BigHawaii CAI project

[bighawaii]

bestatchess is still correct in his post. how often do you see a 5000lb drag car? the confusion started since the 1st post was not too clear that they were the exact same vehicle.

[AaronC]

Originally Posted by bighawaii

bestatchess is still correct in his post. how often do you see a 5000lb drag car? the confusion started since the 1st post was not too clear that they were the exact same vehicle.

Please explain...

You'd be surprised at what you see at the dragstrip week in and week out. I raced a Diesel truck that ran 12.5 at 106 (took 4-5 parts to do it) once and have a buddy with a 03 6.0 liter Chevy truck that's a very low 12 sec truck, and another with a chevy (95 I believe) with a 502 in it that runs low/mid 12's as well. I know another that has a 4 Runner that runs 12.6-7. So these are some fast street vehicles, all just as heavy or heavier than a Titan. I know what these things ran stock and what it's taken in power #'s to attain their ET's. These are just a few local examples of 5000 lb + trucks that terrorize a lot of Mustangs and LS1 camaro's on the Blvd every weekend.

It boils down to power to weight ratio. My point is it takes less HP to have a performance gain the slower you are. The faster you go, it becomes exponential in power needed. Which is why I brought up the titan could gain more than what you said it would at the track. That 10 hp = .10 and 1 mph stuff doesn't make for accurate calculations. If I took this equation and plugged it into my own car I'd run mid 4's with 750 more HP than I have now. I'm surely not gonna gain 7.5 seconds with 750 more HP. And a mod might make 10 hp at PEAK, but say 500-700 RPM later it's making 25 more than before (this is and example), you can bet it's gonna gain a lot more than .10 on a Titan.

From how I interpret Bestaches (his reply to my quotes), is he's trying to tell me that a 3000 lb drag car that already runs 10's is gonna see a better gain ET/MPH wise with a 10-15 HP mod than a Titan which weighs 5000 lbs and runs 15.5. There's no way in hell that's going to happen. Look how much more power it takes for a Top Fuel car to run mid 4's (4-5+ thousand more HP) than a Pro Stock car that runs mid to high 7's. And the top fuel car is lighter to boot. Go figure...

[bighawaii]

yes i know about power to weight ratios and the lower your vehicles et the more hp you will need to bring it even lower. bestaschess is not saying your e/t will be affected the same, hes saying that the vehicle that will run 10's will most likely be lighter then the vechicle running 15's, he clearly says this in his statement. how often do you see a 10's sec car that weights 5000lbs? now how often do you see a 15's sec car weighing 5000lbs? see where the confusion lies, your talking about ET times on the same vehicle and hes taking into account the reality that a 10 sec drag vehicle will most likely weight less then a 15 sec vehicle.

[AaronC]

Originally Posted by bighawaii

yes i know about power to weight ratios and the lower your vehicles et the more hp you will need to bring it even lower. bestaschess is not saying your e/t will be affected the same, hes saying that the vehicle that will run 10's will most likely be lighter then the vechicle running 15's, he clearly says this in his statement. how often do you see a 10's sec car that weights 5000lbs? now how often do you see a 15's sec car weighing 5000lbs? see where the confusion lies, your talking about ET times on the same vehicle and hes taking into account the reality that a 10 sec drag vehicle will most likely weight less then a 15 sec vehicle.

Bestaches statement is clearly telling me that the 3000 lb 10 sec drag car is gonna gain more because it weighs less. And said the Titan would gain more if the 10 sec car weighed more than the Titan. I said this is not true. I read my quote and his statement following it. Which is why I don't see what the confusion is. All the other stuff you state here has no relavence to anything. Weight does not matter in these scenarios and had nothing to do with my point to begin with. It all had to do with dropping ET from any vehicle and Horsepowers ability to affect it based it's current performance level. I've stated all the scenarios I can, so typing more isn't gonna help here.

[AaronC]

Originally Posted by bestatchess

"Also that 10-15 hp gain on a truck that runs mid 15's in a 1/4 mile will make a much bigger difference than that same 10-15 hp on a car that runs 10's."

Not true, unless the car weighs more than the Titan. Since the car will likely weigh alot less than the Titan the 10-15 hp will make a bigger difference on the car.

