Basic DD prerunner setup advice?

[NorCal 4x4]

Originally Posted by christyle

I'm guessing those resi radflos are going to require a new shock hoop instead of the buckets there now?

The new Radflo c.o. have an internal reservoir, (the SAWs do too). Although externals might be an option that you can ask Greg about.

Some of the bracket lift c.o. were offered with external reservoirs, but they didn't require hoops. The mid-travel can utilize c.o. that are long enough to require hoops, but they are unnecessary for most applications.

The new 2.5" Radflo rears do have the external reservoir as an option.

[pipho]

Originally Posted by A.I.I.Raciing

Really man, you think his valving is what makes him his money on this site, I think its his customer service.
My guess is that 95% of the people on this site that say its in the custom valving have no idea whats in their shocks or have any idea on what they are talking bout.
Monkey see Money do.
Im just curious if his valving is any diffrent than what I have in my Titan, because my Titan feels great and you dont see me riding Camburgs d*ck.

And as far as me being all about Camburg, thats partly true. But Im also friends with Greg and have been for a while now and if he had a product that was better than Camburgs at the same price I might have run his parts on one of my Titan, but the fact is that Camburg has a product at a price that I cant pass up. Not saying Greg wouldn't tke care of me, but Camburg taken care of me for the last 10 years and I like to stay with what works (for me).

Edit: Sorry for ruining this guys thread

Your right I have no clue whats in my shocks because they arnt stock valving, they are PRG valved and thats why I went with PRG, I knew what SAW and others were running. I didnt know his customer service when I called, I knew who he was and wanted this set of coilovers valved by him. I had tried 3 different coilovers on my F150 and wasnt happy with any of them, so I went PRG with my titan. I do want to point out that I think Camburg is a great company every single part on my ranger was camburg and they talked me though things as well as set me up with every random little part I needed. I only said that because from a few post you seemed like all you would ever run was camburg, and speaking from experience camburg, the last I checked, was running basic SAW valving and getting camburg etched on the top caps, and you should know the value of a well tuned shock.

[pipho]

Originally Posted by christyle

For some reason, my work filters wont let me get on their site here, but it doesnt say its blocked. I'm trying to work with him to build the best bolt on package I can. I'm not ready for a long travel kit yet. At this point im thinking either SAWs or radflo 2.5 resis front and rear with the UCA. Anybody have the shackle or add-a-leaf replacement pack? Thoughts? I only want around 2" lift, sitting level.

Whats best tire to run for a 17" rim that fills it out nice but isnt too big? I hate these metric tire sizes. I'm used to normal sizes like the 37s on my rockcrawler .

Because they mount the coilover upside down for more travel a rezzy really cant be done. (in the stock 4x4 application, 2x4 you can run a spindle and mount the coilover regular and run a rezzy) I am running the rear shackle because my truck was well over normal height in the rear so I used the shackle to drop my rear down, next is a full custom rear leaf set up. With the right wheel 35's clear with just 2.5 inches of lift, Its all about the back spacing though. Also his extended travel package (not the mid travel) is a completely bolt in deal.

[rynomx785]

Originally Posted by christyle

For some reason PRG wasnt loading for me earlier today at work...

That kit looks awesome, thats what im looking for. My only concern is the strength of that upper arm, the heims are cool and all, but look undersized for the application. Id just worry about hitting something wrong in the front end and ripping it out.

What about those rear shocks, anyone have experience with the radflos or saws? Id lean more towards the SAWs at this point I think.

Thanks for the input guys!

I ran those UCA's for over 2 years and was hard on them. No issues at all. I'm currently running a PRG Mid Travel kit which uses the same heims on the upper arms. I'm drive a lot harder with this than my old set up and have never had a issue. The weak link in the system is the stock coil bucket.

[christyle]

I like camburg's mounts for their UCAs better, they seem beefier. I'm unsure what the real losses from bushing to heim are between the two of them, maybe its a noticable change in friction for something that moves so often.

I think I misunderstood his explaination of the front Radflo resi coilovers I saw on the site, I guess you guys are saying they will not fit on a nearly stock truck with 4x4 (without new mounting) because of the orientation of the body? I just assume that having the external reservoir aids in oil cooling, which keeps performance more consistent, but maybe another shock just happens to work better.

