Recieved my probox for Titan KC!

Justintoxicated · 01-18-2007, 08:17 PM

Ok keeping on topic this time. I got this box a while ago so I have had some time to play with it. I have the settings pretty close to where I want them.

For those who missed it this is what I am talking about.
http://www.proboxloaded.com/products...0L/index.shtml

For those who don't think a ported box can produce good clean base, think again. This box does sound good. Now, I have heard sealed boxes produce some very clean bass, but this box is definitely no slacker.

The version I received is somewhat of a prototype, so expect more on it soon.

If anyone out there wants to meet up to compare their system and see how stacks up please let me know! I'd love to checkout whatever you have and see how the two setups compare.

Right now it has a prototype sub, they are shipping me the version that should go into the production box. I don't know what exactly they are changing on the sub other than that it will have a double stacked magnet. The basket on the one I have appears to be billet. Now although the look of the sub did not impress me as much as some, I must admit it delivers PLENTY of sound for me. I think I will need to get a new amp for my Iridiums up front and Sound deaden the roof to get the most out of it.

Now I definately don't have the best amp to drive it off. My amp has no subsonic filter, and I have no idea what the bass boost frequency is so I'm not using any of that stuff. It's an ancient hifonics ZEUSE 150x2 or 600x1 @ 4 ohms. It's also class D. So I have to wonder how much class D vs A/B on a sub amp makes? My amp is not mounted yet either so don't laugh!

The setup has a nice deep punch to it, it does not seem to miss a beat with rock music and has very decent response. I can feel drums etc kick me in the chest as it should be. The box does not sound muffled at all. It is not super Boomy either. I can't wait to put the new sub in there, and I will also throw in my Ascendant Audio Assassin in it just for the hell of it.
www.ascendantaudio.com

The box is not only designed around the sub, but also tailored around the vehicle it is in. With their port location and speaker grill in specific ideal locations. They are also making their own subs to meet their enclosures rather than just the usual visa versa. So if they have a sub that does not work perfect due to vehicle limitations they can re-tool the drivers to match an optimized enclosure. For instance on the KC titan the port is aimed at the rear door very deliberately and the box fills up under the seat nicely and it's finish id ecelent too. I'm still waiting to receive their updated sub this for further testing.

This finish on the box is nice, I'm not worried about dust collecting on it as someone mentioned previously, it's not super porus like Rhino liner or nearly the as ruff as the stock titans bed liner it's more of a smooth spray on liner finish.

Packaging was excelent as well.

Pics...

Yea I need an amprack, and the center console has some gouges from my toolbox falling over when having to slam on my brakes driving on the LA freeways!

Anyone know of a solution to stop the windows from vibrating when rolled up?

P-Dizzle · 01-18-2007, 09:12 PM

They are pretty nice enclosures and ported boxes can definately produce clean bass. They just require more airspace and are a lot more picky than a sealed enclosure. My favorite sounding enclosure was a custom bandpass setup with 2 JL W3's but who has that kind of room. The ProBox is a nice fit and looks pretty good in the truck. I guarentee if you hear a good system with 2 10's sealed in a Titan you will be even more impressed. I have heard the ProBox in a Crew Cab folks. It does sound good and produces clean bass. But if you want bone shattering bass the ProBox is not for you.

**tech12volt** · 01-18-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by P-Dizzle

They are pretty nice enclosures and ported boxes can definately produce clean bass. They just require more airspace and are a lot more picky than a sealed enclosure. My favorite sounding enclosure was a custom bandpass setup with 2 JL W3's but who has that kind of room. The ProBox is a nice fit and looks pretty good in the truck. I guarentee if you hear a good system with 2 10's sealed in a Titan you will be even more impressed. I have heard the ProBox in a Crew Cab folks. It does sound good and produces clean bass. But if you want bone shattering bass the ProBox is not for you.

P dizzle took the words right out of my mouth. . . And i have never heard this box pictured.So i will have to report you guys on it at a later time. I am glad intox likes it. Its his box and he spent his haed earned money on it and i hate when people waste money on audio. I just personally do not like ported box for sq. ever. That gain you get from them is nice and loud at the tuned freq but it suffers everywhere else.And i build atleast 5 ported boxes a week for people wanting loud bass . And ported boxes have to be damn near exact for the subs or you will be making many trips to the audio shop. I have seen subs last less than 5 minutes in a ported box that is tuned wrong and thats the problem with prefab ported boxes. You can not just put your subs in them and hope for the best.