My statement above with it's specifics in regards to performance levels. His reply led to my analogies in my other posts to explain the rest.

[AaronC]

Originally Posted by bighawaii

"Also that 10-15 hp gain on a truck that runs mid 15's in a 1/4 mile will make a much bigger difference than that same 10-15 hp on a car that runs 10's."

bestatchess is right when he said
"Not true, unless the car weighs more than the Titan. Since the car will likely weigh alot less than the Titan the 10-15 hp will make a bigger difference on the car."

15hp will definantly affect a 3000lb drag car more then a 5000lb truck. think about it, your adding the same amount of hp to a vehicle that weighs less.

Now your reply to me. I think you forgot about the performance levels I stated. If both vehicles ran the same ET but one was 3000lbs and one was 5000 lbs then yes the lighter vehicle would gain more, but that's clearly not what I said.

Sorry guys, I suck on computers I don't know how to do all the fancy stuff and keep it in one reply.

[bighawaii]

"Bestaches statement is clearly telling me that the 3000 lb 10 sec drag car is gonna gain more because it weighs less. And said the Titan would gain more if the 10 sec car weighed more than the Titan. I said this is not true. I read my quote and his statement following it. Which is why I don't see what the confusion is."

yep its not gonna help, your still missing the point.

"Bestaches statement is clearly telling me that the 3000 lb 10 sec drag car is gonna gain more because it weighs less."
so adding the same 15hp to a 3000lb car will not produce more gains then the same 15hp to a car that weight 5000lb. hmm, then why do lighter cars need less hp to achieve the same power/weight ratio?

"And said the Titan would gain more if the 10 sec car weighed more than the Titan. I said this is not true"

so the titan wouldnt gain more power to weight ratio wise then the heavier vehicle? so your saying a 10000lb(random heavier wieght) 10 sec car would benefit more from the 15hp then the 5000lb titan? not correct in my books.

[bighawaii]

Originally Posted by AaronC

Now your reply to me. I think you forgot about the performance levels I stated. If both vehicles ran the same ET but one was 3000lbs and one was 5000 lbs then yes the lighter vehicle would gain more, but that's clearly not what I said.

Sorry guys, I suck on computers I don't know how to do all the fancy stuff and keep it in one reply.

actually my post was before you said that but you got the gen idea. i had to reread the many posts again lol just wanted to show you the point that bestatchess was making. your both correct from the diff. points your coming from.

[AaronC]

Originally Posted by bighawaii

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so the titan wouldnt gain more power to weight ratio wise then the heavier vehicle? so your saying a 10000lb(random heavier wieght) 10 sec car would benefit more from the 15hp then the 5000lb titan? not correct in my books.

You need to RE READ what I said. You mis quoted me. I did not say this. I was translating what Bestaches said. I didn't mis understand anything. There's no confusion on my part. I got his literal translation when he quoted me. You keep putting these bogus translations in my ear

[kmfernandez]

Originally Posted by bighawaii

actually my post was before you said that but you got the gen idea. i had to reread the many posts again lol just wanted to show you the point that bestatchess was making. your both correct from the diff. points your coming from.

I think you guys are arguing but really dont disagree, if that makes any sense! If aaron had been consistent with TRUCK here "Also that 10-15 hp gain on a TRUCK that runs mid 15's in a 1/4 mile will make a much bigger difference than that same 10-15 hp on a TRUCK that runs 10's." all this wouldn't be here. Way back betsatchess got too literal and took aarons post out of context - thats all.

[AaronC]

Originally Posted by kmfernandez

I think you guys are arguing but really dont disagree, if that makes any sense! If aaron had been consistent with TRUCK here "Also that 10-15 hp gain on a TRUCK that runs mid 15's in a 1/4 mile will make a much bigger difference than that same 10-15 hp on a TRUCK that runs 10's." all this wouldn't be here. Way back betsatchess got too literal and took aarons post out of context - thats all.

