wobbly passenger seatback

[Chris' Smoke]

Anyone having this problem? My LE KC is otherwise perfect except for the seemingly loose seatback on the passenger side captain. When any force is applied laterally from ether direction the seatback sways about 1/2 inch each way (side to side vs. forward and back). The driver side moves very little, barely noticible. I have a feeling they are all like this as the problem hasnt gotten worse and it makes no noise while doing it. I think a trip to the dealer for a warranty repair is in order, but Id hate to get there and have them tell me it is normal. Any advise is appreciated.

[smoketitan]

some dude had this problem on the driver side---check for rust in the seat metal asap!!!

[aztitan4x4]

Mine is doing the same thing. Have you tried tightening anything yet?
Let me know what the dealer say's.

[KTMKEV]

Mine also.

[stevemis]

Originally Posted by smoketitan

some dude had this problem on the driver side---check for rust in the seat metal asap!!!

I'm the dude. Yes, mine wobbles like a tower of Jell-O. I also have rust growing all over the hinges on both sides of the seat. I had a horrific squeaking noise coming from the seat back, which the dealer solved by spraying some lubricant all over something in the seat.

Unfortunately, he had very poor aim and managed to cover the seat and carpet with grease as well.

I can only hope his aim is better in the bathroom.

As of yesterday, the squeak in the passenger seat is back. Yippie, Nissan! That fix didn't even last 1,000 miles.

Is it just me or do you get the impression that passenger seat would fold like oragami if the vehicle were struck on the side? What really bothers me is that the passenger seat belt latch is attached to the seat! Ouch!

Nissan doesn't give a rats about doing anything but selling more trucks. Almost everything I bring to them is "No Problem Found" or "Defect does not affect vehicle operation".

See http://titanclub.org/seat_rust and http://www.titanclub.org/wobble

-Steve

[slam]

I noticed the same problem with my passenger seat, it was rattling a bit and definitely sways. On my last dealer visit I had them take a look, they said the sway was normal but tightened up the bolts anyway and the rattle went away. Its been OK for now a few months.

A related issue: When the rear right seat is folded up it rattles. Anyone else have this problem? The dealer hasn't been able to nail that one down yet. I'll keep hammering at them until they get it. In fact the Titan has to go in soon anyway for the sunroof (doesn't auto close and sometimes stutters as it closes) and the high speed shimmy. (oy)

[smoketitan]

Originally Posted by stevemis

I'm the dude. Yes, mine wobbles like a tower of Jell-O. I also have rust growing all over the hinges on both sides of the seat. I had a horrific squeaking noise coming from the seat back, which the dealer solved by spraying some lubricant all over something in the seat.

Unfortunately, he had very poor aim and managed to cover the seat and carpet with grease as well.

I can only hope his aim is better in the bathroom.

As of yesterday, the squeak in the passenger seat is back. Yippie, Nissan! That fix didn't even last 1,000 miles.

Is it just me or do you get the impression that passenger seat would fold like oragami if the vehicle were struck on the side? What really bothers me is that the passenger seat belt latch is attached to the seat! Ouch!

Nissan doesn't give a rats about doing anything but selling more trucks. Almost everything I bring to them is "No Problem Found" or "Defect does not affect vehicle operation".

See http://titanclub.org/seat_rust and http://www.titanclub.org/wobble

-Steve

this needs to be stickied--have you sent this website to Nissan?? also you should post this including the links on the nhtsa complaint form--thats ridiculous--if youdont want t--let me know and Ill do it for you

[stevemis]

Originally Posted by slam

and the high speed shimmy. (oy)

Ah, the high speed shimmy. Ours started it a few days before arbitration... Dealer hasn't had a chance to say "No Problem Found" or "Normal Operation" yet, but it was included in the list of issues we arbitrated.

Between 61 and 65 MPH the whole truck shakes. I'm actually glad it's at legal highway speeds. It feels like it's coming from the rear of the truck. The steering wheel doesn't shake any more than the seats do, so it's not the front tires.

-Steve

[stevemis]

Originally Posted by smoketitan

this needs to be stickied--have you sent this website to Nissan?? also you should post this including the links on the nhtsa complaint form--thats ridiculous--if youdont want t--let me know and Ill do it for you

I can't sticky - I'm not a forum moderator. Personally, if only one thing got stickied, it should be the original airbag/OCS sensor thread. I think that is a far more serious defect than the loose seat. Another candidate might be the arbitration notes. Unfortuantely, since all of these posts are negative and expose safety concerns, I don't think anyone would want to sticky them.