Im really glad you like it bro. We recieved a fax about these boxes from a distributor last week. And the owner was considering carry them again. Oh well . Here we go again. That mighty dollar chase. He will regret it just like last time. I will give yall an update in 30 days . As always i keep an open mind and thses boxes may work great. But give me two sealed subs with lots of power and ill kick that port all the way done the street.But thats just my personal opinion from all the stuff ive installed over the years.And i still can not get the vt boxes out of my head with that bedliner look.

I am digging the grille. that looks pretty cool

P-Dizzle · 01-18-2007, 09:30 PM

Tech and the Dizzle have near 30 years combined install experience fellas. Our advice is for your benefit.

P-Dizzle · 01-18-2007, 09:35 PM

I didn't even like the sprayed in liner in my truck bed let alone my sub enclosure. But that's just me.

Justintoxicated · 01-18-2007, 10:04 PM

Well with 30 years of experience then I'm glad you know you should know to listen to it before you slam it.

I have heard sealed boxes in the CC, to be more specificly rcantu's 12" ARC Audio black cone in a custom fiberglass box.

Thats all I can compare it to at the moment in the titan other than my friends Low profile Bahn that was very unclean despite it being in a sealed box and 1000 watts RMS. I will say that this box sounds good and was alot cheaper than the arc setup. The Arc was a bit more Sq but I would have to have them side by side to really pass that judgement. It also only took up one of the seats and was a 12".

AGAIN I also don't have the production woofer in this box yet! I do know that his setup was quite a bit more expensive. I'll be comparing my setup to my friends 2JL 10W6's in a sealed box designed exactly to subs specs constructed of 3/4th in MDF and sealed nicely. From what I remember I would not trade for this box, but i don't think he deadened his truck either. This was also in in a Chevy with a similar but not identical cab. I will be honest with what I find, but again it is only my opinion and that is all I can offer.

I'm not saying a box can not be built that will sound better or get louder than this one, that kinda statement would be really stupid. But after you guys had me worried that this box would not sound good or be loud enough Psssshhh it's awesome.

As it is I have over 3.5 rolls I believe 4.5 (I think I ordered another roll after that I will have to check my reciepts) of RAAMAT BXT this box is still producing loud vibrations in the roof, if I turn it up more the vibrations just get worse so there goes SQ IMO. So if your really after SQ then sound deadeing is way more important than getting a box louder than this one! I will need another couple rolls if I decide to take it to that level.

My GF will not let my drive with the volume over 1/4th of the way up. I don't drive around with this box turned up all the way it's too loud for me... I'm not 16 anymore and don't need 2 12s in a bandpass box, I like to hear the vocals from my DLS Iridiums which now need a larger amp. The only thing I would even consider is a 10" sealed box that only takes up room under one of the seats as a replacement. But I know it is not going to get as loud as this one without fiberglassing to conserve airspace. It's also hard to find a really loud SQ woofers that requires very little airspace and has less than 5.75 inches of mounting depth for a reasonable price.

Having over 30 years experience with installs has NOTHING to do with this sub. I'm not bashing you just stating the facts, and you should definately take a listen to the box Inside the truck it is designed for. I think you might be suprised this time around.

I dont know if the Assassin will blow or not when I test it, if it does, oh well...it will be fun.

I'll see if I can set something up with my friend who has a Memphis 10" in the exact same truck with similar sound deadening and sterio install.

Again if anyone wants to meet to compare their system (I don't care who made it or where you got it I'm not out to bash other companies) I'd love to meet up to help with my review here.

I been in trucks that have had 12 10" subs installed and heard many other systems. I do have some degree of knowledge of what a good system should sound like. The 10" really seems to play well at all frequencies which leads me to believe the box is tuned low, hence the recomended bass boost.

I like the sprayed liner and I have had bad luck with carpet in the past, I'm not afraid of people in the back kicking this thing, or throwing the seat up to set **** on top of it. again just My Opinion. if I ever have tech12v make me a box I will probably spray it with something similar!

Justintoxicated · 01-18-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by P-Dizzle

I didn't even like the sprayed in liner in my truck bed let alone my sub enclosure. But that's just me.

