Royal Purple good for 9 rear wheel horse power (Horsepower TV Video)

[lowlypawn]

Take any car with old dirty regular motor oil. Change all the oils to any full synthetic and I would bet they all give virtually the same results. In face I would bet even using new dinosaur oil would provide some gains.

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by lowlypawn

Take any car with old dirty regular motor oil. Change all the oils to any full synthetic and I would bet they all give virtually the same results. In face I would bet even using new dinosaur oil would provide some gains.

This is the third time I've posted this reply,Please READ the post in this thread before you reply with the same point over and over and over. They didn't change from regular to synthetic, they changed from SYNTHETIC to RP SYNTHETIC.






I agree that changing from dino to synthetic can and will yield gains however since that point was brought up I thought I would point out that wasn't the case in the HP TV dyno test.

They drained out 5W-30 SYNTHETIC oil from the engine and 75W-90 SYNTHETIC from the diff and replaced with RP and still showed pretty significant improvement.

Data Source: “Horsepower TV” - May 2002

Description of Test: Replaced existing 5W30 synthetic engine oil, GM Dexron III® ATF mineral oil and 75W90 synthetic differential fluid with Royal Purple's 5W30 Motor Oil, Synchromax® manual transmission fluid and Max-Gear® 75W90 in a 2000 Camaro SS and tested on full chassis dynamometer.

Engine Type
Performance Improvement

Gasoline
Horsepower
2.9%
Torque

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by falchulk

Here is another quesion that will blow your mind, what type of dyno do they use? Is i Mustang or Dynojet. I have had more then my share of "high performance" cars and thats 18% for muscle cars made in the 60's and 70's, not the late 90's thru today.

By the way, your numbers on the dyno look just like they should. Unless you think the motor is underrated from the factory (highly unlikely as they want all the bragging rights they can get against Ford) then you gained almost 15% from an intake and duals. Thats a hell of alot for just thse 2 bolt ons. Thats even in the high range for headers+ duals!

falchulk'


The Dyno I ran on is a DynoJet 224 X that was just installed 4 months ago...Rated up to 1000HP and cost $40,000 installed...

I know Mustang Dyno's are less consistent due to having to "dial" them in for the vehicle being tested and are notorious for their inaccuracies. I believe pretty much everyone has used a DynoJet here...

I really think the Endurance is underated from the factory. Case in point, me. I believe the head stated he was 330 bhp stock. Unfortunitly I didn't dyno stock. Only after the first mod (Gibson) and then the Volant and you can see the SAE results are BIG. Volant added something like 14 rwhp and 40 rwtq. I'm sure I wouldn't have achieved this without the Gibson Extremes.

Others have agreed that this thing is underated and has been shown in some dyno's.

Back to drive line loss. Show me something that says otherwise on the 25% loss for this application...4x4 big tires...I still say 25% and so do others...

[Titan_TX]

Actually, my Audi Quattro had 18-22% drivetrain loss. I couldn't disable the AWD feature so yes it had more drivetrain loss. The Titan has less because you can turn off your FWD part and the driveshafts are not loading down the engine anymore. So the Titan has around 18% drivetrain loss, not above 20% like you think.

Don't come on here and start saying finanntic that he needs to show proof when you haven't yourself.

[Titan_TX]

A few things I want to point out after watching the video of HP TV with the Royal Purple on the LS1.

1) They did not mention the camaro having a synthetic in it from the start. No where was it mentioned. Any synthetic especially Amsoil, Redline will improve HP. You can use redline water wetter as well for the radiator and gain more power.

2) The oil that came out of the camaro was pitch black. Most synthetics come out a light brown after a short use, dino oil will come out black. So it probably has been in there longer than it should.

3) There is no mentioning of COOL DOWN TIMES, or anything else. The camaro could have been hot when the first run was done, then COLD on the 2nd one. That will gain 10 hp on that LS1. I use to OWN one, and it was best to dyno it cold.

Truthfully, the 9 hp is marketing and I don't believe it. I believe its a engine temperature thing. Because my LS1 99 TA dynoed on a hot 100 degree day right after I drove there about 8-12 hp less than it did after I let it sit for 2 hrs.