Nissan has been beating the website since day one. According to my http server logs, they followed the link I placed in an earlier message. It appears they also had some people from Takata looking at it as well.

See my post here, with a screenshot of part of my site statistics:

http://www.titantalk.com/showpost.ph...1&postcount=19

The NHTSA complaint form is:

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/Consumer.cfm

Existing complaints regarding the airbag issues are compiled on my site:

http://www.titanclub.org/odi/

I'm done complaining to the NHTSA and Nissan about their problems to have it all fall on deaf ears. Further complaints and conversations with Nissan will happen in court or through my attorney. I will, however, keep the site up and running, and up to date.

[Update]

Nissan is looking around on the site at this very moment.

mfhnnadn01sun.nissan-usa.com - - [09/Jul/2004:11:23:32 -0400] "GET /airbag_post/checkin-6-15-04-websafe.jpg HTTP/1.0" 200 946977 "http://www.titanclub.org/airbag_post/" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)"

-Steve

[netranger6]

Originally Posted by stevemis

I can't sticky - I'm not a forum moderator. Personally, if only one thing got stickied, it should be the original airbag/OCS sensor thread. I think that is a far more serious defect than the loose seat. Another candidate might be the arbitration notes. Unfortuantely, since all of these posts are negative and expose safety concerns, I don't think anyone would want to sticky them.

Nissan has been beating the website since day one. According to my http server logs, they followed the link I placed in an earlier message. It appears they also had some people from Takata looking at it as well.

See my post here, with a screenshot of part of my site statistics:

http://www.titantalk.com/showpost.ph...1&postcount=19

The NHTSA complaint form is:

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/Consumer.cfm

Existing complaints regarding the airbag issues are compiled on my site:

http://www.titanclub.org/odi/

I'm done complaining to the NHTSA and Nissan about their problems to have it all fall on deaf ears. Further complaints and conversations with Nissan will happen in court or through my attorney. I will, however, keep the site up and running, and up to date.

[Update]

Nissan is looking around on the site at this very moment.

mfhnnadn01sun.nissan-usa.com - - [09/Jul/2004:11:23:32 -0400] "GET /airbag_post/checkin-6-15-04-websafe.jpg HTTP/1.0" 200 946977 "http://www.titanclub.org/airbag_post/" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)"

-Steve

Then Sticky this. I'm researching this truck, because I want to own it. However, as each day passes I see more and more complaints from truck owners, with low mileage problems. So far, haven't read anyone who's butt has been kissed by the dealer to fix warranty items. I'm discouraged, and may have to hold off on this purchase because I feel that customer service is just as important for business as are discounts/rebates, etc.. What really concerns me is the rust on the seats? How the hell is that happening? That and the diff. issues.

[stevemis]

Originally Posted by netranger6

Then Sticky this. I'm researching this truck, because I want to own it. However, as each day passes I see more and more complaints from truck owners, with low mileage problems. So far, haven't read anyone who's butt has been kissed by the dealer to fix warranty items. I'm discouraged, and may have to hold off on this purchase because I feel that customer service is just as important for business as are discounts/rebates, etc.. What really concerns me is the rust on the seats? How the hell is that happening? That and the diff. issues.

I absolutely hear you. It seems over the past couple of months an alarming number of high-visibility issues have suddenly cropped up. Given this is a first model year, people *should* expect issues. You should also expect the dealer and Nissan corporate to handle them in a professional manner, or at least just handle them... This is what is NOT happening. This makes people upset, causes bad press and drives people to make websites like "XYZsucks.com".

-Steve

[netranger6]

THere's nothing worse than having to argue with the dealer, after the sale, about warranty issues. That is new to me, seeing how I've owned nothing but a Toyota for the last few years. See, Toyota has such huge revenues that they put so much money into warranty repair. You tell them there's a problem, they fix it and stroke your ego at the same time. This is what keeps people buying their product, not to mention the product itself, but follow up care is huge for repeat customers.

[stevemis]

Hi, Nissan!

mfhnnadn01sun.nissan-usa.com - - [09/Jul/2004:14:28:34 -0400] "GET /seat_rust/ HTTP/1.0" 200 4328 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)"

[Chris' Smoke]

Anyone have experience dealing with Mossy Nissan in Houston? Are they a!!holes about warranty repairs? Im going in on Monday to have this problem resolved one way or another.