LOL I would destroy that liner in a week. I got a truck to haul stuff like firewood, my ATV, tires, cans of Gas and Oil furnature etc. But I like my re-sprayed liner

P-Dizzle · 01-18-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Justintoxicated

Well with 30 years of experience then I'm glad you know you should know to listen to it before you slam it. I HAVE HEARD THE PROBOX IN A TITAN AND I DID NOT SLAM IT.

I have heard sealed boxes in the CC, to be more specificly rcantu's 12" ARC Audio black cone in a custom fiberglass box.

Thats all I can compare it to at the moment in the titan other than my friends Low profile Bahn that was very unclean despite it being in a sealed box and 1000 watts RMS. I will say that this box sounds good and was alot cheaper than the arc setup. The Arc was a bit more Sq but I would have to have them side by side to really pass that judgement. It also only took up one of the seats and was a 12".

AGAIN I also don't have the production woofer in this box yet! I do know that his setup was quite a bit more expensive. I'll be comparing my setup to my friends 2JL 10W6's in a sealed box designed exactly to subs specs constructed of 3/4th in MDF and sealed nicely. From what I remember I would not trade for this box, but i don't think he deadened his truck either. This was also in in a Chevy with a similar but not identical cab. I will be honest with what I find, but again it is only my opinion and that is all I can offer.

I'm not saying a box can not be built that will sound better or get louder than this one, that kinda statement would be really stupid. But after you guys had me worried that this box would not sound good or be loud enough Psssshhh it's awesome. I SIMPLY STATED IT WOULD SOUND GOOD AND IT WOULD BE CLEAN. BUT IT WASN'T THE SETUP TO GO WITH IF YOU WANT SERIOUSE BASS.

As it is I have over 3.5 rolls I believe 4.5 (I think I ordered another roll after that I will have to check my reciepts) of RAAMAT BXT this box is still producing loud vibrations in the roof, if I turn it up more the vibrations just get worse so there goes SQ IMO. So if your really after SQ then sound deadeing is way more important than getting a box louder than this one! I will need another couple rolls if I decide to take it to that level. RATTLES ARE MORE COMONLY CAUSED FROM THE FREQUENCY OF THE SUBS NOT THE POWER. I SUGGEST AN AMP WITH A SUBSONIC FILTER.

My GF will not let my drive with the volume over 1/4th of the way up. I don't drive around with this box turned up all the way it's too loud for me... I'm not 16 anymore and don't need 2 12s in a bandpass box, I like to hear the vocals from my DLS Iridiums which now need a larger amp. The only thing I would even consider is a 10" sealed box that only takes up room under one of the seats as a replacement. But I know it is not going to get as loud as this one without fiberglassing to conserve airspace. It's also hard to find a really loud SQ woofers that requires very little airspace and has less than 5.75 inches of mounting depth for a reasonable price. ONCE AGAIN, THE PROBOX IS GOOD FOR MODERATE BASS NOT FOR THOSE SEAKING FOR HUGE BASS. TECH CAN GIVE YOU ABOUT 6.5" OF MOUNTING DEPTH UNDER THE REAR SEAT . THER ARE AN ENDLESS AMOUNT OF SUBS THAT WILL WORK WITHIN THESE PARAMETERS.

Having over 30 years experience with installs has NOTHING to do with this sub. I'm not bashing you just stating the facts, and you should definately take a listen to the box Inside the truck it is designed for. I think you might be suprised this time around.I HAVE HEARD IT IN A CREW CAB TITAN. THOUGH IT MAYBE A LITTLE BETTER IN THE KING CAB, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DOUBLE COMPARED TO ANOTHER SETUP I HAVE HEARD.

I dont know if the Assassin will blow or not when I test it, if it does, oh well...it will be fun. THE ASSASSIN SHOULD WORK IN THAT AMOUNT OF AIRSPACE. PORT TUNING MAY BE AN ISSUE. YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO BLOW IT FROM DISTORTION.

I'll see if I can set something up with my friend who has a Memphis 10" in the exact same truck with similar sound deadening and sterio install.

Again if anyone wants to meet to compare their system (I don't care who made it or where you got it I'm not out to bash other companies) I'd love to meet up to help with my review here. I AM IN ARIZONA.

I been in trucks that have had 12 10" subs installed and heard many other systems. I do have some degree of knowledge of what a good system should sound like. The 10" really seems to play well at all frequencies which leads me to believe the box is tuned low, hence the recomended bass boost.

