Stillen Supercharger Dyno Graphs! - Page 4

grunge311 · 10-05-2005, 01:43 PM

Do they have a chart for MPG comparisons?

vindication · 10-05-2005, 03:48 PM

how bout offering this kit without warranty or CARB certification? then you could drop the price down about $1.5k to where it should be. nice numbers but too expensive. damn Steallin

bestatchess · 10-05-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GumboMuderz

Don't forget to include a new stand alone engine management system(couple gran), harness(few hundred), mounts (few hundred), trans (few hundred), modified driveline(few hundred), custom exhaust(couple hundred), install time (few weeks).
Many people don't realise the extensive cost of just "dropping in" a different motor and making it work.
Don't forget, no more warranty and Carb or state inspection is out.

Wow, If I had known how complicated and expensive it was, I probably wouldn't have been able to put a 4 speed Muncie, Warn overdrive, shortened drive shaft, and Chevrolet small block crate motor with headers in a 1972 Landcruiser in 2 weekends.

mopar · 10-05-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bestatchess

Wow, If I had known how complicated and expensive it was, I probably wouldn't have been able to put a 4 speed Muncie, Warn overdrive, shortened drive shaft, and Chevrolet small block crate motor with headers in a 1972 Landcruiser in 2 weekends.

Welcome to the modern age with smog requirements and computer used for inspection (for most of us at least). Plus not everyone could do it themselves so paying for such a changeover does get expensive I haven't seen one of those fuel injected muscle car conversion go cheap or easy and all you doing is adding with the titan your trying tointegrate with all the other computer controlle thingys(tech term). SO if you could throw a crate motor in cheap go for it I'd love to see and would be impressed but then again you could have just as well have done that to a chevy, ford or dodge defeating the point of my buying the nissan strong powerful engine with longterm reliability alot different than a project land cruiser
Don't take offense to that as I don't want to dis your abilities or ideas .

**chunko** · 10-05-2005, 09:21 PM

Yeah, crate motors work great for old unreliable POS rides that can be completely turned around with a new drive train.... I sure as hell wouldn't want a crate motor in my Titan...for many reasons...so I'd give this that 72 land cruiser the ol' apples to oranges comparison award.

OCtitan99 · 10-05-2005, 09:42 PM

Here is my question, I've been keeping track of all of the discussions about the superchargers for quite sometime and just had a quick question? It sounds to me like we are looking for something that will beat a Ford Lightning a Chevy SS and a Hemi....yet you don't want to pay for it? After doing some research I noticed that a SINGLE cab, SHORT bed ford Lightning in 1999 was 31 thousand dollars...and your average EXT. cab REG. bed Chevy SS is around 40-45 thousand dollars...so taking into account that my 05, SE CREW CAB was only 31 thousand I can spend 6 grand on a supercharger? another 600 on an exhaust? and 250 on an intake? and still be saving myself a little over 7K and seat more people and be able to USE my truck and still be safe with my warranty and street legal (comparing to the SS)??? and the lightning is a SINGLE cab....me and my ONE friend could have fun...or my CREW CAB...me and my 5 friends can have even more fun...I don't see where the problem is? I think we should all take a step back and start comparing things equally...Not trying to offend anyone...Just trying to bring in my opinion...

92TripleBlack · 10-05-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OCtitan99

Here is my question, I've been keeping track of all of the discussions about the superchargers for quite sometime and just had a quick question? It sounds to me like we are looking for something that will beat a Ford Lightning a Chevy SS and a Hemi....yet you don't want to pay for it? After doing some research I noticed that a SINGLE cab, SHORT bed ford Lightning in 1999 was 31 thousand dollars...and your average EXT. cab REG. bed Chevy SS is around 40-45 thousand dollars...so taking into account that my 05, SE CREW CAB was only 31 thousand I can spend 6 grand on a supercharger? another 600 on an exhaust? and 250 on an intake? and still be saving myself a little over 7K and seat more people and be able to USE my truck and still be safe with my warranty and street legal (comparing to the SS)??? and the lightning is a SINGLE cab....me and my ONE friend could have fun...or my CREW CAB...me and my 5 friends can have even more fun...I don't see where the problem is? I think we should all take a step back and start comparing things equally...Not trying to offend anyone...Just trying to bring in my opinion...

Uh, we already beat the hemi and are within a few 10ths of the SS. I think lightning is more like it.

The price comparison is not for the full package, its for the SC only. If you look at SC setups for other brand vehicles, they are between. $3500 and $5k. This is the highest priced setup I've seen yet. A SC installed on my vette was $5k with installation. This would work out to $7k+

OCtitan99 · 10-05-2005, 10:44 PM

I will ignore the smartass "bye" remark...like I said...I'm not trying to piss anyone off...I'm trying to join a discussion...but who manufactured that supercharger? how many miles do you have on it?

