Royal Purple good for 9 rear wheel horse power (Horsepower TV Video)

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by Titan_TX

It out performs the others in normal life expectancy? Sorry but if you believe a dyno, you would believe the tornado device actually gains HP. LOL

At this current time, Amsoil and Redline are the market leaders in oil. At 6k of miles, they show less wear than RP would show or any other oil.

Lab testing is the REAL TRUTH. Unless all you care about is your HP, not how your engine wears and lasts overtime.

No you didn't bring a tornado into this. The top engine builders in the world didn't use a tornado or Amsoil to win the compettition they used RP.

http://www.royalpurple.com/engmasters/emc04.html

I use RP with good results, increased power, cooler running engine and better gas milage.



Independent tests clearly document the power, protection and performance of Royal Purple® Motor Oil.

400%
Greater Film Strength - Reduces Wear1

300 - 500%
Greater Oxidation Stability - Increases Oil Life2

1.5 - 3.0%
Increase in Engine Horsepower and Torque

3 - 5%
Saves Fuel over Other “Energy Conserving” Oils

> 20%
Reduces Harmful Exhaust Emissions

Up to 12%
Reduces Engine Heat



Summary of Tests -- Some data fields are blank because the data field was not a part of the original test criteria.

Data Source: “Drop Dead Center TV” - August 2004

Description of Test: Replaced existing conventional motorcycle oil with Royal Purple's Max-Cycle® in a brand new Rev-Tech engine. Temperatures continuously monitored using a thermal imaging camera.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
An average temperature Reduction at Idle of 11° F

Greater temperature reductions were expected at higher rpm's.


Data Source: Performance Auto & Sound Magazine - January 2004


Description of Test: Replaced existing engine oil and transmission fluid with Royal Purple's 5W30 Motor Oil and Royal Purple's Max-Gear® 75W90 transmission lubricant in a 1999 Nissan Maxima.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
Horsepower
3.0%
Torqu



Data Source: Longview Inspection - January 2004

Description of Test: Replaced existing OEM motorcycle oil with Royal Purple's Max-Cycle® 20W50 in a 2003 Harley Davidson Soft-Tail Standard with a Twin Cam 88 engine to determine if switching to Royal Purple® would reduce operating temperatures. Temperatures continuously monitored with a FLIR Model 550 Radiometer during testing.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
Temperature Reduction
24° F - 44° F


Data Source: D & D Performance Enterprises - December 2003


Description of Test: Replaced existing synthetic motorcycle oil with Royal Purple's Max-Cycle® 20W50 in a 2004 Harley Davidson 1200XL (Sportster Roadster) on a Super Flow Cycle Dyne Eddy Current Load Dyno.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
Horsepower
1.2%
Torque
1.3%



Data Source: Tuner Performance Reports Magazine - Issue 003, Fall 2003

Description of Test: Replaced existing stock motor oil with Royal Purple's high performance motor oil in a 2002 Honda Accord and tested on full chasses dynamometer.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
Horsepower
1.8%
Torque
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Data Source: Drag Sport Magazine - April 2003

Description of Test: Replaced existing 20W50 engine oil with Royal Purple's 10W30 Motor Oil in a 1994 SR20DET Turbo 2.0L engine from Japan fitted in a 1989 240 SX and tested on full chassis dynamometer.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
Horsepower
3.2%
Torque
1.5%



Data Source: “Hot Rod TV” - December 2002

Description of Test: Replaced existing mineral oil to Royal Purple's Racing 21 motor oil (viscosity similar to 5W30) and Max-Gear® 75W90 in a 1962 Ford Galaxy.

Engine Type
Fuel Savings

Gasoline
City
23.4%
Highway
28.8%



Data Source: “Hot Rod TV” - May 2002 / Hot Rod Magazine - August 2002

Description of Test: Replaced existing 20W50 engine oil, GM Dexron III® ATF fluid, and 75W90 differential fluids with Royal Purple's 20W50 Motor Oil, Max ATF® and Max-Gear® 75W90 in a 400 HP ’65 Mercury Comet and tested on full chassis dynamometer.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
Horsepower
2.5%
Torque
1.5%



Data Source: North Carolina State University - July 2002

Description of Test: Brand Name “energy conserving” 10W30 motor oil vs. Royal Purple® 5W30 in 25 vehicle fleet test (North Carolina Highway Patrol).