I like the sprayed liner and I have had bad luck with carpet in the past, I'm not afraid of people in the back kicking this thing, or throwing the seat up to set **** on top of it. again just My Opinion. if I ever have tech12v make me a box I will probably spray it with something similar!

YES. FINISH IS PREFERENCE. MY REPLY IS IN THE RED.

P-Dizzle · 01-18-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Justintoxicated

LOL I would destroy that liner in a week. I got a truck to haul stuff like firewood, my ATV, tires, cans of Gas and Oil furnature etc. But I like my re-sprayed liner

This is one of the most durable liners made period. I had one in my Toyota for 10 years. It is made out of plastic. I am a farm boy from North Dakota and I use to hall my four wheeler on the bed rug and everything else you can think of. Now who is the one talking about something they have never tried or used?

**tech12volt** · 01-18-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Justintoxicated

LOL I would destroy that liner in a week. I got a truck to haul stuff like firewood, my ATV, tires, cans of Gas and Oil furnature etc. But I like my re-sprayed liner

first i wasnt bashing your box. Im glad you like it. really. i am. I am not a fan of the old pro boxes they rattled after about 20 to 30 days. These could be different and i will get a chance to find out . And i will not even get into a pissing match over who knows what sq is or who is louder. Because its useless .I hope it works great for you and it last and last. And its your truck. So the fact that you are happy is a plus.So please do not misunderstand what i say. I make it a point not to bash anything unless i know for a fact its a piece of **** and even then i i try to keep my mouth shut unless asked. And i know for a fact the old pro boxes are a piece of ****. I had to pull one a week out of a vehicle.And i know for a fact a sealed enclosure produces more accurate bass than a ported and that a ported will produce more spl at the tuned frequency and lose some controll as well at all frequensies . Thats not my opinion. Its physics and the way a speaker works.Now that does not mean a ported enclosure just like yours can not sound good. Because i have heard ported enclosures that sound good.And it sounds like yours sounds good to you and thats what matters.

Justintoxicated · 01-18-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by P-Dizzle

This is one of the most durable liners made period. I had one in my Toyota for 10 years. It is made out of plastic. I am a farm boy from North Dakota and I use to hall my four wheeler on the bed rug and everything else you can think of. Now who is the one talking about something they have never tried or used?

I guess I just don't see how the hell you would clean up loads of dirt, or Oil or Sand that gets on Carpet....I would never put carpet in the back of my truck, and no I have not tried that liner. id on't think it would due good sitting out in the rain either but like I said I have not tried it.

Calm down dude...

Not sure how you can magicaly get 6.5 inches of mounting depth out without fiberglass or lifting the rear seat have and room for the sub to work ....I'll believe it when I see it. I mesure about 7 inches total from the floor to the boom of the seat where the 10" in this box sits. -1.5 inches for MDF you only have 5.5 inches to the top of the seat, now where the magnet sits there is a bit more space, but you figure .5 inches behind the back of the sub and at least .5 inches above it and your space is quickly reduced. Sure you can angle the sub if the magnet is small enough, but I have not been able to figure out a way to easily do this. I wanted to get a Fi-Q but ended up with the Assassin.

The vibrations are worse at certain frequencies, but theres nothing you can do about that, hell my comps make the same things vibrate and they are crossed over way higher! Subsonic filter would be a good idea though for the sake of the sub, but it's not going to stop those vibrations or the sound coming from them. Any idea how to stop the windows from vibrating when rolled up?

Which other setup have you heard in the KC?

I figure the assassin will be tuned differently but who knows, that could be a good thing. I'd love to try an amp with a subsonic filter if someone will donate one

Maybe once I get the production sub we can meet up at glamis, drink some beers and go for a spinon the quads? It's about 5 hours from here and about 30 min from the boarder of AZ.

Again for $400 I would not expect to have the best system in the world, but it's loud enough for me and sounds good and clean. Also I did not pay retail on this unit anyways. Way Way Way cleaner than my previous 12" JL's in a bandpass, but that does not say much lol.