[bestatchess]

Nissan has had some air bag problems before:

"Norma Brainerd
Swanson v. Nissan; product liability
Portland, Oregon, resident Norma Brainerd (then Swanson) purchased a 1994 Nissan Altima specifically because it featured a passenger side air bag. She felt that feature would help make her and her children safer. At the time, there had been little in the news about air bags posing a risk.

In December 1995 — just three nights before Christmas — Brainerd was the passenger in her Altima when the driver misjudged a turn and ran over an eight inch curb. The impact was minor, but the vehicle's air bags deployed and Brainerd was forcefully struck in the face. She was properly seat-belted and had her seat halfway back in the seat track. The air bag broke her nose, gave her a concussion and left her blind for six weeks. She regained the sight in her right eye but is legally blind in her left.

Following the accident, Brainerd began looking for an attorney to hold Nissan accountable for her injuries. "It wasn't just for me. I wanted to get those cars off the road." A friend led her to Larry Baron. "I was impressed with his determination," she says. "He really did a good job all the way to court. He dug into it and kept unearthing more and more cases where the same thing had happened to other people."

In his research for the case, Baron found evidence that the Altima's air bag had been designed to strike the occupant while still inflating. It flew out at the occupant at a speed of 159 miles per hour. All this was contrary to a basic premise of air bag design — that a bag be fully inflated before the occupant falls into it.

Baron discovered over 20 other women and children who had sustained serious eye injuries in accidents involving 1994 and 1995 Nissan Altimas. He also learned that while the driver side air bag had tethers, the passenger side did not. Tethers are straps inside the bag that prevent it from traveling too far back into the vehicle. He learned statistically that air bags were not needed in low impact collisions.

In November 1998, Brainerd's case proceeded to a jury trial in US District Court in Portland. "As we got close to the trial date, I was really scared," Brainerd recalls. "But Larry demonstrated this quiet determination. He helped me get through with his sense of assuredness and confidence." The trial began but on the third day the case settled.

She remained frustrated the cars were still on the road and other people stood a chance of getting hurt. In August 2002, Brainerd and her husband traveled to Washington, DC to participate in a Public Citizen news conference calling for the recall of 1994 and 1995 Altimas. "In the years since my accident, numerous other people have been injured by this same air bag," she told reporters. "Nissan remains aware of the defective product but has done nothing to recall and replace it. How many defective air bags will unexpectedly take the precious vision of other innocent victims before Nissan recalls this air bag?"



Ali Warsome
Warsome v. Nissan; product liability
Ali Warsome fled his native country of Somalia for a better life in the US. Unfortunately, his life changed dramatically for the worse as the result of a car accident on April 28, 2002.
On that day, Warsome was riding in a 1994 Nissan Altima and traveling from his home in Falls Church VA to Washington DC. He was headed to the bus station to visit his daughter in Minnesota. The driver, one of his sons, was attempting a sudden lane change when the car struck a traffic barrier. It wasn't much of a crash — the Altima didn't even need a tow, it was still drivable. However, the impact caused the passenger side air bag to inflate. The air bag struck Warsome's face with such force that his left eye had to be removed. Surgeons were unable to restore the vision in his right eye because – according to his medical records – "the retina was completely shredded." Ali Warsome lost his eyesight because of the impact of the air bag.

"I cannot see the sky anymore," the 74-year-old immigrant told a reporter. "I cannot cook, I cannot walk, I cannot help my grandchildren.... I don't know what to do."

Warsome's Washington DC attorney, John F. Kennedy, brought Larry Baron in as co-counsel because of Baron's experience prosecuting the Altima air bag cases. Baron and Kennedy documented the defective operation of the airbag. They noted how at least 40 other individuals — riding as passengers in Altimas — had been blinded or otherwise suffered damage to their eyes as a result of the force with which the air bag strikes a passenger's face. Eventually Nissan agreed to an undisclosed settlement with Warsome.

In his own way, Warsome supported the April 2003 recall of the airbags in the 1994 and 1995 Nissan Altimas. He was featured in a Los Angeles Times newspaper article documenting the product defect just months prior to the recall. This was one of many pressure points applied to Nissan that eventually led to the car company’s decision to replace the air bags."