Engine Type
Fuel Savings
Emissions Reductions
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
2.5%




Data Source: North Carolina State University - July 2002

Description of Test: CLR Research Engine Test (15W40 motor oils).


Engine Type
Fuel
Savings
Emissions Reductions3

Royal Purple® vs.
Brand Name mineral oil
Diesel
Soot
NO2
CO


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3.68%
@1200 RPM
11.75%
8.5%
17.7%

2.48%
@1600 RPM
17.58%
-6%
21.0%


Royal Purple® vs.
Premium synthetic oil
Diesel
3.37%
@1200 RPM
4.3%
7.2%
28.15%

1.48%
@1600 RPM
3.0%
same
33.87%



Data Source: North Carolina State University - July 2002

Description of Test: CLR Research Engine Test (5W30 “energy conserving” motor oils).


Engine Type
Fuel Savings
Emissions Reductions3

Royal Purple® vs.
Brand Name mineral oil
Gasoline
4.5%
@1200 RPM

5.0%
@1600 RPM
NO2 was over 50% lower @1200 RPM where complete combustion occurred.
CO levels with Royal Purple© were low at all loads. Royal Purple© tended to prevent incomplete combustion.

Royal Purple® vs.
Premium synthetic oil
Gasoline
2.5%
@1200 RPM

3.0%
@1600 RPM


Data Source: North Carolina State University - July 2002

Description of Test: EPA 75 (city) and HWFET (Highway Fuel Economy Test) tests comparing a Brand Name 10W30 “energy conserving” motor oil to Royal Purple® 5W30 motor oil.

Engine Type
Emissions Reductions3

Gasoline
CO
HC
NO2


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EPA 75
29%
EPA 75
16%
EPA 75
1%

HWFET
62%
HWFET
19%
HWFET
-23%



Data Source: “Horsepower TV” - May 2002

Description of Test: Replaced existing 5W30 synthetic engine oil, GM Dexron III® ATF mineral oil and 75W90 synthetic differential fluid with Royal Purple's 5W30 Motor Oil, Synchromax® manual transmission fluid and Max-Gear® 75W90 in a 2000 Camaro SS and tested on full chassis dynamometer.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
Horsepower
2.9%
Torque
—



Data Source: Hot Rod Magazine - March 2002

Description of Test: Replaced existing mineral oil in new GM 383 V-8 Motor.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
Horsepower
1.7%
Torque
2.0%



Data Source: Oklahoma State University - 2001

Description of Test: Brand Name 15W40 engine oil vs. Royal Purple® 15W40 on full chassis HD truck dynamometer4.

Engine Type
Fuel Savings
Emissions Reductions
Performance Improvement

Diesel
4.4%
Smoke Opacity (SNAP Test)
22%
Horsepower
2.8%


1
Film Strength based on comparison of leading 5W30 vs. Royal Purple® 5W30 Motor Oil in Falex No. 1 "high pressure" test. (Scar widths mm. Leading 5W30 motor oil: 5.9 mm - scored; Royal Purple® 5W30 Motor Oil: 1.4 mm - polished.)

2
Oxidation life based on U.S. Bureau of Standards TFOUT oxidation test (leading synthetic 5W30 oil - 409 minutes; leading 5W30 mineral oil - 246 minutes; Royal Purple® 5W30 - 1300 minutes.)

3
Terminology:
CO = Carbon Monoxide (a poisonous gas);
HC = Hydrocarbons (unburned fuel - normally occurs when fuel to oxygen mixture is too rich);
NO2 = Nitrous Oxide (cited as a contributor to smog, ozone, acid rain and regional haze and is exacerbated by the elevated combustion temperatures of “lean burn” engines where more oxygen exists than is needed to completely burn the fuel);
HP = Horsepower;
CO and NO2 are typically on polar opposites. When one increases, the other decreases.

