Payload Capacity and Pin Weight

[Coyote Joe]

We are considering towing a 5th wheel with our new Titan. We don't want to exceed our 1590 lb payload capacity. Doesn't that mean the LOADED pin weight plus the weight of the passengers plus truck cargo plus weight of the 5th wheel hitch added together cannot exceed 1590 lbs? Also one catch is figuring out what the LOADED pin weight is (we are looking at a Wildcat 5th wheel with a pin weight of 950 lbs.)
We are new to this fifth wheel world....we have been towing TT in the past....any info for newbies would be welcomed

[TowingTitan]

Hello, I think we are both looling at buying the same camper. The wildcat is the best looking 5th wheel out there. Your truck will tow that with no problems. Unless you plan on hauling a 1000lb weight set with you on your camping trip you will be fine on the payload capicity. I have a crewcab and I will have to use the 12k superglide 5th wheel hitch to keep from breaking my back window with my camper. Post when you get the camper.

[Loafer]

On page 53 of the July issue of Consume Reports, they list the maximum payload capacity of a Titan SE Crew Cab as 1105 lbs. In the individual review of the Titan they cite it as having a 'meager 1105 pounds'. Now, I've never seen this number anywhere else but here. Is Consumer Reports full of ****?

[cttitan]

Originally Posted by Loafer

On page 53 of the July issue of Consume Reports, they list the maximum payload capacity of a Titan SE Crew Cab as 1105 lbs. In the individual review of the Titan they cite it as having a 'meager 1105 pounds'. Now, I've never seen this number anywhere else but here. Is Consumer Reports full of ****?

Technically, no they are not....

I have an SE CC and when weighed it weighed in at 5500# with just me (200#) and full tank of gas in it. With a GVWR of 6499 that only leaves you about 1000# of payload capacity before you exceed the GVWR.

With a 5th wheel weighing in at ~10000 # or more based on the rig you are looking at you will be pushing the envelope on the GCWR also. Sure it will do it but it will be maxed out. If you are not looking to tow it frequently it would be OK IMHO but if you are looking to do a lot of towing with a rig that size I would get something bigger to pull it with.

It all depends on how much extra stuff you carry and how comfortable you are being over the GVWR/GCWR. This summer we towed our 5000# TT and with four people and a full load of junk in the bed of the truck it was probably weighing in at ~6000# but then throw the tounge weight of the trailer on it and there you are at the GVWR or just above it, not a big deal in my book but if you tried to tow to the vehicles as advertised capacity of 9300# you would easily be at least 500# over the GVWR with a family of four in the cab and the normal junk in the bed. With the 5th wheel you might not have so much junk in the bed but you will have the pin weight and the hitch weight which you can easily find out for your particular model. I would go to www.rv.net and look around the forums there for a better feel about a loaded pin weight on the 5th wheel.

I think that the rated 9300# towing capacity comes from a stock truck with no accessories, no payload and a midget driving it.

[dhaessig]

I bought a Titan about a month ago. When the dealer applied (commercial) plates, the California DMV asked them to get a certified weight. The certified vehicle weight is too high. The dealer asked for a 2nd weigh-in, and it was still too heavy.

This is a 2x4 King Cab with every option. I stripped the bed accessories and unloaded everything. I even removed the jack for the 2nd weigh-in.

Has anyone else had this happen?

What are the tax implications?

What are the technical problems?

Can I still haul 1/2 ton loads?

[g dan arnold]

Originally Posted by Coyote Joe

We are considering towing a 5th wheel with our new Titan. We don't want to exceed our 1590 lb payload capacity. Doesn't that mean the LOADED pin weight plus the weight of the passengers plus truck cargo plus weight of the 5th wheel hitch added together cannot exceed 1590 lbs? Also one catch is figuring out what the LOADED pin weight is (we are looking at a Wildcat 5th wheel with a pin weight of 950 lbs.)
We are new to this fifth wheel world....we have been towing TT in the past....any info for newbies would be welcomed

We have a new Smoke Titan, and was thinking of towing an Outback,
Frontier ?? Regular TT 18 to 25 feet. Then we saw this forum 5th wheeler
sounds great, Frontier has a 23 and 24 ft. We don't want anything too
long. Driveway problems, also weight is a factor. How about, what
hitch would be suitable for the titan truck. Would a 5th wheeler be easier
to pull than TT. What kind of gas mileage are we looking at also TT vs
5th wheeler. Would love some response..........DanDee

[emilioferrer]

I think that the rated 9300# towing capacity comes from a stock truck with no accessories, no payload and a midget driving it.[/quote]

I have a KC LE 4x2 with the big tow package and I placed it on a very accurate scale. Without passangers and with somewhere between 12 and 14 gallons of fuel it weighted 2820 in the front axle and 2250 in the rear axle. If I substract 70 to 80 lbs for the fuel I have an empty weight of almost exactly 5000 lbs (probably 2800 in the front and 2200 in the rear).

As far as GVWR is concerned that only leaves me 1600 lbs payload capacity. Now, the FAWR and RAWR are different: 3300 lbs for the front axle and 3800 lbs for the rear axle. I would be more concerned about those than about the GVWR. After all GVWR matters for things that are affected with the total weight (brakes is the only thing that comes to mind). Axle loading sounds more critical to the suspension. Payload can be critical to the bed frame.

A full fuel load is about 170 lbs and is probably about 80% on the rear axle and 20% in the front axle. Passangers are probably somewhere around 80/20 for the front seat and 70/30 in the rear seat. The king pin goes almost 100% to the rear axle. I would consider the weight distribution carefully when loading a fifth wheel.

By the way I am planning to tow an ultralight too. Slider hitch from Husky, no super glide. The super glide is very heavy, some 100 lbs more that the slider hitch. I will have to measure my critical turning angles to stop and reset the hitch position. I know people that have been doing for years with good results.

[Moly-Coated Bullet]

I tow a 2004 Starwood 28 ft 5th wheel trailer, weigthing 7800+. I have a Husky 16k "EZ roller" hitch. With the King Cab, I haven't had to use the slider. I put on a set of "Super Srings", because the roads are so rough, the spring sleeve was striking the hanger nuts that come through the frame. Other than that, no problems. MPG pulling trailer 9.5 to 10 on the flats, 8.0 to 8.5 going east on I-80 over Donner Summit, coming back west over the summit 12.5 mpg. Oh yea, pulled all the way to the top no slower than 60 mph with plenty power to spare,

MC-B

[TowingTitan]

CAN YOU GUYS POST SOME PICS OF YOUR TRUCK HOOKED TO YOUR CAMPER?
tHANKS

[radiokid]

Isn't the GVWR figure of 9300# for an empty truck eg. no driver, passengers or gas. I think everything you add counts against that maximum figure. There seems to be some confusion because in a towing forum they made this pretty clear to me that everything counts above the dry truck weight.

[NDJollyMon]

I tow an OUTBACK 25 RSS. It's a travel trailer that weighs about 5000 lbs when empty. I use an Equal-I-Zer brand hitch.

[TowingTitan]

How About Posting Some Pics Of Your Trucks With The Campers????