ant track times?

[bighawaii]

np, this will be fun. ill be sure to be blunt from now on.

[bighawaii]

Originally Posted by 04HEMI

I saw the original post, I dont have a book, but weight is one thing that every vehicle has. Which is why its the only real absolute.

so there are no other reputable references or any evidence where performance is only based on weight besides your own personal view? if there are none then you have no backing for the point your making and you need to stop posting flase statements here, even if you think they are right but in reality they are not. do a little homework on the matter, you will be in for a awakening. im giving you the benifit of a doubt on that one.

your statement that "weight is one thing that every vehicle has. Which is why its the only real absolute."
is also wrong, every vehicle has hp and tq, gearing, wheel/tire sizes, weight, and many more factors that a part in performance. your basing on weight alone like i said is wrong and you need to stop posting on and on with your Wrong views here. many factors affect the end product of performance, more specifically acceleration/speed. can you see how making just one a constant and the rest as variables then basing your opinion of acceleration/speed off it is wrong and not taking the whole picture into view? this is how just about, if not all your post's in this matter have been counterproductive. please elaborate on ALL my questions and points.

[04HEMI]

thanks, i appreciate that, just lay it out for me. And I will agree w/ everything you said above, and admit, that in fact, weight isnt everything in racing, and that it involves many other factors. If I ever said weight was everything, that was incorrect of me, i admit. I do still think its a very important peice of the pie though. Adding more weight to any combination of engine, tranny, gearing etc, will make that vehicle slower. But, you make excellent points. And since what your basicly saying is, that since a Dodge reg cab sb hemi and a Nissan ext cab Titans weight the same, the difference is elsewhere. And since the Dodges are faster than the Titans, your in essence saying that the Dodge has a better combination, so I thank you for the compliment. I never thought Id see any Titan owner admit to the Dodges being better laid out from a performance standpoint, but you suprised me. Thanks, it does feel good to know, that my Ram is more performance oriented than the Titan, and would outrun them.

[37L1]

Originally Posted by 04HEMI

thanks, i appreciate that, just lay it out for me. And I will agree w/ everything you said above, and admit, that in fact, weight isnt everything in racing, and that it involves many other factors. If I ever said weight was everything, that was incorrect of me, i admit. I do still think its a very important peice of the pie though. Adding more weight to any combination of engine, tranny, gearing etc, will make that vehicle slower. But, you make excellent points. And since what your basicly saying is, that since a Dodge reg cab sb hemi and a Nissan ext cab Titans weight the same, the difference is elsewhere. And since the Dodges are faster than the Titans, your in essence saying that the Dodge has a better combination, so I thank you for the compliment. I never thought Id see any Titan owner admit to the Dodges being better laid out from a performance standpoint, but you suprised me. Thanks, it does feel good to know, that my Ram is more performance oriented than the Titan, and would outrun them.

Funny, I don't recall bighawaii saying anything of the sort.

So, not to belabor the point, just because one says it is, does not necessarily mean that it is so.

I guess it all depends on what the meaning of "is", is. (Credit to W. Clinton)

Rock on.

[bighawaii]

"thanks, i appreciate that, just lay it out for me. And I will agree w/ everything you said above, and admit, that in fact, weight isnt everything in racing, and that it involves many other factors. If I ever said weight was everything, that was incorrect of me, i admit. "
ty for your attempt at a productive responce and your 2ed time admitting the truth.

"I do still think its a very important peice of the pie though. Adding more weight to any combination of engine, tranny, gearing etc, will make that vehicle slower."
if you read my previous post carefully then you would of seen i posted...every vehicle has hp and tq, gearing, wheel/tire sizes, weight, and many more factors that a part in performance...., more specifically acceleration/speed.

"But, you make excellent points."
ty, just trying to be productive.

"And since what your basicly saying is, that since a Dodge reg cab sb hemi and a Nissan ext cab Titans weight the same, the difference is elsewhere."
yes, that is a good conclusion to draw.

"And since the Dodges are faster than the Titans, your in essence saying that the Dodge has a better combination, so I thank you for the compliment. I never thought Id see any Titan owner admit to the Dodges being better laid out from a performance standpoint, but you suprised me. Thanks, it does feel good to know, that my Ram is more performance oriented than the Titan, and would outrun them. :cheer: "
ok you lost me there. it is your drawn conclusion that dodges are "faster" then titans, not mine. you obviously still dont see the whole picture on the aspect of performance or more specifically acceleration/speed.

with the competition being so close it would be such a tight race that the actual drivers' reaction time's and many other factors will play a bigger role in a race. i personally do not drag race my titan since its a truck and like to go offroading in it. acceleration/speed is just one aspect of performance, one the titan handles very well as well as off-roading and towing. the latter two are what many more truck drivers would be using their trucks for, the titan covers both aspects as well as many others of performance, which makes its very unique.

