w/9850# trailer: 20.69s
Observed average mpg**:14.6 mpg (best tankful 14.79 mpg, worst 13.88 mpg)
Vehicle weight as tested: 6609#

Dodge 2500 6.7L Cummins
Power at the rear wheels: 321hp/582tq
1/4 mile: 15.2s
0-60 unloaded: 7.8s
0-60 w/9850# trailer: 20.75s
Observed average mpg**: 14.5 mpg (Best tankful 16.55 mpg, worst 12.38 mpg)
Vehicle weight as tested: 7165# (note - longbox, the others were shortboxes)

Ford F350 (SRW) 6.4L Powerstroke
Power at the rear wheels: 274hp/539tq
1/4 mile: 15.58s
0-60 unloaded: 8.7s
0-60 w/9850# trailer: 22.22s
Observed average mpg**: 11.06 mpg (Best tankful 13.36 mpg, worst 8.27 mpg)
Vehicle weight as tested: 6698#

Steamguy · 10-11-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by desertruner09

I have never understood why they would put a V6 in a full size truck or why people want them.

If you want to address the service or delivery businesses, then a V6 is the engine to have. Also imagine the retail customer's face when they've come from the Ford lot and get into the V6 truck: "Well, I don't see any difference between this and the F-150..." And the salesman says, "Well, of course! This is the V6. Wait until you drive the V8 truck!!"

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Originally Posted by TitanEngineer

I always heard rumors that Ford's Electrical side of the powerstrokes was causing all the problems and it was Ford's lack of quality that made the newer motors so bad.

Part of my job is to check the news wires daily. The International/Ford thing is getting nasty: Ford is claiming that it's International's engines (and then Ford went off to begin developing their own engine - in violation of their non-compete agreements with International); and now International is claiming it's also Ford's programming that is failing to operate the engines within known, specified, and reasonable limits.

Wi$h · 10-12-2007, 05:48 AM

Okay on the Ford/International thing, I don't know for sure what the problem is, but its not because Ford made bad parts for the engine or whatever. I'm a Ford diesel tech and every single part for the Powerstrokes comes directly from International. Plus you can get the 6.0 in things other than Ford pickups, and they are not branded as Powerstrokes and those engines seem to have no problems. Pretty much the only thing Ford does is puts their pcm in the mix, which basically turns the International into a slave to the Ford pcm. Rumor is thats where the problem is.

And the 6.4 we've been told is only a 2-3 year engine, basically until Ford rolls their own diesel design out. So from the looks of it Ford will be dropping International engines, but that is just my speculation from what I know. So Nissan going with an International engine kinda makes sense, and if they are going with an inline 6 design then all the more better, because Internationals I-6's are great engines. And also the I-6 is a better engine design, as cneary said, no uneven wear. I-6's are naturally balanced engines too, so no need for balance shafts and stuff like that. Hopefully it won't be too long before we see em.

PossumValleyTitan · 10-12-2007, 06:53 AM

A) I would like to have a Titan diesel (if it looks like it will be one of the dependable ones...)

B) This thread seems to have folks knowledgeable about diesels offering insight, so here is a question: I heard or read somewhere that VW "is the largest manufacturer of diesels in the world". Is that true? Maybe with some qualifier(s)? Like "the most diesels <2.0L in the largest plant in some country", or some such.

I have 2 VW and 1 Perkins diesels, and I like 'em all.

Juday · 10-12-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PossumValleyTitan

A) I would like to have a Titan diesel (if it looks like it will be one of the dependable ones...)

B) This thread seems to have folks knowledgeable about diesels offering insight, so here is a question: I heard or read somewhere that VW "is the largest manufacturer of diesels in the world". Is that true? Maybe with some qualifier(s)? Like "the most diesels <2.0L in the largest plant in some country", or some such.

I have 2 VW and 1 Perkins diesels, and I like 'em all.

Caterpillar is the world's largest manufacturer of medium speed engines, as well as one of the world's largest manufacturers of high speed diesel engines, with ratings available from 54 to 13,600 hp (40 to 10,000 kW).