92TripleBlack · 10-05-2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OCtitan99

I will ignore the smartass "bye" remark...like I said...I'm not trying to piss anyone off...I'm trying to join a discussion...but who manufactured that supercharger? how many miles do you have on it?

Hmmm,
Take your pick. With the exception of BMW and Merc, it is the most expensive setup, all brands, all models. You can throw procharger in their also. They are the ones I looked at for the vette.

http://www.superchargersonline.com/superchargers.asp

OCtitan99 · 10-05-2005, 11:01 PM

ok but like I said...what supercharger do you have on YOUR vette? I'm curious if reliability is something you consider or have experience with?

Don't get me wrong centrifugal blowers like the paxton can be effective in some applications like your vette where high rpm is going to be important (although I'm pretty sure that the magnacharger kit makes more power and torque) but for a truck that I want to tow with or take to the dirt and use low AND high rpm I'm going to go with the Eaton which is what stillen has done.

You also need to think that with centrifugal blowers you only have one big frame structure, not much money in R&D or materials would be needed and you can only use the one air intake option that comes with the kit...Stillen has created an entirely new upper and lower plenum with the intercooler built in (those are two very large CAST ALUMINUM components that I'm sure took quite a lot of work to R&D) The other benefit is that with the Stillen kit they do not relocate the throttle body, meaning we can use almost any air intake that is available...how many other forced induction kits offer that?

1997-98 C5 Corvette LS1 Silver $5,995.00
1997-98 C5 Corvette LS1 Polished $6,995.00
1999-04 C5 Corvette LS1 Silver $5,995.00
1999-04 C5 Corvette LS1 Polished $6,995.00
2001-04 Z06 Corvette Silver $5,995.00
2001-04 Z06 Corvette Polished $6,995.00

http://www.magnacharger.com/gmc5corvetteintercooled.htm

Those are the prices for your Corvette that I pulled off of Magnarchargers webpage. I posted the link in case you questioned me (CMA)

There is a cheaper way of doing everything in life, then there is the right way. Best example, Stillen has followed all of the OE manufacturers. GM, Ford and Mercedes, just to name a few, all use Eaton blowers because they are the best

http://www.automotive.eaton.com/prod...erchargers.asp

Sorry to rant on like this I just get annoyed when I see people telling the manufacturers of the products we desire that they are doing it wrong. Some of you on here seem to think that all you need to do is get all the components, build a few brackets and wham bam your done...well what about check engine lights? what about ECU controls? what about all the hours of R&D it would take to produce a KIT that is a gain of over 140 hp? Take a look at those long-tube mossy headers we were all so interested in? I'm surprised that no one was saying that they could weld four pieces of pipe together and everything would be fine. With the computer controlled systems that we have in our vehicles these days things are much more difficult to work with and no one seems to be giving stillen the credit they deserve.

Enough ranting for one night. I hope this helps some of you, and to the others that still want to fight about it. I'm over it, I just wanted to put in my opinion.

Tony@Performance · 10-06-2005, 05:53 PM

The Stillen kits are all shipping out now, and are CARB legal !

We may even be putting these on new trucks on the lot for demos.

So far the kits are very nice, no issues, and no trouble with installs from what our customers say...

life_is_good · 10-06-2005, 06:09 PM

tough choice.......supercharger or bagged on 24's.

got_titan · 10-06-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OCtitan99

ok but like I said...what supercharger do you have on YOUR vette? I'm curious if reliability is something you consider or have experience with?

Don't get me wrong centrifugal blowers like the paxton can be effective in some applications like your vette where high rpm is going to be important (although I'm pretty sure that the magnacharger kit makes more power and torque) but for a truck that I want to tow with or take to the dirt and use low AND high rpm I'm going to go with the Eaton which is what stillen has done.

You also need to think that with centrifugal blowers you only have one big frame structure, not much money in R&D or materials would be needed and you can only use the one air intake option that comes with the kit...Stillen has created an entirely new upper and lower plenum with the intercooler built in (those are two very large CAST ALUMINUM components that I'm sure took quite a lot of work to R&D) The other benefit is that with the Stillen kit they do not relocate the throttle body, meaning we can use almost any air intake that is available...how many other forced induction kits offer that?

