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Old 11-23-2007, 07:15 PM   #1
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Question What's up with the Tundra?

I'm sure I'm not the only person to see this but why in the world would Toyota put only 5 lug nuts on their truck? Maybe they put too much money into advertising.
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Old 11-23-2007, 07:30 PM   #2
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

the studs may be a larger diameter
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Old 11-23-2007, 07:31 PM   #3
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

I don't understand it either and what other kind of effects would it have on peformance besides less strength on the axles?
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Old 11-23-2007, 07:50 PM   #4
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

The amount of bolts is kind of irrelevant. As long as the studs are bigger, you can use less of them and still have the same strength. Without knowing they type of material, the thickness, and lots of other variables you can't say that ours is stronger just because we have one extra stud. Even if we only had 4 studs, they would still not be the weakest link in a truck. Those 4 studs would still hold more weight than our trucks are rated for. You really should see what holds the main drive shaft on a bell 206 helicopter. It is 8 1/4 inch studs, and they hold the drive shaft in the transmission. They are holding the m/r drive shaft, head, and rotor blades to the transmission. So they are supporting all of the load of the helicopter.

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Old 11-23-2007, 07:54 PM   #5
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

Ok maybe I'm an idiot on this topic but, what does the amount of lugs have to do with the trucks 1/2 ton rating?
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Old 11-23-2007, 07:55 PM   #6
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

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Ok maybe I'm an idiot on this topic but, what does the amount of lugs have to do with the trucks 1/2 ton rating?
Are you asking that of me?
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

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Are you asking that of me?

lol....anyone who can answer it. I really don't know.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:03 PM   #8
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lol....anyone who can answer it. I really don't know.
The closer the bolts are together, the more side load it can take.

That was kind of the question that I was hinting at when I made my first post. I really don't see that our trucks need 6, but it sure can't hurt.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:09 PM   #9
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

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The closer the bolts are together, the more side load it can take.

That was kind of the question that I was hinting at when I made my first post. I really don't see that our trucks need 6, but it sure can't hurt.

So the amount and not the size of the lugs is what's important? Maybe the ones with 5 lugs have a bigger diameter or something. It's funny, I've never even noticed the damn lugs...lol.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:18 PM   #10
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So the amount and not the size of the lugs is what's important? Maybe the ones with 5 lugs have a bigger diameter or something. It's funny, I've never even noticed the damn lugs...lol.
Yes, the ones with less usually are bigger, I really don't think 6 is any better than 5. It is better to spread the load out, but 5 studs the thickness of ours is very strong. Before you could break even 5 lug nuts, you would probably bend the rearend. I hope this makes sense, I am not the best at explaining things.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:29 PM   #11
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

I've noticed a big jump in load ratings on some of the wheels in the 8 bolt patterns.

Like helomech said though, the closeness of the bolts is probably the reason ... even though the 8-bolt has a bigger circle than the 5 or 6 bolt patterns listed below, they are still closer together.

For example a Procomp 6089 for a 17" diameter by 8" width rims at 5, 6, and 8 bolts.
Edit: Bolt pattern is given in diameter, so multiply diameter times 3.142, then divide by number of bolts, to get distance between bolts.

Bolt Circ. Max-Load Weight
5x135mm 2200lbs 27lbs [3.34" on center].
6x5.5" 2200lbs 27lbs [2.88" on center, (Titan)].
8x6.5" 3420lbs 27lbs [2.55" on center, (closest bolts and biggest load)].
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:13 PM   #12
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

Somebody needs to find the diameter of the lugs on both trucks.
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

I have aftermarket rims and The lugs are 1 inch from flat side to flat side and each lug is about 2.75 inches apart. That might help.
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:04 PM   #14
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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

You're right it's pi * the diameter divided by the number of bolts ... So for the Titans 5.5" diameter, the circumference is 17.281". And the distance between them is 2.88". Lug nuts are 12mm x 1.25 thread, according to sfxperformance.

So, for the 8 lug wheel example it would be 2.55".

According to Discount Tire, the '08 Tundra b.p. is 5 on 150mm, or 5 on 5.906". Therefore, it's bolts are about 3.71" apart ... quite a bit further apart than the Titan's, but a little larger bolt.
'08 Tundra lug nuts: 14mm x 1.5 OE thread pitch.

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Re: What's up with the Tundra?

the hubs on the new tundras also have a larger diameter than other 1/2 tons... also a new size aftermarket wheel lug pattern had to be created to accomodate the new tundras as well...

Tundra's new bolt pattern... 5X150MM BOLT PATTERN

i know many of you have said the look is growing on you. not me... they're still ugly as sin, i just can't get over the look. its ugliness matches that of a Pontiac Aztek. just can't stand to look at it no matter what angle, whether its lifted, or any other application...
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