Power Pup & Wot!

[Mychael101]

Originally Posted by Quartz

Do the FFVs run that much more rich?

Just a tad on the rich side.

[roy365]

A tad? Looks like more than a tad to me!

[Mychael101]

Originally Posted by roy365

A tad? Looks like more than a tad to me!

Safe enough to run a 125 shot on without any fear of melting pistons from lack of fuel.

[roy365]

Not really where mine is tuned for the gas, but our trucks are different i am sure.

[Mychael101]

This is leaned out just a bit. Its the second run so power is off a bit. 1st run was 305hp and 36xtq it flew out the window so use this graph. The 3rd run dropped to 295hp and 346.8tq

[sudden urge]

Originally Posted by Mychael101

This is leaned out just a bit. Its the second run so power is off a bit. 1st run was 305hp and 36xtq it flew out the window so use this graph. The 3rd run dropped to 295hp and 346.8tq

From 4400-6000 RPM, it looks like a 11.7 AFR, you need an S&B intake to get that badboy into a low 12 AFR.

[Mychael101]

I'm think I'm going to do the ram air mod on my volant box. Its not like I have to worry about it leaning me out to much. Maybe it will push me to a 13 AFR and make a bit more power all thru the powerband and still on 89 octane. I can't wait to hit the track this Friday even with the 90 degree temps.

[chieflikalotapus]

after several pages reading up on bd from both threads and we still dont have any official #s on what kind of gains from bd on a stock titan or a slightly modded titan with an aftermarket exhaust and intake. i really dont care much about the WOT. my truck kicks a$$ as it is. i only have intake and exhaust with 2* advance. when i offroad thier is more then enough power. nothing even comes close to me out on the dirt. on the street i i have yet to lose. i spent $300 for an intake. im pretty sure bd will give alot more power for that same amount of money.

[roy365]

Originally Posted by chieflikalotapus

after several pages reading up on bd from both threads and we still dont have any official #s on what kind of gains from bd on a stock titan or a slightly modded titan with an aftermarket exhaust and intake. i really dont care much about the WOT. my truck kicks a$$ as it is. i only have intake and exhaust with 2* advance. when i offroad thier is more then enough power. nothing even comes close to me out on the dirt. on the street i i have yet to lose. i spent $300 for an intake. im pretty sure bd will give alot more power for that same amount of money.

if you felt WOT from 0mph you might change your opinion. However if you get WOT earlier than a 2WD then you might not need it. But, it's a great feeling regardless.

Of course you would think the BD will give you more HP for the same $ as a CAI, because the gains from a CAI can't even really be felt alone. Sounds different, thats about it.

[chieflikalotapus]

Originally Posted by roy365

if you felt WOT from 0mph you might change your opinion. However if you get WOT earlier than a 2WD then you might not need it. But, it's a great feeling regardless.

Of course you would think the BD will give you more HP for the same $ as a CAI, because the gains from a CAI can't even really be felt alone. Sounds different, thats about it.

your probly right. when i feel wot i will probly want it but from what i can say right now is my truck dont need it for what i use it for much less i will not need it in the near future.but with a cai if you can not even feel a difference for $300 but yet i added 2* advance and spent nothing for it and its a way better mod then a cai. i feel more the advance then cai. so you know bd has to out perform a simple 2* advance mod. but then again i will like to see true #s from a bd tuner

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by chieflikalotapus

after several pages reading up on bd from both threads and we still dont have any official #s on what kind of gains from bd on a stock titan or a slightly modded titan with an aftermarket exhaust and intake. i really dont care much about the WOT. my truck kicks a$$ as it is. i only have intake and exhaust with 2* advance. when i offroad thier is more then enough power. nothing even comes close to me out on the dirt. on the street i i have yet to lose. i spent $300 for an intake. im pretty sure bd will give alot more power for that same amount of money.

I thought my truck was awesome from the start but it seems like the faster it goes, the more I want, lol.

[KINGMADE]

If anyone rides in a WOT truck... WOT then becomes a must have. I think toomnymods dynoed it at around a 50hp gain over stock. Might have been 35 (can't remember exactly but it was a huge amount).

[loufish]

If anyone rides in a WOT truck... WOT then becomes a must have. I think toomnymods dynoed it at around a 50hp gain over stock. Might have been 35 (can't remember exactly but it was a huge amount).

I'd be very suprised to see anywhere close to those numbers on a dyno.....Because most dynos don't pull below about 3500 rpm, and the throttle should be real close to WOT by then...

What I would expect to find is real butt dyno results from a 5 mph roll to where it would go WOT on stock programing...

[Darkblueta]

Sorry about the highjack, but this needs to be corrected.

Originally Posted by Teh Wicked

Something to keep in mind here with these computer mods and such is your current elevation. Elevation has a role in vehicle performance, I know this for a fact.

The higher the altitude the leaner your car will run naturally due to the thinner air. Most of the places in the USA will not have major effects in this department cause you have to be at a good elevation to worry. Places like Denver and high elevation places in Wyoming and Montana are the places I would worry.

Nope. Your car will run richer with less air. Not run lean. Reason why vehicals do not need adjusted today is because of the MAF and MAP sensors that allow the ECM to adjust on the fly via rpm vs grams/cylinder/second on the VE tables. As long as BD adjusts the VE tables and doesn't get crazy on the timing, people should be ok with the tunes granted they use data from sea level vs 6k feet for their settings.

Originally Posted by Teh Wicked

Just for example here, I drove my Mustang home to WV after having it tuned here in FL. I ran a wideband A/F guage on her to keep an eye on her while racing and just simple mods. Around towen here I kept a steady 12:1 a/f ratio at WOT. when I went home to WV with an elevation of 2993ft my a/f Was a staggering 13.5:1, Which on a supercharged car with a shot on nitrous is not cool.
Just something to keep in mind, a wideband a/f guage might be a good investment.

Agreed on the a/f guage as a good investment.

As far as your FL/WV thing could have multiple reason from altitude, temperature, barometer, etc. Also octane has a lot to do with a/f ratio and it sounds like you got a bad batch of gas on top of lower temps and higher barometer readings to make your a/f ratio that far off. Trust me, when a gas station orders "X" amount of 87 and it doesn't all fit in the 87 tank, the put it in the premium tank...something us FI guys need to be very carefull about.

My TA when supercharged went from Las Vegas(110*+ sunny, elevation 2400ft, DA over 6kft) to Oklahoma City(75ish*, raining out, elevation approx 1200ft, DA under 1000ft). I had to add up to 8% fuel in my VE tables to bring fuel trims in line. Then OKC to Lancaster PA and had to add another 9% fuel to the VE with the weather, elevation(250ft) and DA(5' above sea level).

Hope this helps.

[Darkblueta]

Originally Posted by sudden urge

From 4400-6000 RPM, it looks like a 11.7 AFR, you need an S&B intake to get that badboy into a low 12 AFR.

12.5-.12.8:1 would be optimal.