Are those of you running the SAWs having any issues with rust/corrosion/pitting? My roomate and others have with theirs.

Pretty well set on the 2.5 resi radflo rears unless theres a huge price difference vs the SAWs. I wish the site would load here at work so I can waste time there instead of working

[pipho]

Originally Posted by rynomx785

I ran those UCA's for over 2 years and was hard on them. No issues at all. I'm currently running a PRG Mid Travel kit which uses the same heims on the upper arms. I'm drive a lot harder with this than my old set up and have never had a issue. The weak link in the system is the stock coil bucket.

Can you say ADD or SDHQ bolt on engine cage..... Cheap and easy

[rynomx785]

Originally Posted by pipho

Can you say ADD or SDHQ bolt on engine cage..... Cheap and easy

Bolt on engine cage? I lost you buddy. LOL Nothing about my ADD experience was cheap! It was pretty easy though. . . Drop it off and pick it up!

[pipho]

Originally Posted by christyle

I like camburg's mounts for their UCAs better, they seem beefier. I'm unsure what the real losses from bushing to heim are between the two of them, maybe its a noticable change in friction for something that moves so often.

I think I misunderstood his explaination of the front Radflo resi coilovers I saw on the site, I guess you guys are saying they will not fit on a nearly stock truck with 4x4 (without new mounting) because of the orientation of the body? I just assume that having the external reservoir aids in oil cooling, which keeps performance more consistent, but maybe another shock just happens to work better.

Are those of you running the SAWs having any issues with rust/corrosion/pitting? My roomate and others have with theirs.

Pretty well set on the 2.5 resi radflo rears unless theres a huge price difference vs the SAWs. I wish the site would load here at work so I can waste time there instead of working

Camburg makes great arms also, I only went with PRG so I could adjust them out when my frame gets tweaked like I did to my F150 and everyone only had stock modeled arms and couldnt get my truck aligned right anymore.

I could be wrong but I think all 4x4 stock location coilovers are internal resi.

SAW were known as rust a ways but with their new plating I think that problem is gone.

Most of the newer parts like 2.5 rear shocks arnt on his web site yet, have to call

[Derwud]

I have the Black truck that shows up in the PRG banner add. I run a set of modified Deaver leafs, with the TC shackles, (Greg hadn't released his yet). I also run the SAW's all around and TC upper arms, again to early. I love the the way my truck handles, the ride is a little stiffer than stock. The trade off is, it handles the dips and other stuff that made the stock system buck and bounce.

Check my sig line for all the info and pictures.

[pipho]

Originally Posted by rynomx785

Bolt on engine cage? I lost you buddy. LOL Nothing about my ADD experience was cheap! It was pretty easy though. . . Drop it off and pick it up!

Your right nothing is cheap haha, but easy yes, 2 plates for the top of the coil buckets, 2 tube connectors, and some tube to tie them together, saw if done on a new body F150

[Pops]

Originally Posted by christyle

Are those of you running the SAWs having any issues with rust/corrosion/pitting? My roomate and others have with theirs.

I was extremely concerned about that when I was getting mine. Fortunately for me, SAW was releasing a new shock body with plating that resists corrosion when I was ordering mine. So Greg held my order until he got a set of the new bodies in to send me.

[rynomx785]

Originally Posted by pipho

Your right nothing is cheap haha, but easy yes, 2 plates for the top of the coil buckets, 2 tube connectors, and some tube to tie them together, saw if done on a new body F150

I was pretty hard on mine and never bent anything. Just keep in mind that you are in a 5500 lb truck with 9" of travel and you shouldnt have any issues.

[NorCal 4x4]

Originally Posted by A.I.I.Raciing

Really man, you think his valving is what makes him his money on this site, I think its his customer service.
My guess is that 95% of the people on this site that say its in the custom valving have no idea whats in their shocks or have any idea on what they are talking bout.
Monkey see Money do.
Im just curious if his valving is any diffrent than what I have in my Titan, because my Titan feels great and you dont see me riding Camburgs d*ck.

And as far as me being all about Camburg, thats partly true. But Im also friends with Greg and have been for a while now and if he had a product that was better than Camburgs at the same price I might have run his parts on one of my Titan, but the fact is that Camburg has a product at a price that I cant pass up. Not saying Greg wouldn't tke care of me, but Camburg taken care of me for the last 10 years and I like to stay with what works (for me).