Justintoxicated · 01-18-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tech12volt

first i wasnt bashing your box. Im glad you like it. really. i am. I am not a fan of the old pro boxes they rattled after about 20 to 30 days. These could be different and i will get a chance to find out . And i will not even get into a pissing match over who knows what sq is or who is louder. Because its useless .I hope it works great for you and it last and last. And its your truck. So the fact that you are happy is a plus.So please do not misunderstand what i say. I make it a point not to bash anything unless i know for a fact its a piece of **** and even then i i try to keep my mouth shut unless asked. And i know for a fact the old pro boxes are a piece of ****. I had to pull one a week out of a vehicle.And i know for a fact a sealed enclosure produces more accurate bass than a ported and that a ported will produce more spl at the tuned frequency and lose some controll as well at all frequensies . Thats not my opinion. Its physics and the way a speaker works.Now that does not mean a ported enclosure just like yours can not sound good. Because i have heard ported enclosures that sound good.And it sounds like yours sounds good to you and thats what matters.

Yea I'm finding myself to be more of a sealed box guy as well. Which is why I was suprised this sounded so good to me.

I understand about the sealed boxes having better SQ as well but at much less output typicaly 9although not necessarily for the airspace. ia lready had a 600 watt amp I wanted to use, so that already narrowed down my sub selection. Although if the sub is known to be 3 times louder to start with, a sealed box can most definately can sound louder and more clean than the ported one.

Some people also argue that MP3's recorded at 192kbps sound aweful compared to origional CD's but I find this hardly noticable, especialy in car audio. of course they don't sound as good because of the way songs are compressed (hell part of the signal is missing), but that does not mean they still can't sound damn good. Similar logic...

I have not had the box for more than 2 weeks, so I can't testify as to wether it will hold up for months / years or not. Theres no way to know that yet.

I really hope someone will listen to it that has two 10" subs in there truck so I can get a good comparison. Or if anyone just wants to hear it that does not have a system, thats cool too.

This was the best I could afford right now, I need new tires, intake, seat covers, and a million other things as well.

Oh yea, and I know how to spell Received OOPS!

P-Dizzle · 01-19-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Justintoxicated

I guess I just don't see how the hell you would clean up loads of dirt, or Oil or Sand that gets on Carpet....I would never put carpet in the back of my truck, and no I have not tried that liner. id on't think it would due good sitting out in the rain either but like I said I have not tried it.

Calm down dude...

Not sure how you can magicaly get 6.5 inches of mounting depth out without fiberglass or lifting the rear seat have and room for the sub to work ....I'll believe it when I see it. I mesure about 7 inches total from the floor to the boom of the seat where the 10" in this box sits. -1.5 inches for MDF you only have 5.5 inches to the top of the seat, now where the magnet sits there is a bit more space, but you figure .5 inches behind the back of the sub and at least .5 inches above it and your space is quickly reduced. Sure you can angle the sub if the magnet is small enough, but I have not been able to figure out a way to easily do this. I wanted to get a Fi-Q but ended up with the Assassin.

The vibrations are worse at certain frequencies, but theres nothing you can do about that, hell my comps make the same things vibrate and they are crossed over way higher! Subsonic filter would be a good idea though for the sake of the sub, but it's not going to stop those vibrations or the sound coming from them. Any idea how to stop the windows from vibrating when rolled up?

Which other setup have you heard in the KC?

I figure the assassin will be tuned differently but who knows, that could be a good thing. I'd love to try an amp with a subsonic filter if someone will donate one

Maybe once I get the production sub we can meet up at glamis, drink some beers and go for a spinon the quads? It's about 5 hours from here and about 30 min from the boarder of AZ.

Again for $400 I would not expect to have the best system in the world, but it's loud enough for me and sounds good and clean. Also I did not pay retail on this unit anyways. Way Way Way cleaner than my previous 12" JL's in a bandpass, but that does not say much lol.

The liner is a form of plastic. It looks like carpet. If you get gas, dirt, oil or whatever on it, just hose it off. It is pretty neat stuff. I was skeptical of it myself back in the day, but it is durable as hell. Water is not an issue either. A glass bottom in the box that I have would give you 6.5" of mounting depth. There are still many other subs out there that are under 6". I heard 2 10W3's in about 0.7ft^3/chamber. Dude followd me and asked me about my PRG lift and I listened to his stereo here in the Phoenix Area. The JL's sounded great in the truck. 3 times what the W3's do in the crew cab StealthBox. Sometimes you are screwed on rattles. Ported enclosures do tend to make things rattle more. A JL bandpass enclosure has to be built exact without error. The ones that JL sells are a joke. I do an all wood 3/4" MDF bandpass enclosure where the subs are built inside the enclosure and there is no getting them out. If the enclosure is built correctly the finished product is amazing. A tech12volt enclosure and a pair of nice subs will be around $400 as well.