[JS02]

There are curb weights listed on Dodge's web site. When you compare them to a Titan the 2WD regular cab is lighter. The main reason the Dodges seem to have some fast times is that those particular trucks have spent some time at the track. The more you work with the vehicle the better you are able to launch and tune even if it is stock. I agree that the Dodge's are generally heavier. I don't know what happened with the Edmunds test. But if you want to compare vehicles with weights that are equal you have to use a scale or curb weights. You can't just use your opinion of the weight. That makes no sense. It seems there is a lot of difference in performance in the hemi's. The Titan's seem to be more consistent.

[byondevl]

Just ran my stock crew cab today.
Full tank

rea .290
60ft 2.425
330 6.603
1/8 10.071 @70.84
1/4et 15.66@87.02

[the head]

04Hemi - you in fact did post:
disagree w/ the above statement. If we're talkin about 1/4 racing, weight means everything

So OK, now you are taking other things into account. I can understand what you are getting at: same weight of the vehicles would be one less performance variable to look at. OK, I can go with that. But let's drop back to my point. A crew cab Titan - full size 4 door model versus a Dodge crew cab - full 4 door model. Alright? Titan weighs less, I understand that. However, the Dodge makes 345hp with the hemi. The Dodge also has the 3.92 gear, which is much better than the optional 3.36 gear the Titan can come with. So with 40 more hp and better gearing, comparing the same model trucks (full 4 doors) the Dodge, perhaps, comes up short in the 1/4 mile vs. the Titan. Yes, I understand that the Titan weighs less. But Dodge and Nissan made whatever they felt like making, just like Ford and Chevy did too. No HP limits, no wieght liimits, they just did what they wanted to.

I can go with you and say that the hemi is the more powerful of the engines and if you strictly judge the power, then it is "better". Fine with me. But that wasn't my argument. Mine was, again, crew cab vs. crew cab I believe the titan has beaten the dodge in the heads-up 1/4 mile comparos that I have read - not that I have read them all so I could be wrong. That's all. If you want to ramble on about a std. cab versus a 4-door crew cab, then be my guest as I'm done replying to this thread because I just wanted there to be no doubt as to the point I was trying to make.

Rant on.

[V8toilet]

My friends 2WD QC HEMI ran 14.99 @ 89 mph and runs consistent 15.1 quarter mile times. I saw this with my own eyes! We ran each other too and I can run 15.3+ with mine and he walks me every time but I always match his mph.

[broketitan]

Originally Posted by V8toilet

My friends 2WD QC HEMI ran 14.99 @ 89 mph and runs consistent 15.1 quarter mile times. I saw this with my own eyes! We ran each other too and I can run 15.3+ with mine and he walks me every time but I always match his mph.

what mods does he have?

[BudmanHemi]

I really dont have time too read every post here, but i will provide some info as too actual weight of hemi, and race time. The Hemi QC loaded are running 15.3's stock in my area. I am a RC LWB 4x4 with tow package, and heavy duty front axle. I also have a sprayed rhino liner that adds some weight. The weight is 5,100lb vehicle. I weigh 240lb so my race weight was 5,340lb. Truck was totally stock on run except for TCM mod. I think it may add a tenth, but i dought it. I actually plugged it back in cause i felt no difference. This weight is dead on. I took it too Petro truckstop and weighed it again with same weight. Reason i did is cause i thought the even pounds sounded weird. I dont have a printout of that one cause i didnt want too pay 8bucks. Flying J wrote void on it so it was free. Whats the titan weigh? anyone truly weighed one yet??

[sleightofhand]

Specifications

Titan crewcab 4x4 5341lbs
Dodge ram quadcab 4x4 5144

[JS02]

My KC SE 4X4 weighed in at 5300# with almost a full tank of fuel. Your numbers seem pretty real to me. 5000# for a 2WD RC SB seems very heavy to me. That was the numbers that Hemi04 was talking about. If you want to compare vehicles of equal weights you can't just guess at the weights and have any information that makes any sense.

[BudmanHemi]

Originally Posted by JS02

My KC SE 4X4 weighed in at 5300# with almost a full tank of fuel. Your numbers seem pretty real to me. 5000# for a 2WD RC SB seems very heavy to me. That was the numbers that Hemi04 was talking about. If you want to compare vehicles of equal weights you can't just guess at the weights and have any information that makes any sense.

True, Every vehicle that comes off the line is equipped different. I know the 20's are adding around 80# plus larger recipricating mass. The only way too get a true weight of a vehicle is too take it too a scale and weigh it. I would imagine the 2x4 RCSB Hemi's stripped with 17's would weigh in about 4,800. I believe 5k too be alittle high. I if i could remove LWB, remove 4x4, remove tow package, remove heavy duty front axle. That would shed me atleast 400lb. Again its its just guessing. No way too know unless a titan, and hemi are weighed. One adds fuel to weight too make dead even, and then run it at the track. Thats the only true way of finding the faster truck. Here is a picture of the truck that weighed in at 5,100lb with 1/4 tank of fuel.

[bwalkertitan]

Well, I went to the drag strip with my Dad and brother today and decided to see what the Titan would do.

Only ran it twice. Had full tank of gas - didn't power brake - massed it. Had some wheel spin which contributed to my poor 60' time.

1/4 mile: 15.5