Class Action For The Fosgate???

[smoketitan]

I know that paypal has a class action suit, and it happens to many companies

I wonder if we could start one for the pseudo 1200 non fosgate system

what do you all think

[lizardking]

Sounds great....False advertising..

[TriKKy]

I don't think there is any chance in hell you would ever win.

I doubt that a company such as Nissan would make such a stupid mistake as to open themselves up to such an action, especially given the litigious society we live in.

[Tom Roper]

If Nissan has a license from Fosgate to use the name, then you have a Fosgate product. If Fosgate wants to sellout their reputation for license fees from Nissan, that's Fosgate's problem. Your problem is becoming a more discerning consumer.

Caveat Emptor.

[Butneway]

I posed that question to Nissan directly. As soon as I mentioned it, the gentleman on the line shut up and started giving me canned answers. He also would not forward me any information of our conversation, stating that an attorney would have to subpoena it. I believe there has been misleading advertising and sales practices, that meet the truth in advertising laws of not only the Lahnam Act, The FTC Act and most any states consumer protection laws. I mentioned this and Nissan stated that RF "signed off" on the stereo system. I noted that nowhere on any literature, sales fliers, web site or on air advertising does it state it being designed by, or signed off on by anyone. He again gave me some canned answers. I asked him if he played golf to which he replied yes. I asked how he would feel about purchasing $2000 Pings and finding out later they were Square Two knockoffs... more canned answers.

The FTC complaint I filed garnered a response basically stating that while they do not handle individual cases, if a trend is spotted they will go after the case.

The problem will never be fixed for us, or any future buyers if we all take the attitude that TriKKY has.

[lizardking]

Rockford Fosgate used to be a good brand. Now it's nothing but a retail store brand like Pioneer and Sony.

[TriKKy]

Originally Posted by Butneway

The problem will never be fixed for us, or any future buyers if we all take the attitude that TriKKY has.

Right...PROVE ME WRONG. The ching-ching-let-that-cash-register-ring section of society is one that always amuses me, especially when they haven't a leg to stand on.

Sure you feel wronged....but TOUGH...get used to it. I promise you there will be worse things in your life than this.

I am a REALIST. Would I like a better system...YEAH. Do I think it sounds as good as it should...NO!

Maybe I just have just been around longer and seen more and have better things to do than file lawsuits which have absolutely NO CHANCE of winning but hey, if you want to go for it, be my guest. I think the radio leaves a lot to be desired, but as someone said before...RF gave them permission to do it the same as Suzuki gave GM the Geo Tracker. You don't see people going after GM for false advertising because their car is actually a Suzuki do you? That is the bottom line. If this was such a huge deal to you, you should have researched it more prior to buying. You put your faith in Nissan and they let you down and I will agree that their marketing leaves a lot to be desires. Hell, they could have simply said, "To bring you the best possible sound here is clarion, RF, alpine, pioneer mix which sounds the best" But then again it would sound crappy and you would be all over them for falsley claiming that it sounds good.

If you find a lawyer who will take this case probono then I will shut up and kiss your as$. Until that happens, I will hold to my opinion that you will never, EVER get a lawyer to run with it (unless you are paying him....and even then he may actually care about winning) and get it into a court without being shot down instantly. It isn't even really up to me to prove myself right, you have to prove me wrong by doing the above. Until then, do the world a favor and stop blaming other people for your problems. I am not the cause of your problems and I in no way hinder your ability to fix them. I promise that I will not testify on behalf of Nissan if it goes to court LOL.

[TitanEngineer]

I have to agree with Trikky on this one, it does suck, it pissed me off when I figured it out and I work for Nissan, but you think about. Bose makes absolutely no Car Audio products, except the "Bose" in oem applications. Take a listen to a bose surround sound system and then go sit in a car with bose, not just a nissan or an infiniti, but a gm or anything else that has bose stamped on it, and then try to tell me that they are made by the same company. The fact of the matter is, any oem product on a vehicle with a high dollar name, is outsourced. It is much easier for a company to outsource the oem stuff they designed or just wanted to put their name on, then to set up and manufacture the parts. When it comes down to it the only mistake made was Rockford not putting their name on the speakers themselves and Nissan not stopping it. I dont see what the big deal is anyway, since clarion has always had higher quality component speakers than RF.

but beyond all my ranting, you cant sue Nissan for false advertising, if they claim a RF audio system, and then buy components from RF and RF sends clarion speakers, then RF holds all liability, not Nissan, because technically it is RF.

[JMC]

Hey, isnt the actual stereo head built by Panasonic? Also, I heard or read on here the speakers were actually built by Clarion. If all this is true the RF emblem doesnt stand for much does it? Does the Bose system have the same head unit? I wonder how similar the Bose system is as compared to the RF......same sub box, amp, etc. Anyone have the skinny?