Also one other thing after doing more research. Royal Purple might create a little extra hp, and the only reason it does this is because its REALLY THIN. And after researching it this is why RP has a bad rep for not lasting long in cars that do normal 3k oil changes. It's not the recommended one.

[Titan_TX]

Originally Posted by Finnattic

Whats up Flamer,

I suppose you can't read either. I posted evidence...shut your hole and show me some evidence. You gotta attitude, I give you a fu#$!#@ attitude. Go WHINE somewhere else.. .It's not just my opinion AZZ. I don't need your opinion, SHOW ME SOME GENERAL EVIDENCE AND I"LL ADMIT I WAS WRONG LIKE A MAN. Don't come on here acting like a little B!$CH

Evidence? Ask any dyno operator who has owned one for years. Like Mike Morillo (drives the worlds fastest Mustang).. I use to work with him using his Dyno, and we discussed and did many things. Trust me, I know more than you do about dynos and what loss there is.

Btw, you need to grow up instead of attacking other members here. That is against the rules.

[Titan_TX]

Originally Posted by Finnattic

OK Mr. ASSOIL,

AGAIN you can't read...foot in ya mouth again

Data Source: “Horsepower TV” - May 2002

Description of Test: Replaced existing 5W30 [SIZE=7]synthetic [/SIZE]engine oil, GM Dexron III® ATF mineral oil and 75W90 [SIZE=7]synthetic [/SIZE]differential fluid with Royal Purple's 5W30 Motor Oil, Synchromax® manual transmission fluid and Max-Gear® 75W90 in a 2000 Camaro SS and tested on full chassis dynamometer.

I haev never seen a synthetic get that dark or black looking should I say. Any why did they not mention it on the TV show? they should have, it would have been a plus for them. I seriously doubt it was a synthetic. And someone typed in synthetic on the page to make you believe it.

Once again, you still haevn't proved much. Because I can find a similar test with RP that had a camaro, and they said it was dino oil, which is weird because it looks like its the same camaro. ODD.

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by Titan_TX

Evidence? Ask any dyno operator who has owned one for years. Like Mike Marillo (drives the worlds fastest Mustang).. I use to work with him using his Dyno, and we discussed and did many things. Trust me, I know more than you do about dynos and what loss there is.

Btw, you need to grow up instead of attacking other members here. That is against the rules.

I haven't attacked anyone except you for your little bi!$@ attitude. You don't want to act like an adult and act allpissy that's what you get. I can dance that dance if need be.

[Titan_TX]

Originally Posted by Finnattic

I haven't attacked anyone except you for your little bi!$@ attitude. You don't want to act like an adult and act allpissy that's what you get. I can dance that dance if need be.

I am not going to continue this childish arguement. I have never attacked you. I started some facts and pointed them out. You on the other hand are going off the end and mouthing off I should say.

You attacked other people to in other posts you have done. Seems to me others are getting sick of you.

I am the one acting like a adult, unlike you. You don't see me acting chilidish.

EOD.

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by Titan_TX

I haev never seen a synthetic get that dark or black looking should I say. Any why did they not mention it on the TV show? they should have, it would have been a plus for them. I seriously doubt it was a synthetic. And someone typed in synthetic on the page to make you believe it.

Once again, you still haevn't proved much. Because I can find a similar test with RP that had a camaro, and they said it was dino oil, which is weird because it looks like its the same camaro. ODD.

I suppose their lying then. Post it, show me some evidence and not your BIASED opinion and I'll stand corrected like a man...

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by Titan_TX

Don't come on here and start saying finanntic that he needs to show proof when you haven't yourself.

I consider THIS an uncalled for statement that this is close to an attack as it gets without outright calling someone negative things. I showed my evidence. You crossed the line with this statement as far as I'm concerned and that's when I attacked back.

[ekool]

There is no need to use personal attacks, or bad language... please take a more calm and sane approach.

Also, this thread has prompted me to take away the font privilege....

[Titan_TX]

Originally Posted by Finnattic

I consider THIS an uncalled for statement that this is close to an attack as it gets without outright calling someone negative things. I showed my evidence. You crossed the line with this statement as far as I'm concerned and that's when I attacked back.

Correction, you attack another member in this topic, and thats when I replied with that line. You started the attacking other members defending him came back.

I see how you try to toss the blame, when you still started it.

Like I said, you just can't give up. Bye bye, have fun talking to yourself.

