Double solution VS Axle-wrap

[gr8titan]

Originally Posted by CJ3FLYR

Doh! I squeezed, wrestled and used a strap to winch the frame towards the axle. I agree about the rear spring helping considerably, the roller contacts the helper spring and really resists allowing the axle to twist. I didn't find the front ones on ebay. What did you type in the search? Thanks

Check post #4 above by bestatchess. There's a link to the retailer.
The "traction spring" was the only item of it's kind when I found it on eBay but you should be able to purchase it from the above link.

[CJ3FLYR]

Originally Posted by pi3yeargrad

yes sir...Im getting confused with the 3 names being used here still...the JT solution (JT spring)...helper spring, and the red spring...

Any reference to JT is crediting a guy named JetTech for figuring out that our Titans would benefit tremendously from the addition of a generic helper springs that are readily avail at any parts place. So JT...(solution/spring) = Generic Overload Helper leaf style spring. His initial install had the helper in front of the axle and on the bottom side of the factory leaf spring. The thing we're reading about here is taking the same type of generic helper he used, putting it behind the axle and on top of the spring. And putting this 'newly discovered', red, anti-axle wrap spring in front of the axle (on the top side of the factory leaf). I think the red anti-axle wrap springs have only been avail in the last 9+/- months. They are comparatively new or new to me/us anyways.

Does that clear it up, I'm tryin'

[gr8titan]

Originally Posted by CJ3FLYR

Does that clear it up, I'm tryin'

Thanks for the help CJ3.

[FlimFlamMan]

Thanks for the post. Good stuff.

Question. Have you had any squeeking/creaking noises since installing these springs that way?

Thanks,

Flim

[gr8titan]

Originally Posted by FlimFlamMan

Thanks for the post. Good stuff.
Question. Have you had any squeeking/creaking noises since installing these springs that way? Thanks, Flim

So far, No squeeking/creaking noises from the leaf spring/suspension assembly. I am very satisfied with the elimination of that split second "sinking feeling" on the bottom of the seat when I step on the accelerator. Now, all I feel is being pushed to the back of the seat everytime I step on the pedal.

[techracer]

I think this is what we are all talking about:

Front spring kit:
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/I...D:100000276701

Rear Spring kit:
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...rtnumber=18921

[gr8titan]

Heres a couple of drawings that may explain further the way these springs will control axle wrap. I tried to use red for the traction spring and black for the "JT" spring for some distinction. Hope this helps

[techracer]

I don't have anydoubts that how you've done your setup works but just a question.

Don't you think the red bar would be better served on the bottom? From looking at the leverage points it appears it would work better on the bottom and the JT bars on the top.

[pi3yeargrad]

Originally Posted by techracer

I don't have anydoubts that how you've done your setup works but just a question.

Don't you think the red bar would be better served on the bottom? From looking at the leverage points it appears it would work better on the bottom and the JT bars on the top.

thanks guys the explanations and pictures clear things up...

[gr8titan]

Originally Posted by techracer

I don't have any doubts that how you've done your setup works but just a question.
Don't you think the red bar would be better served on the bottom? From looking at the leverage points it appears it would work better on the bottom and the JT bars on the top.

The "red bar" is unsuitable for bottom installation because it is used to "reinforce the front half of the leaf spring from flexing upwards during hard acceleration. The downward "hump" of the "red bar" is specific to counter-act that "flexing" of the spring but will not affect regular compression of the spring when there is no aggressive acceleration.

However, you must be thinking of a "ladder bar" or similar (pardon my illustration below. It's a side by side comparison with the "red spring" mod) where it (ladder bar) is securely mounted on the axle housing (or parts thereof) to prevent the axle itself from twisting during aggressive acceleration. Additionally, the leverage point you may be referring to is the location where the other end of the "ladder bar" is anchored in one way or another to the frame of the vehicle. This is the ideal and not so inexpensive way to control axle wrap.

Hope this helps.

[MuskyHunter]

What is the purpose of the rubber roller on the rear spring anyway?

[gr8titan]

Originally Posted by MuskyHunter

What is the purpose of the rubber roller on the rear spring anyway?

I cannot think of any suitable relevance of this rubber roller except that it "cushions" the leaf spring from "hyper-extending" during off-road excursions where one side of the rear hangs (hyper-extends) and the other side is hyper-compressed. Any other ideas out there?

When utilized in the axle wrap mod, it helps control the "downward flex movement" of the rear half of the leaf spring when it is directly supported by the "JT" spring.

[Herbpov]

Originally Posted by gr8titan

The "red bar" is unsuitable for bottom installation because it is used to "reinforce the front half of the leaf spring from flexing upwards during hard acceleration. The downward "hump" of the "red bar" is specific to counter-act that "flexing" of the spring but will not affect regular compression of the spring when there is no aggressive acceleration.

However, you must be thinking of a "ladder bar" or similar (pardon my illustration below. It's a side by side comparison with the "red spring" mod) where it (ladder bar) is securely mounted on the axle housing (or parts thereof) to prevent the axle itself from twisting during aggressive acceleration. Additionally, the leverage point you may be referring to is the location where the other end of the "ladder bar" is anchored in one way or another to the frame of the vehicle. This is the ideal and not so inexpensive way to control axle wrap.

Hope this helps.

I think you have your axle turning the wrong direction. For ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

[gr8titan]

Originally Posted by Herbpov

I think you have your axle turning the wrong direction. For ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

The illustration is correct. We just have to distinguish which one we're talking about. The axle turns towards the front while the axle housing turns opposite towards the back during forward acceleration.

But you're absolutely right with the Physics theory: for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. You've just inter-changed the two counter-acting forces: axle rotation vs axle housing rotation.

And we are talking about axle housing direction (which is attached to the leaf spring) during "axle wrap" in forward vehicle movement. PEACE

[Herbpov]

Originally Posted by gr8titan

The illustration is correct. We just have to distinguish which one we're talking about. The axle turns towards the front while the axle housing turns opposite towards the back during forward acceleration.

But you're absolutely right with the Physics theory: for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. You've just inter-changed the two counter-acting forces: axle rotation vs axle housing rotation.

And we are talking about axle housing direction (which is attached to the leaf spring) during "axle wrap" in forward vehicle movement. PEACE

In the drawings that you made, you have the truck going in reverse. Should be axle turning counterclockwise and axle housing and spring force is clockwise. That's looking at the truck from the driver's side.