Axel wrap or just suspension travel - Page 5

*roy365* · 07-16-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Titanomachy

BB, I'm confused, which is nothing unusual, What do mean when you say "But even with the SAW's front and rear, this was extremely noticeable" and go on to say "They made a big difference, trust me" are you talking about the "SAW's" or the bars making the difference? Which mod made the difference your referring too? If I read into what you wrote earlier about each item doing its own thing as they should be, then I really shouldn't expect a sway/roll improvement with just bars. Sorry to beat a dead horse, but looking for best bang for buck with sway/roll cornering, but am also concerned with the wrap. I'm ok if bars only fix wrap and traction, just not sure if your saying the bars with do more than that and help with sway/roll.
Thanks for post DRTYAZN, good advice with thread in/out and if starting from scratch "bars first", its helping me reach ever closer to wallet and phone.

If the bolded is your primary objective then the traction bars are not for you IMO. If you are looking to alleviate sway/roll you can just install an anti-sway bar first. Then some better tires and wheels possibly. For what that is worth.

Titanomachy · 07-16-2008, 02:13 PM

Greg called me back, spoke to him about what exactly the bars do. Great guy, very helpful and honest about what to expect from any one part. He did say the bars are designed to help launches and will really not help with roll/sway. Went ahead with order, want better off the line take offs and no wrap. Down the road after I pay these off, I'll look at getting something for sway/roll. Greg recommended pulling off front sway bar to help with certain scenarios when the front end pushes. Have to try it, to see how it works. Depending on where one wants help with and what type of improvement weither it be sharp turning, or sweeping turns, will decide what works best.

Titanomachy · 07-16-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by roy365

If you are looking to alleviate sway/roll you can just install an anti-sway bar first. Then some better tires and wheels possibly. For what that is worth.

Where I would like to improve with sway and roll, Greg didn't think a rear sway bar would help me. I talked about scenario when the turn is somewhat low speed 25-35mph and as exiting punching it and not have wheel spin. He said in that case the swaybar would not help. Rear sway works good in low speed sharp cornering. To help with corner exits and wheel spin go with a true-trac. I hope I have that right I don't want to give bad advice here.

DRTYAZN · 07-16-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Titanomachy

Where I would like to improve with sway and roll, Greg didn't think a rear sway bar would help me. I talked about scenario when the turn is somewhat low speed 25-35mph and as exiting punching it and not have wheel spin. He said in that case the swaybar would not help. Rear sway works good in low speed sharp cornering. To help with corner exits and wheel spin go with a true-trac. I hope I have that right I don't want to give bad advice here.

uhoh...

now that's a whole'nother few pages of posts... search "Tru Trac"...

slickrod25 · 07-16-2008, 07:24 PM

hello dudes i have a question will traction bars keep my rearend from moving front to back i have heard that i need new leaf springs from some people others say traction bars any suggestions i really need help in this matter thanks

Titanomachy · 07-17-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DRTYAZN

uhoh...

now that's a whole'nother few pages of posts... search "Tru Trac"...

Luke......Use the "Search", if I start looking at them now I might be digging a grave, with a tru-trac at least I know I could get out of it. lol
Every time I start looking at these AM upgrades, I get an itch that only a credit card seems to be able to reach. Their nice, but a little wheel spin will have to be tolerated for now.

*roy365* · 07-17-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Titanomachy

Where I would like to improve with sway and roll, Greg didn't think a rear sway bar would help me. I talked about scenario when the turn is somewhat low speed 25-35mph and as exiting punching it and not have wheel spin. He said in that case the swaybar would not help. Rear sway works good in low speed sharp cornering. To help with corner exits and wheel spin go with a true-trac. I hope I have that right I don't want to give bad advice here.

Yeah I guess our our interpretation skills are rusty as to what you are/were asking. As stated you need to do some research on a trutrac if this^^^^^is truly your issue now. Thats not really sway/roll.....it's wheelspin.

*roy365* · 07-17-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by slickrod25

hello dudes i have a question will traction bars keep my rearend from moving front to back i have heard that i need new leaf springs from some people others say traction bars any suggestions i really need help in this matter thanks

Watch the video at the beginning of this thread....should help you to see what is going on with your suspension/rear end. the traction bars will eliminate the movement you speak of.

Titanomachy · 07-17-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by roy365

Yeah I guess our our interpretation skills are rusty as to what you are/were asking. As stated you need to do some research on a trutrac if this^^^^^is truly your issue now. Thats not really sway/roll.....it's wheelspin.

Not to take from BB but "thats my fault", Looking to fix both, thought a sway control add-on or upgrade would have solved wheel spin too, like a rear sway bar, Greg said most likely not, a tru-trac would solve that. I was thinking that something for sway and roll would also take care of wheel spin, thinking that it would help plant all the tires, but that does not appear to be the case. Would like to improve mainly roll and sway at medium speeds and some what sweeping turns. Most of my driving is on 35-50 mph roads so improving handling at these speeds is what would like. Shocks will probably be my next upgrade. They seem to help in many areas of ride and roll/sway, now that the axel wrap issue is soon to be a thing of the past. Have to talk to neighbor about getting them welded up. Look forward to having bars on, really sounds like a "must have" with the Titans.

Added:

Hey, this is a great new revelation to me, didn't know that from a stop as you just start off, even very slowly that the wrap was happening with such little throttle you feel this clunk or catch-up, hard to describe, but as in this thread link below, its the wrap causing it. It too as others posted in that thread, drives me nuts. Turns out bars will take care of that too, these bars just keep getting better.

Play in drive shaft?

I can't believe how many recent posts about axel wrap related issues are in here. Greg charge up that cell/cordless phone, sounds like you should get a wave of calls if members are serious about correcting this issue.

**Titan1080** · 07-21-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Titanomachy

Do the bars limit articulation? Not that I go rock climbing or anything like that, just thought I'd ask?

If you're into a little more serious 4 wheeling, Austin had the off-road bars and they didn't limit articulation at all for what he did with his Titan FWIW...http://austinm.net/titan/

Congrats on the purchase, I'm sure you'll love the results!

Titanomachy · 08-03-2008, 11:12 AM

Thanks Titan1080, look forward to getting them on, they got here a couple of days ago. Hardly ever go off road anymore, so articulation is not a priority, if I asked about that, it was only to fill some of the empty space in the Ole noggin. 4x4 really only for the snow now, but when I had a travel trailer, used it a bit then too. Even though its 4x4 looking for more street performance than off-road. Will give 'em a run for the money when I get them on soon and report back. Thanks Again.

Titanomachy · 08-12-2008, 04:14 PM

PRG Products Street Traction Bars have been on now for a few days and all I can say is WOW! Absolutely worth every penny. Axle wrap is a thing of the past and the difference in off-the-line launches is dramatic. They do exactly as designed with no noticeable side effects. Glad I didn't wait any longer. Helps with braking too. Had I known how much they improved take-offs, would have had them on sooner. The catch-up and that feel of the wheels playing catch-up is gone completely. If your hating the sloppiness of axle wrap every time you take off, don't hesitate, buy them.

sresinger · 08-22-2008, 04:32 PM

I heard a rummer from a dealer that the titans have the same drive axles as the frontiers. I'm sure he was just trying to sell me on the dodge cummins being as they can't mive them but wanted to know if anyone else has heard of this