Edit: Sorry for ruining this guys thread

Your valving is different unless someone copied Greg's ... and I am definitely not implying anyone would.
People stating that Greg's valving is custom or spec''d by him don't need to know what a shim is. It is based upon both the many posts by him, and their own conversations with him, and a few experienced users that can tell the difference. A search on the web gives a few examples:

Originally Posted by Greg about SAW coilovers

I spec a custom valaving, the valving consists of thin stainless shims in different thicknesses (from .008 to .020 thick) and the are stacked in a certian order. When I order these they build the stacks in a fashon that I spec.

Originally Posted by Greg on Canburg

They build first-rate parts. ... Camburgs shocks are made by SAW but run thier logo, Im not sure of the valving but im guessing that its standard SAW valving as they do with the toyota coilovers.

Originally Posted by Greg on Kings, valving etc.

I will say with 100% certanty the King is in NO way the "best" shock on the market. Yes, they build a great shock, but the reality is that thier "prerun" series is actually a bit less impressive than the SAW, Radflo, or DRE, Fox or even 9100 series Bilstiens. The fact remains that most shocks are pretty similar. If you took away the anodizing, 99% of all people couldn't thell the difference. What does make a good shock is the valving first and foremost, and just about any of the shocks mentioned can be valved damn near the same ( in my humble opinion, no shock manufactuer gets the valving right). Next is the longevity of the shock, the seals and plating, shaft material, seal material, etc. Notice i never mentioned fade because no one here will fade a 2.5" coilover. Most people get hooked on thier favorite color of shock, it really dosent matter!!! This is such a crazy topic that on some of the desert racing boards you are not allowed to ask which shock is better. The valving is everything. 99% of all toyota owners will tell you that the Kings are a far cry from the DRE. And I dont really like the way SAW valves thier shocks, but I love thier product with my valving. We'll see how King does.
A little background on myself and my opinions. Many people know that I tune shocks for a few race teams. I have put Kings in the winners circle many times. Last year I tuned a SAW sponsored truck to win the most points ever in the MDR desert series. I currently co-drive a truck sponsored by Fox that I do all the valving on that was the first ever "Street legal" truck to win overall at a desert race. I personnaly run Radlfo's on my current truck. I have no real bias as to the performance or color of a shock. As long as they can be tuned, i like them. PS, the only shocks that I wont tune are Bilstien 9100, i just dont like working on them.
And Dova, I have a customer in El Centro that HAD Kings on his lifted Titan and just sold them because his SAW work so much better and were about 1/2 price. Again, its all in the valving. Also, if these Kings are like the other replacement shocksie DRE, Radflo 2.5", they will be too long (including the spacer) for your lifted application and will require a new upper a-arm.

Originally Posted by Greg on Radflo for lifted

They are made by Radflo for dimensions and valving that i spec'd. the reason was that i wasnt getting the performance/longevity from the other shocks that were currently available and wanted more from some of the others. The fox's are a great upgrade and there is nothing "wrong" with them though. but these shocks use a much better and longer coil than the Fox, have a external res., have better valving and a stronger upper mount. They are not cheap but simply the best bolt-on coilover for the raised titans. For those who may not be familiar, i have a pretty deep background in desert racing and specifically, shock tuning. I am super-critical of suspension performance and want to offer only the best performing parts.

Originally Posted by Greg from thread shown

I do a lot of shock work for race teams, Dan is one of them. I also help prep the truck a bit, but the suspension is my responsibility. Valving race shocks is one part of our business.

PRG Racing

Btw, you could probably get Greg to custom valve you coilovers for you. Maybe he'll give you a discount being that you're friends and all.
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[pipho]

Originally Posted by rynomx785

I was pretty hard on mine and never bent anything. Just keep in mind that you are in a 5500 lb truck with 9" of travel and you shouldnt have any issues.

Air bumps are coming as soon as I can convince myself cutting up and 08 truck is ok.

[pipho]

I know camburg uses generic valving on their f150 shocks also so that toy and ford with generic valving anyone want to place bets on titans being 8comp 10 rebound too?