[Titan_TX]

Glad that you like RP, but I rather have superior protection over 6k intervals, and Amsoil is what I use. Amsoil is still better than RP in that area.

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by Titan_TX

Glad that you like RP, but I rather have superior protection over 6k intervals, and Amsoil is what I use. Amsoil is still better than RP in that area.

For long term usage Amsoil is prob better though short term RP works for me.

On a different note I think it's cool to be having this heated discussion on oil over here and another cooler if you will discussion over here

http://www.clubtitan.org/posts52-30.html

[Armada]

How about this as a way to resolve the dispute? Do a dyno test on RP, drain it and then dyno with another really good, respected synthetic that is not doing a lot of hyping, say Mobil 1 - same viscosity. My hypothesis is that pure synthetics will produce a little more horses due to lower friction. I am inclined to believe that Mobil 1 and RP come out just about the same, and that the gain is due to synth replacing dino.

[markislive78]

We guys i'm really glad for this forum. Nobody is the master of all. Good that we bouce around diff info

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by Armada

How about this as a way to resolve the dispute? Do a dyno test on RP, drain it and then dyno with another really good, respected synthetic that is not doing a lot of hyping, say Mobil 1 - same viscosity. My hypothesis is that pure synthetics will produce a little more horses due to lower friction. I am inclined to believe that Mobil 1 and RP come out just about the same, and that the gain is due to synth replacing dino.

Armada,

Thanks for the idea. Since your bringing that up I thought I would note that when HP TV did their dyno-oil test on that SS the SS already had 5W-30 synthethic in the engine before they drained it and replaced with the RP.

The differential allready had 75W90 synthetic differential fluid in it before as well.

Happy Holidays

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by markislive78

We guys i'm really glad for this forum. Nobody is the master of all. Good that we bouce around diff info

Here Here

[SUBTITAN]

Originally Posted by Titan_TX

The only test we ran on RP involved their 20W50 Racing oil versus our AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 20W50 Racing Oil (TRO).

I am sure that RP is a sponsor of HP TV and what you hear on this show about RP and other products should be taken as an advertisement. As others have pointed out if you change all old fluids from dino to syn your going to see some gains. As for this fact it is also bias due to being an AMSOIL test.

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by SUBTITAN

I am sure that RP is a sponsor of HP TV and what you hear on this show about RP and other products should be taken as an advertisement. As others have pointed out if you change all old fluids from dino to syn your going to see some gains. As for this fact it is also bias due to being an AMSOIL test.

I agree that changing from dino to synthetic can and will yield gains however since that point was brought up I thought I would point out that wasn't the case in the HP TV dyno test.

They drained out 5W-30 SYNTHETIC oil from the engine and 75W-90 SYNTHETIC from the diff and replaced with RP and still showed pretty significant improvement.

Data Source: “Horsepower TV” - May 2002

Description of Test: Replaced existing 5W30 synthetic engine oil, GM Dexron III® ATF mineral oil and 75W90 synthetic differential fluid with Royal Purple's 5W30 Motor Oil, Synchromax® manual transmission fluid and Max-Gear® 75W90 in a 2000 Camaro SS and tested on full chassis dynamometer.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
Horsepower
2.9%
Torque
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[Bob]

Originally Posted by Titan_TX

Finnatic, I suppose you don't get paid by RP do you? You seem to be pushing them so hard like you do, when there are so many other tests out there that prove RP is not that great as the other oils I mentioned.

FYI Titan_TX just happens to be an Amsoil dealer...
2004 Titan Amsoil Series 3000 5w-30 Oil Report

Originally Posted by Titan_TX
Most of the oil is around $5 a quart from my site. Since I am a dealer and give people wholesale prices. It comes directly from Amsoil. I am just the middle guy and the site does it for me. See sig.

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by Bob

FYI Titan_TX just happens to be an Amsoil dealer...
2004 Titan Amsoil Series 3000 5w-30 Oil Report

That was like discussing (debating) Vipers at the Corvette place.