Good point! But there's still nothing wrong with my statement or your corrected version of it. My statement was all about the faster you go the more it takes, the slower you are the less it takes. I believe Bestaches was saying a 3000 lb vehicle will gain more than a 5000 lb vehicle given the same power gain. This is certainly true if they have the same performance level to start with. Adding 15 HP to a Honda Civic running 15's (at 2800lbs) WILL gain more than a Titan gaining the same 15 hp. If that Civic runs 10's currently (which is what I said originally with a make believe car) all bets are off and the Titan will gain more in ET and MPH. This is stricltly based on it's current state of performance. This is what I believe the conflict to be, but it's hard to communicate on a computer sometimes.

[37L1]

So BigHawaii:

How's your CAI Project going?

37L1

[bighawaii]

Originally Posted by AaronC

Good point! But there's still nothing wrong with my statement or your corrected version of it. My statement was all about the faster you go the more it takes, the slower you are the less it takes. I believe Bestaches was saying a 3000 lb vehicle will gain more than a 5000 lb vehicle given the same power gain. This is certainly true if they have the same performance level to start with. Adding 15 HP to a Honda Civic running 15's (at 2800lbs) WILL gain more than a Titan gaining the same 15 hp. If that Civic runs 10's currently (which is what I said originally with a make believe car) all bets are off and the Titan will gain more in ET and MPH. This is stricltly based on it's current state of performance. This is what I believe the conflict to be, but it's hard to communicate on a computer sometimes.

heres a very extreeme way to put it so its much easier to see. it doesnt matter if they both run 15's. any online 1/4 mile calc will yeild very similar results. ill explain it using your et's and a lighter vehicle running 10's. a motorcycle weighting 500lbs only needs 99hp to do a 10 sec run. if you add 15hp to each your 500 bike totaling 114hp it will run a 9.53, thats .47 off your et. a truck weighting 5000lbs needs 293hp to do a 15sec run.now add 15hp to your 5000lb titan totaling 308hp, it will run a 14.75(5) and thats only .245 off your et. you do not gain as much with the titan. now if the drag car weighted much closer to the titan then you are correct.
heres bestatchess's 1st post ''Not true, unless the car weighs more than the Titan. Since the car will likely weigh alot less than the Titan the 10-15 hp will make a bigger difference on the car.''
hence the words "weigh alot less".

[bighawaii]

Originally Posted by 37L1

So BigHawaii:

How's your CAI Project going?

37L1

still waiting for the filter it was a special order size and just shipped a few days ago, hopefully they sent if priority mail so ill get in soon. ill keep everyone posted as i get it and its accesories.

[AaronC]

Originally Posted by bighawaii

heres a very extreeme way to put it so its much easier to see. it doesnt matter if they both run 15's. any online 1/4 mile calc will yeild very similar results. ill explain it using your et's and a lighter vehicle running 10's. a motorcycle weighting 500lbs only needs 99hp to do a 10 sec run. if you add 15hp to each your 500 bike totaling 114hp it will run a 9.53, thats .47 off your et. a truck weighting 5000lbs needs 293hp to do a 15sec run.now add 15hp to your 5000lb titan totaling 308hp, it will run a 14.75(5) and thats only .245 off your et. you do not gain as much with the titan. now if the drag car weighted much closer to the titan then you are correct.
heres bestatchess's 1st post ''Not true, unless the car weighs more than the Titan. Since the car will likely weigh alot less than the Titan the 10-15 hp will make a bigger difference on the car.''
hence the words "weigh alot less".

I cross checked your #'s and you are correct with those calculations. However you plug in a Titan's #'s and the #'s from my own car and you get the opposite.

Example. Titan at 5000 lbs and with 305 hp and projected ET is 14.80.
Add 15 hp now. Same 5000 lbs and 320 hp and projected ET is 14.56. Gain is .24 second.

Take my car now. 3400 lbs 390 HP projected ET is 11.99
Add 15 hp now. Same 3400 lbs with 405 HP and projected ET is 11.84. Gain of .15 second.

As you can see, my car is lighter in this example and runs faster and it gains less from the 15 hp.

I just ran #'s for a car that's 3000 lbs with 448 HP. Projected ET is is 10.98.
Add 15 hp for 463 HP and it's projected ET is 10.86.
Gain of .12 second. So by the #'s here, it shows the Titan will gain twice as much as the 10.98 sec 3000 lb car. If the car is deeper in the 10's (10.0-1 range) the Titan would project to gain even more (.16 second differece from the same power gain to each)