Just Drained The Mobil 1 - Page 2

JetTech · 01-27-2004, 07:49 PM

Oil Sample Results from my Titan at 1000 miles.

Bayou Titan · 01-27-2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetForeman

Just in case anyone here is a synthetic nut like myself I don't think I would recommend trying it out in your new Titan. At 1000 miles I drained the factory fill oil and put Mobil 1 10W-30 in it. Yesterday at 2000 miles I dumped it out and put Havoline 5W-30 in it. Why would I waste expensive Mobil 1???? Glad you asked........ever since I put it in the engine it sounded louder at idle, more valve train noise than what it did with the factory fill oil. No noticeable gas mileage drop or other noises during acceleration or cruise, just a whole lot of valve train noise at idle. Now that I put good old dino juice back in it all is quiet at idle now. I guess I may have to change my views concerning synthetics with what I know now concerning the Titan. I'll be picking up a couple of cases of Chevron Supreme, which by the way does awesome in oil sample tests.

Jet,
What did you do with the Mobil 1 you drained from your Titan? Sounds kinda funny but I guess you have taken it back to where you bought it and told them it didn't work!

Robert

JetTech · 01-27-2004, 07:56 PM

Your kidding right?

Doghouse · 01-27-2004, 08:17 PM

It is not a demand, but on page 9-4 last column of the owners manual states
"NISSAN recommends mineral based oils. These oils must, however, meet the API quality and SAE viscosity ratings specified for your vehicles."

It also states that on page 8-11 middle column an interesting item:
"Use only Genuine Nissan Matic J ATF. Do not mix with other fluids.

Using automatic transmission fluid other then Genuine Nissan Matic J ATF will cause deterioration in drivability and automatic transmission durability, and may damage the automatic transmission, which is not covered by the NISSAN new vehicle limited warranty."

In other words use their ATF or your warranty is VOID! How do you like that $%^&*.

Yup, I am one of those idiots who read the whole manual and highlight it.

JetTech · 01-27-2004, 08:22 PM

I read that too Dog, but it could be argued that synthetics are mineral based, of which they are. Just highly refined with PAO's and Esters in some cases. Also concerning the tranny fluid I've noticed a lot of manufacturers are going that way. The C230 Mercedes my wife used to have required Mercedes ATF, no other substitutions were allowed....Period!! If I'm not mistaken Chrysler has been doing that for a while too...

karlconnell · 01-27-2004, 08:59 PM

Jet, how does one go about getting oil tested? I'm thinking about changing mine this weekend (at 2k currently) and I was thinking about using Mobil 1 Syn until the shop forman at the dealership and your test results convinced me otherwise. Our local dealership uses Mobil (non-syn) so I'm thinking about using that as well.

Karl

Coolhand · 01-27-2004, 09:16 PM

Hey Jet that is good stuff. A very interesting way to guage engine wear for those nerds among us (me included). I had no idea you could get oil tested like this, although it makes perfect sense. Very interesting, thanks again.

outahere · 01-27-2004, 09:31 PM

Strange that the Titan motor does not like synthetics. I believe Mobil-1 is (or was) a factory fill in some vehicles (Porsche and Corvette for example). Glad to hear that the Havoline oil tests well, have been using it in a Totyota truck for years.

lizardking · 01-27-2004, 10:39 PM

Changed my oil at 1100 miles or there abouts... Took it to Nissan and they had no issues in changing my oil early in fact they said it was a good idea.. They put in there Nissan oil and I have no issues with that.. I figure if something does go wrong they can't point the finger at my oil.

cnatra · 01-28-2004, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetForeman

I read that too Dog, but it could be argued that synthetics are mineral based, of which they are. Just highly refined with PAO's and Esters in some cases. Also concerning the tranny fluid I've noticed a lot of manufacturers are going that way. The C230 Mercedes my wife used to have required Mercedes ATF, no other substitutions were allowed....Period!! If I'm not mistaken Chrysler has been doing that for a while too...

yeah, a lot of manufactures are doing this now, Honda/Acura too

cnatra · 01-28-2004, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outahere

Strange that the Titan motor does not like synthetics. I believe Mobil-1 is (or was) a factory fill in some vehicles (Porsche and Corvette for example). Glad to hear that the Havoline oil tests well, have been using it in a Totyota truck for years.

yes, BMW M cars, Mercedes AMG cars, Ferrari

GM since '92, LT1, LT6, LS1, LS6

aws316 · 01-28-2004, 12:42 PM

the engine oil bible: http://www.fernblatt.com/longhurst/engineoil_bible.html

outahere · 01-28-2004, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lizardking

Changed my oil at 1100 miles or there abouts... Took it to Nissan and they had no issues in changing my oil early in fact they said it was a good idea.. They put in there Nissan oil and I have no issues with that.. I figure if something does go wrong they can't point the finger at my oil.

There is a school of thought that changing the oil too early can interfere with the break-in process, and will lead to excessive oil consumption for the life of the motor.

JetTech · 01-28-2004, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outahere

There is a school of thought that changing the oil too early can interfere with the break-in process, and will lead to excessive oil consumption for the life of the motor.

There are many schools of thought on the whole break-in process as well as when to change the oil. I don't think I've read anything scientific concerning this issue but I sure have read lots of past experiences. I've always been the "break it in like your going to drive it" type person and then get rid of the oil as quick as possible. My oil sample, that I just did, proves there's a bunch of crap floating around in the oil after only 1000 miles. I have a hard time believing that it would be better to let it sit in there for another 2k miles rather than change it out and put fresh in. Most all of the tuners I've spoke with say the engine is broken in by the time we buy'em on the lots. Lot's of hard running after the vehicle is assembled and a few test drives seems to do the trick. Who knows for sure.

My wifes Aviator had 5800 miles on it when we bought it (demo) and the first oil change was done at 5100 miles. I doubt it will decrease the longevity of the engine but I'm would have liked to have been able to do an oil sample at that time, or maybe not!!!

LanceK · 01-28-2004, 04:36 PM

These threads about oil and fuel always fascinate me.

I think anybody that offers their opinion in any depth should first state their credentials in terms of the subject at hand.

I'm not saying some of you don't have any experience with oils, but I think it's important to state specific reasons why you consider one better than another.

In addition I always read any forum post with a healthy dose of skepticism. The above comment about finding fragments in an oil test is good information, but what does it really mean? Is it an acceptable level? Is a certain level good? Does it depend on what kind of stuff is in there to judge what is good and bad?

Years ago nobody knew that we had insect fragments in much of our food. Now that we know about it we still eat. In other words knowing something is there that always has been might not be that big of a deal.

Don't forget, the oil analysis guy need to make a living too...

My .02