1997-98 C5 Corvette LS1 Silver $5,995.00
1997-98 C5 Corvette LS1 Polished $6,995.00
1999-04 C5 Corvette LS1 Silver $5,995.00
1999-04 C5 Corvette LS1 Polished $6,995.00
2001-04 Z06 Corvette Silver $5,995.00
2001-04 Z06 Corvette Polished $6,995.00

http://www.magnacharger.com/gmc5corvetteintercooled.htm

Those are the prices for your Corvette that I pulled off of Magnarchargers webpage. I posted the link in case you questioned me (CMA)

There is a cheaper way of doing everything in life, then there is the right way. Best example, Stillen has followed all of the OE manufacturers. GM, Ford and Mercedes, just to name a few, all use Eaton blowers because they are the best

http://www.automotive.eaton.com/prod...erchargers.asp

Sorry to rant on like this I just get annoyed when I see people telling the manufacturers of the products we desire that they are doing it wrong. Some of you on here seem to think that all you need to do is get all the components, build a few brackets and wham bam your done...well what about check engine lights? what about ECU controls? what about all the hours of R&D it would take to produce a KIT that is a gain of over 140 hp? Take a look at those long-tube mossy headers we were all so interested in? I'm surprised that no one was saying that they could weld four pieces of pipe together and everything would be fine. With the computer controlled systems that we have in our vehicles these days things are much more difficult to work with and no one seems to be giving stillen the credit they deserve.

Enough ranting for one night. I hope this helps some of you, and to the others that still want to fight about it. I'm over it, I just wanted to put in my opinion.

could not have said it better!!!!

92TripleBlack · 10-06-2005, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCtitan99

ok but like I said...what supercharger do you have on YOUR vette? I'm curious if reliability is something you consider or have experience with?

Don't get me wrong centrifugal blowers like the paxton can be effective in some applications like your vette where high rpm is going to be important (although I'm pretty sure that the magnacharger kit makes more power and torque) but for a truck that I want to tow with or take to the dirt and use low AND high rpm I'm going to go with the Eaton which is what stillen has done.

You also need to think that with centrifugal blowers you only have one big frame structure, not much money in R&D or materials would be needed and you can only use the one air intake option that comes with the kit...Stillen has created an entirely new upper and lower plenum with the intercooler built in (those are two very large CAST ALUMINUM components that I'm sure took quite a lot of work to R&D) The other benefit is that with the Stillen kit they do not relocate the throttle body, meaning we can use almost any air intake that is available...how many other forced induction kits offer that?

1997-98 C5 Corvette LS1 Silver $5,995.00
1997-98 C5 Corvette LS1 Polished $6,995.00
1999-04 C5 Corvette LS1 Silver $5,995.00
1999-04 C5 Corvette LS1 Polished $6,995.00
2001-04 Z06 Corvette Silver $5,995.00
2001-04 Z06 Corvette Polished $6,995.00

http://www.magnacharger.com/gmc5corvetteintercooled.htm

Those are the prices for your Corvette that I pulled off of Magnarchargers webpage. I posted the link in case you questioned me (CMA)

There is a cheaper way of doing everything in life, then there is the right way. Best example, Stillen has followed all of the OE manufacturers. GM, Ford and Mercedes, just to name a few, all use Eaton blowers because they are the best

http://www.automotive.eaton.com/prod...erchargers.asp

Sorry to rant on like this I just get annoyed when I see people telling the manufacturers of the products we desire that they are doing it wrong. Some of you on here seem to think that all you need to do is get all the components, build a few brackets and wham bam your done...well what about check engine lights? what about ECU controls? what about all the hours of R&D it would take to produce a KIT that is a gain of over 140 hp? Take a look at those long-tube mossy headers we were all so interested in? I'm surprised that no one was saying that they could weld four pieces of pipe together and everything would be fine. With the computer controlled systems that we have in our vehicles these days things are much more difficult to work with and no one seems to be giving stillen the credit they deserve.

Enough ranting for one night. I hope this helps some of you, and to the others that still want to fight about it. I'm over it, I just wanted to put in my opinion.

I didn't say it was a Magnacharger. Also, I don't know any vette owners with a Magnacharger. I said it was a Procharger. $3604 from Thunder racing. Plenty of research went into the Prochargers. They put out a 60% increase on the vette reliably with 8 PSI and intercooler on a stock motor.

And here's the Magnacharger system installed on the Tahoe for $5699.
http://www.moreperformanceinc.com/magna_trucks_1.php

Sorry, but I still don't buy it. I will probably buy a SC for the Mada, but I'm gonna wait a little longer to see what else emerges.

mossy_chris · 10-06-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony@Performance

Here are some dyno graphs of the Stillen supercharger. These are the kinds of numbers that we were seeing when we were down there during their Dealer Day a few months ago, while they were flogging their test Titan on the dyno for us. Good power all the way around, and a very nice gain if you are running intake and exhaust. Of course, this dyno was performed on their truck, and the intake they were using was a stillen unit (or K&N i cannot remember), and the exhaust was their twin pipe straight exit style exhaust.

Here it is:

These are shipping within a few days Stillen says. They are re-designing something with their packaging or with their Instruction manual I think....

Wow Awesome Numbers. Still kinda funny My 96 200SX 2.0L Inline-4 with a turbo made more HP and TQ and was driven daily for 3 years. Still Really impressive. Makes me wounder what Twin GT30R's or GT35R's @ 15-18PSI would do on a Titan

At least 950WHP??? Ahhhhhhh Dreaming is nice every once in awhile