Many companies claim to be the largest manufacturers of diesels, but I believe Caterpillar is the best. Also, Cummins Onan claims to be the largest manufacturer of diesels over 200hp. So, beats the hell outta me which one is right...so I'm just going to go with Caterpillar (because I love Caterpillar).

**DeadRiver** · 10-12-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Juday

Caterpillar is the world's largest manufacturer of medium speed engines, as well as one of the world's largest manufacturers of high speed diesel engines, with ratings available from 54 to 13,600 hp (40 to 10,000 kW).

Many companies claim to be the largest manufacturers of diesels, but I believe Caterpillar is the best. Also, Cummins Onan claims to be the largest manufacturer of diesels over 200hp. So, beats the hell outta me which one is right...so I'm just going to go with Caterpillar (because I love Caterpillar).

so you love CAT???

is this just domestic or global sales? i know over seas they also have quite a range of heavy equipment for mining and the like. CAT's do have a nice sound to them, but I still love the 70's detroit deisels with dual stacks..

I still think I should have skipped college and become a heavy equipment operator..

Wi$h · 10-12-2007, 12:28 PM

CAT's are nice, just a little on the expensive side. I personally like cummins, with the exception of their big stuff like the ISX because they have such a weird fuel system on it. But that engine is a beast. But I tell ya if someone offered a C7 in a pickup that would be awesome, with an Allison trans behind it.

GRAYGHOST · 10-12-2007, 12:44 PM

I would think that a Renault Diesel would be a natural fit for the Titan. I have always heard great things about them and there would never be any issues between supplier and manufacturer.

PossumValleyTitan · 10-12-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Juday

Caterpillar is the world's largest manufacturer of medium speed engines, as well as one of the world's largest manufacturers of high speed diesel engines, with ratings available from 54 to 13,600 hp (40 to 10,000 kW).

Many companies claim to be the largest manufacturers of diesels, but I believe Caterpillar is the best. Also, Cummins Onan claims to be the largest manufacturer of diesels over 200hp. So, beats the hell outta me which one is right...so I'm just going to go with Caterpillar (because I love Caterpillar).

Thanks for the reply. Interesting stuff --- what does "medium speed" and "high speed" engines mean? Does that imply there is a "low speed"?

A Cat in a pickup would be impressive. Guys would buy it just for the caps and stickers...

Heck, I would be thrilled to have the Kubota diesel lawnmower I saw recently.

*kha4079* · 10-12-2007, 03:16 PM

man they should come up with a single cab short bed titan with the 5.6 in it itll be sweeet!

**DeadRiver** · 10-12-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kha4079

man they should come up with a single cab short bed titan with the 5.6 in it itll be sweeet!

**** that thing would be lethal!

*kha4079* · 10-12-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadRiver

**** that thing would be lethal!

yea it would!!!

and on diesel engines,... my vote is for detroit diesels

man those sthings are still out and running on barges pumpin out crude oil to the refineries

(ima welder i repair barges) theye real known for their huge powerful v8 engines

i heard somewhere that mercedes bought detroit diesel...

Titan4mde · 10-12-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kha4079

i heard somewhere that mercedes bought detroit diesel...

Careful, careful. This is how the ugly Cummins/Ford thing got started.LOL

Titan4mde · 10-12-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Juday

...so I'm just going to go with Caterpillar (because I love Caterpillar).

Love em all you want, but if you're in the construction industry, its just a hyped up name plate Mitsubishi's technology! And there is much more effecient equipment out there that will smoke CAT's. That's why noone has touched the Cat diesel in a light/medium duty pick-up; they don't want anything to do with Mitsubishi right now because of the bind that they have put on CAT!! You will especially not see one in a Nissan because they are competing(mit and nissan)

Titan4mde · 10-12-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

I would think that a Renault Diesel would be a natural fit for the Titan. I have always heard great things about them and there would never be any issues between supplier and manufacturer.

Renault makes a decent diesel. Good power and reliability. EVERYBODY has issues with outsourcing and I do mean everybody. I work with one of the best suppliers WORLDWIDE, and they still have issues on occasion.