[the head]

Oh yeah!

My dad can beat up your dad!

[Finnattic]

Originally Posted by Titan_TX

Correction, you attack another member in this topic, and thats when I replied with that line. You started the attacking other members defending him came back.

I see how you try to toss the blame, when you still started it.

Like I said, you just can't give up. Bye bye, have fun talking to yourself.

The only possible "attacks" that I could find are in blue. I admit I was a little frustrated at the failure to see my point of the facts of the test in question as the same point was brought up over and over though far from an attack..."This is the third time I've posted this reply,Please READ the post in this thread before you reply with the same point over and over and over. They didn't change from regular to synthetic, they changed from SYNTHETIC to RP SYNTHETIC."

You know your wrong because you can't back your opinion up and want to use the excuse that I'm talking to my self than that's fine. It does no good talking to you. You look over fact and evidence so you are a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

OK, show me your opinion of your version of my attack. It's a discussion and not attacking. I'm talking to you, not myself. That's fine if others have something to add. It's called debating, not attacking. You can't drop it either. Why are you antagonizing me? If I was as bad as you say I was attacking everyone why haven't I heard a word out of the moderators. That's what there here for. I heard nothing because I haven't crossed the line until you and I apologized for it. It won't happen again. I'll let the law handle it.

I back my claims and will continue to do so. Hear are some examples that you so conveniently looked over of our "discussion about drive train loss"...BTW I have consulted with dyno operators...for a 4wd with big tires 25% for the 100th time

Originally Posted by Titan_TX

Don't come on here and start saying finanntic that he needs to show proof when you haven't yourself.

Here is the evidence that was shown before you made this asinine antagonistic statement showing clearly who started this fiasco and who was wrong and out of line...


Horsepower loss through drive train is a constant percentage based on the type of transmission you have. A manual transmission loses around 15%-17% of engine horsepower and an automatic transmission loses between 20%-25%.

Horsepower loss through a given transmission is consistent. A typical manual transmission takes around 35 horsepower where an Automatic takes around 50.

Ya might want to do some research next time before you make a challenge. "Is this one of the "attacks" your talking about?"

http://www.superstang.com/horsepower.htm

Here is an example of a car with 22% loss just for using winter tires.

http://www.diateam.no/porsche/dyno.htm

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyMtnTitan




Keep in mind that driveline loss is more for 4X4 than 4X2. Beltronics FX2 literature recommends using 25% driveline loss for 4X4 w/ AT, and 20% loss for 4X2 w/ AT. Not sure what the losses for each drive train type are for our Titans, but just wanted to point out the fact that the difference in these groups 1 & 2 numbers could be drive train types. Not sure who's got what, but just a thought.





Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Up




Seems like there are some discrempancies in STOCK measurements.

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Group 1

titan929rr 256.43 Hp & 289.99 ft/lbs Torque

JetTech 256 Hp & 301 ft/lbs Torque
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Group 2

Steve04SE 273 Hp & 339 ft/lbs Torque

lizardking 273 Hp & 336 ft/lbs Torque

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Some pretty huge differences between group 1 and 2 on dyno findings.

With a 20% driveline loss group 1 would have an average flywheel power of 320 Hp & 369 ft/lbs of Torque

Group 2s flywheel power average is 341 Hp & 422 ft/lbs Torque

I believe group 1's findings are more accurate as group 2's findings in stock form are higher than many people's "mods" findings.

So I'm thinking driveline loss is really about 25%. Based on group 1's flywheel averaged power, that would be 341 Hp (similar to Hemi's rating) and 394 ft/lbs of Torque. I'm betting this is really our truck's "true" ratings compared to Nissan's under rated specs.

Group 2's flywheel power averaged base on 25% driveline loss would be 364 Hp and 450 ft/lbs of torque.

Have a good one.





Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Up




I believe the above is correct as the Hemi is rated at 345 Hp and 375 ft/lbs of torque. A performance modification site has the Hemi dynoed almost the same as Group 1's findings. The Hemi dynoed at 261 Hp & 288 ft/lbs Torque. See here.

I truly now believe are 'true' ratings are 341 Hp & 394 ft/lbs Torque and there is a 25% driveline loss.

Thanks guys for the good information on the compilation.

Have a good one.