Big Tow towing vs. non-big tow - Page 3

StuntDriver06 · 03-28-2007, 04:39 PM

exactly....

skyhammer · 03-28-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kellyj00

plain and simple, the 4.10 drivetrain can handle 9,500 lbs.
the smaller gear can handle 7,500 lbs.

If you have CC or 4x4 it lowers it because those options are heavier in the truck. If you want 9,500 lbs, you'll just need a new ring/pinion gear in the back.

Personally, I would find the VIN code that means 4.10 axle and find a wrecked titan at a junkyard... or you could just ask your nissan service department to change it out.... either just the gear or the whole rear end.

Googling came up with this article, it gives some info.

"We had the guys at Dynatrac set ours up with 4.56:1 gearing from Yukon Gear. We left the diff carrier open for now because industry buzz at the time suggested that a totally new electric locker was nearing production from Detroit Locker. More on that in a future article. "

http://www.fourwheeler.com/projectbu...ing_front_ifs/

watch the spacing, that's a link. I really don't know a damned thing about replacing gears or diffs, but I want to be helpful if I can.

No 4:10 gears available for the Titan, 3:36 is a low as you get.Won't do any good to look for a vin# with 4:10 gears.

XRING600 · 03-30-2007, 05:25 AM

If the money is bothering buy an XE. 2007 is the 1st year you can get the tow package on the XE. It is a good bargin.

Justintoxicated · 04-02-2007, 04:42 PM

The larger battery is still a POS :P but at least its a better POS. Mine lastedme 2 years and is still going but after it leaked I decided to change it.

I have the BT and ave never used it. I bougt my truck to possibly pull a trailer but my Dad picked up a 3500 dodge a month later and I have never eve bothered with the titan since it's his trailer, and the dodge is better for towing anyways.

So All I get is Less MPG I get about 14-15mpg freeway with BT and 4x4

Curmudgeon · 04-04-2007, 01:00 AM

I went around the question of tow pkg vs non-tow pkg when I bought my XE KC. One factor that I considered was that while the towing rating is one number, the variation in real-world towing is much broader. Pulling a 9000 lb boat up a steep launch ramp puts one kind of stress and might really need the lower axle ratio to be able to get started. Towing a 5th wheel won't tend to have those steep starts, but the huge frontal area will give lots of wind resistance and make the engine/transmission work hard and give durability challenges.

I was looking for something that could tow a 5th wheel (lighter that the really big ones). For me, the hitch wasn't important, and I decided that with a 5-speed transmission, the axle ratio wasn't all that important either. The trans temp guage seemed potentially valuable towing a 5th wheel, though that could be added. I'd have liked the extendable towing mirrors, but they weren't included on XE tow pkg. Nissan puts a good price on the tow package, but then they only sell it with a bunch of other options (some of which are overpriced). I'd pretty well decided that I'd buy a base XE because the ones with tow pkg were showing up $2k higher, and it wasn't worth it to me, when I ran into a dealer who had two with tow pkg advertised at $18.5k, about $500 more than seemed to be the going base XE sales price, so I got the tow pkg after all...

StuntDriver06 · 04-04-2007, 01:48 PM

tow package is 450 and doesnt require additional packages....

TMonte · 04-04-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by StuntDriver06

tow package is 450 and doesnt require additional packages....

Other packages aren't required, but most people will be hard pressed to find one on a lot with BT that doesn't have something else. The dealers seem to option the packages together, so if you want a specific option without others, you have no choice but to order one that way and lose a lot (if not all) of your haggling leverage.

When I bought mine last year around this time, I checked 4 dealerships in the area and not one SE had BT without the Off-Road and Popular packages as well. I didn't want OR, but I got it anyway.

StuntDriver06 · 04-04-2007, 05:47 PM

i usuallela <--screwed that up...

i usually get packages or options i dont want and they cant find without free..

Curmudgeon · 04-04-2007, 06:05 PM

I scoped out general pricing and options using carsdirect.com, which I've found pretty usefull for doing comparison shopping. I also checked out nissanusa. Both showed that you had to buy the other packages to get the tow package, (at least on XE and SE). So your $250 (XE) or $450 (SE) tow package ends up more like $2000 and includes a bunch of stuff which may or may not be valuable to you, but is high markup for Nissan. The only one of the extra packages that actually relates to towing is the trac package (limited slip).

**loufish** · 04-04-2007, 11:12 PM

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Both showed that you had to buy the other packages to get the tow package, (at least on XE and SE). So your $250 (XE) or $450 (SE) tow package ends up more like $2000 and includes a bunch of stuff which may or may not be valuable to you, but is high markup for Nissan.

Yeah there is some of that, I can't remember the "combination" I needed to get the tow package, but it didn't matter to me, I wanted that stuff...Even if Nissan "builds it that way" you still have to find one.

jdwags · 04-05-2007, 09:49 PM

One of the biggest fallacies out there is that lower gearing will really wreck your gas mileage. Not true. Trailer Life magazine did a study a few years ago and concluded that when gear changes were made that usually the miles per gallon difference was 1mpg or less. Towing with lower gears will give you better mpg usually and many people report a little better mpg with low gears in city driving. I switched my present truck from 3.55 gears to 4.10 gears and found I get better gas mileage towing, the same in the city, and about 1 mpg less on the highway empty doing 70 mph. With the lower gearing the truck is way more enjoyable to drive and the extra revolutions at highway speeds is hardly noticeable. If I was running empty most of the time, sure I would go for the higher gears. But if you use a truck like a truck, I vote for the lower, tow package, gears.

StuntDriver06 · 04-06-2007, 01:57 PM

once you drive your titan a few times, you will find it hard to keep your foot out of the intake manifold, causing your gas mileage to drop no matter which one you get...

KMDColo · 04-07-2007, 12:33 AM

Is there really that big of a difference between in gas mpg between big tow and non-big tow. I plan on getting the big tow, I only wish the had a power folding mirrors.

**loufish** · 04-07-2007, 08:29 AM

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Is there really that big of a difference between in gas mpg between big tow and non-big tow. I plan on getting the big tow, I only wish the had a power folding mirrors.

No....1-2 mpg max. If you are going to be towing anything I'd get the tow package, the mirrors are great and when it comes time for re-sale it's a plus.

jdwags · 04-07-2007, 11:44 PM

When you hear one Titan owner complain he isn't getting the mpg that another Titan owner is getting, there can be alot of reasons. I would think that driving habits have the most to do with it. Being easy on the throttle when accelerating is a biggy. Also, running at 75 mph as opposed to 60 mph can eat alot more fuel. As to the trucks themselves, if one guy has the Big Tow and 4x4 while the next guy has Non Tow package and a 4x2, then you would maybe see a 3 mpg difference. Add to the fact that the 4x4 driver really puts his foot in it and the 4x2 driver is conservative, then you would really see a big difference. I personally think that the mpg difference between a 4x4 and 4x2 is greater than the difference between Big Tow and not....but not by alot.