[smoketitan]

actually how the set worked at least how I was told by nissan CS, was that they had RF design the system explicity,and RF has no responsibility on the manufactruring and warranty. I was just wondeirng if it was possible since I know that gm had a class action suit a few years wehn they were putting chevy engines in oldsmobiles. now you notice that all their engines from chevy to buick to cadillac all have "GM engines"

It not that big of a deal, and I am not really ranting at all, just thought that others may want to discuus it, since reasearch is one thing, but when you go to pull your 1200 system out, and you have 30w rms 2 ohm cheap clarion paper speakers in the doors, a 6.5" clarion paper subwoofer in a a plastic enclosure, and a clarion amplifier,and a panasonic deck--no one will ever confuse this with a quality system. once you really know what you are listening to

that doesnt really transalte to 1200-1800 dollars to me, and I was/am a little unhappy with the Nissan CS level of product responsibility

Hey I was always told if you have enough people saying the same thing larger companies tend to listen a whole lot more as the sure are not listening to me

[lcbrownz]

Originally Posted by smoketitan

actually how the set worked at least how I was told by nissan CS, was that they had RF design the system explicity,and RF has no responsibility on the manufactruring and warranty. I was just wondeirng if it was possible since I know that gm had a class action suit a few years wehn they were putting chevy engines in oldsmobiles. now you notice that all their engines from chevy to buick to cadillac all have "GM engines"

It not that big of a deal, and I am not really ranting at all, just thought that others may want to discuus it, since reasearch is one thing, but when you go to pull your 1200 system out, and you have 30w rms 2 ohm cheap clarion paper speakers in the doors, a 6.5" clarion paper subwoofer in a a plastic enclosure, and a clarion amplifier,and a panasonic deck--no one will ever confuse this with a quality system. once you really know what you are listening to

that doesnt really transalte to 1200-1800 dollars to me, and I was/am a little unhappy with the Nissan CS level of product responsibility

Hey I was always told if you have enough people saying the same thing larger companies tend to listen a whole lot more as the sure are not listening to me

At least you had Clarion speakers with your RF unit. I received Panasonic speakers in the doors and chinese made tweeters in the dash with my mid-grade unit.

[HVACman]

Originally Posted by Tom Roper

If Nissan has a license from Fosgate to use the name, then you have a Fosgate product. If Fosgate wants to sellout their reputation for license fees from Nissan, that's Fosgate's problem. Your problem is becoming a more discerning consumer.

Caveat Emptor.

Not that I disagree with you but, who is going to walk into a dealership and tell a sales person "I need to see the audio disassembled so I can verify it is actually as described in your literature"? I don't know about yours but, when I replaced my Rockford Fosgate system the head unit was marked Panasonic.

If I walk into any audio retailer and ask for a R/F component I don't expect the have the sales person tell me "here, take the Panasonic, its the same thing".

[Tom Roper]

Originally Posted by kenrauch

Not that I disagree with you but, who is going to walk into a dealership and tell a sales person "I need to see the audio disassembled so I can verify it is actually as described in your literature"? I don't know about yours but, when I replaced my Rockford Fosgate system the head unit was marked Panasonic.

If I walk into any audio retailer and ask for a R/F component I don't expect the have the sales person tell me "here, take the Panasonic, its the same thing".

We argue, and seldom change anybody's mind, but I will admit to being persuaded by your point, and also SmokeTitan's salient point about what GM was doing when they rebadged Chevrolet engines --> to Oldsmobile Rocketfire V8. GM was required to disclose the source of engines used in division cars.

I don't know where you draw the line on what has to be disclosed and what doesn't. They have to disclose the percent domestic content is one example.

Back in late 60's or early '70's, the FTC had a problem in home audio systems, where a wattage race seemed to be taking place. But what it came down to, was a manufacturer of cheap audio products would use a different method to rate it, so as to be able to advertise a higher number. The FTC stepped in after complaints, mandating that power amplfiers were to be rated as follows: 50 watts per channel, both channels driven 1 khz into 8 ohm load with no more than .25% total harmonic distortion.

Now compare that to what the Nissan RF system gets away with, advertising 350 watts, RF and 'nuff said. If we were gullible enough to pay $2,000 I guess they could give us the same system and call it Mark Levinson.

It seems as though we've left the fox to guard the hen house.

[gtbigup01]

Kinda off topoc but related. Does anyone have a 02 sentra se-r. Those vehicles come with a RF stereo also (or claimed). Just wanted to know if it were the same bogus stuff or if it were alll RF components.

[smoketitan]

Originally Posted by Tom Roper

We argue, and seldom change anybody's mind, but I will admit to being persuaded by your point, and also SmokeTitan's salient point about what GM was doing when they rebadged Chevrolet engines --> to Oldsmobile Rocketfire V8. GM was required to disclose the source of engines used in division cars.

I don't know where you draw the line on what has to be disclosed and what doesn't. They have to disclose the percent domestic content is one example.

Back in late 60's or early '70's, the FTC had a problem in home audio systems, where a wattage race seemed to be taking place. But what it came down to, was a manufacturer of cheap audio products would use a different method to rate it, so as to be able to advertise a higher number. The FTC stepped in after complaints, mandating that power amplfiers were to be rated as follows: 50 watts per channel, both channels driven 1 khz into 8 ohm load with no more than .25% total harmonic distortion.

Now compare that to what the Nissan RF system gets away with, advertising 350 watts, RF and 'nuff said. If we were gullible enough to pay $2,000 I guess they could give us the same system and call it Mark Levinson.

It seems as though we've left the fox to guard the hen house.

EXCELLENT RESPONSE BRO!!!!!!! didnt know about the FTC stuff

I jsut wish we get even half the meber shere to mayne sign some sort of letter/petition and send it to Nissan that only we want a system similiar to what we paid for, by WHO we thought we were paying it to

and if not then all 04 RF owners who sign the petition should get the payments on their car loans wiped out up to the cost of the RF package