Originally Posted by swarren1

The one good thing about a sig with Amsoil, etc. is that other members can see that there may be a potential bias to that persons posts.

No, I'm not a Royal Purple dealer but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

[falchulk]

Finnattic, your bhp an btq are way off. Even 20 year old drivelines and auto transmisions dont eat over 20% of the power.

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by falchulk

Finnattic, your bhp an btq are way off. Even 20 year old drivelines and auto transmisions dont eat over 20% of the power.

I strongly disagree and it seems others would too, 25% should be consistent in my application. It's quite possible it could even be more but to be fair we'll say 25%. It is a Four Wheel Drive with big azz rims and tires compared to a car not to mention the big drive shaft, transmission, transfer case, and two differentials.

Horsepower loss through drive train is a constant percentage based on the type of transmission you have. A manual transmission loses around 15%-17% of engine horsepower and an automatic transmission loses between 20%-25%.

Horsepower loss through a given transmission is consistent. A typical manual transmission takes around 35 horsepower where an Automatic takes around 50.

Ya might want to do some research next time before you make a challange.

http://www.superstang.com/horsepower.htm

Here is an example of a car with 22% loss just for using winter tires.

http://www.diateam.no/porsche/dyno.htm

Originally Posted by RockyMtnTitan

Keep in mind that driveline loss is more for 4X4 than 4X2. Beltronics FX2 literature recommends using 25% driveline loss for 4X4 w/ AT, and 20% loss for 4X2 w/ AT. Not sure what the losses for each drive train type are for our Titans, but just wanted to point out the fact that the difference in these groups 1 & 2 numbers could be drive train types. Not sure who's got what, but just a thought.

Originally Posted by Mike Up

Seems like there are some discrempancies in STOCK measurements.

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Group 1

titan929rr 256.43 Hp & 289.99 ft/lbs Torque

JetTech 256 Hp & 301 ft/lbs Torque
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Group 2

Steve04SE 273 Hp & 339 ft/lbs Torque

lizardking 273 Hp & 336 ft/lbs Torque

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Some pretty huge differences between group 1 and 2 on dyno findings.

With a 20% driveline loss group 1 would have an average flywheel power of 320 Hp & 369 ft/lbs of Torque

Group 2s flywheel power average is 341 Hp & 422 ft/lbs Torque

I believe group 1's findings are more accurate as group 2's findings in stock form are higher than many people's "mods" findings.

So I'm thinking driveline loss is really about 25%. Based on group 1's flywheel averaged power, that would be 341 Hp (similar to Hemi's rating) and 394 ft/lbs of Torque. I'm betting this is really our truck's "true" ratings compared to Nissan's under rated specs.

Group 2's flywheel power averaged base on 25% driveline loss would be 364 Hp and 450 ft/lbs of torque.

Have a good one.

Originally Posted by Mike Up

I believe the above is correct as the Hemi is rated at 345 Hp and 375 ft/lbs of torque. A performance modification site has the Hemi dynoed almost the same as Group 1's findings. The Hemi dynoed at 261 Hp & 288 ft/lbs Torque. See here.

I truly now believe are 'true' ratings are 341 Hp & 394 ft/lbs Torque and there is a 25% driveline loss.

Thanks guys for the good information on the compilation.

Have a good one.

[falchulk]

Todays manuals are actually right about 12% and auto's are 15% tops. I will give you the 4wd increase but its not that much.

[falchulk]

Here is another quesion that will blow your mind, what type of dyno do they use? Is i Mustang or Dynojet. I have had more then my share of "high performance" cars and thats 18% for muscle cars made in the 60's and 70's, not the late 90's thru today.

By the way, your numbers on the dyno look just like they should. Unless you think the motor is underrated from the factory (highly unlikely as they want all the bragging rights they can get against Ford) then you gained almost 15% from an intake and duals. Thats a hell of alot for just thse 2 bolt ons. Thats even in the high range for headers+ duals!