Ford F-150 Pull Challenge to Titan - Page 2

4x4creature · 06-03-2005, 04:00 PM

Geez ... not again, hopfully this thread will turn out differantly.

IMO I think that this should and could be done and everyone would be gentlemen about it.

Armada · 06-03-2005, 04:19 PM

I agree with 37L1. It's about actual performance and not lip flap. My other truck is a F-250 Superduty 7.3 Diesel (old design), so I have some presence on that board as well, and I feel confident that it would drag either the F-150 or a Titan around like a limp rag doll. But that's apples and oranges.

But the F-150 and Titan are close enough for this kind of thing that the outcome is highly likely to depend on driving technique (slow, steady pull, avoiding breaking the tires lose), traction, including choice of tires, and the type of surface the pull would take place on.

If both trucks have Boggers or such on and it turns into a pure high rpm horsepower war, we would win easily, but both trucks might just dig holes until the diffs and frames were on the ground. That kind of contest might be more of a quick draw - whoever gets the jump would have the best chance.

There guys out there who know the techniques that work. I'm not one of them.

I do think our engine and tranny are superior. I'm not sure how the 4x4 low range gearing compares in the transfer case, but you do need 4x4 trucks for this. And if traction is available, our ABLS system should be an advantage over a 4x4 Ford with just a limited slip in the rear. With ABLS you should be able to get all four wheels pulling at the traction loss point.

Weight is a factor, perhaps in the opposite way. I think the heavier truck might actually have an advantage, and I believe the Ford will weigh in heavier.

Also, we should consider that while we have a 4.10 effective ratio, our 33 inch tall tires take some of that away, so there would have to be some adjustment to compensate. I'm not sure 33's will fit on the Ford, so we should be allowed to go down to their tire size.

Just some thoughts. I hope someone in KC is available and knows how to drive. Driver skill may turn out to be the single most important factor.

BTW I have offered over there to do the same thing with my Armada 4x4 against a similarly equipped stock Expey here in south Mississippi, but don't have any takers yet.

CraigG · 06-03-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 37L1

This challenge was posted on another thread that ended up being closed because some knucklehead couldn't behave himself.

Word of caution folks, if this thread even starts to turn, the moderators will take the necessary action to enforce forum rules.

Thanks for your cooperation.

If that knucklehead was me I am sorry I did edit my post I got a little caried away. I had it out with a couple of ford guys and it left a bad taste in my mouth I will keep it clean though if that was my fault? Prob had toooo many LOL

Fordlover55 · 06-04-2005, 09:14 AM

Hi Gentlemen and ladies. First off, I'll let you know that I'm a Moderator over at FTE and my opinions spoken here are my own and not representative of FTE staff or anyone else.

First, I'd like to thank Armada for his polite and thoughtful responses here and in the FTE forum he frequents. Well done. I see Armada's posts frequently in one of the forums I moderate.

I would like to address the issue of FTE folks trying to set up an advantage for the Ford. ( And I will also address this with the folks who are in charge of setting up the ralley.) I have grown to know a lot of the users on FTE and have found them to be as honest and trustworthy as anyone. I'm quite sure that you all feel the same about each others integrety here, also. So, I would be in hopes of as fair a competition as possible. I have even made some suggestions as to additions to the challenge, such as pulling a weighted trailor a certain distance..everyone pulls the same trailor. Also, I asked the committee to see if they can get a tractor pull sled.

In any case, I'm glad to see such interest in the challenge and hope that some of you are able to attend. The owner of FTE fully plans on posting the results and videos on the site. And no... Ken is an honest man...as I would presume the owner of this site is. Would the owner of your site, believing in the Titan as strongly as Ken believes in the F150 really edit or cheat to try to prove a point? That wouldn't be proving any point, it would only make each other look like idiots.

The point of the challenge is that there are some Titan owners who have come to FTE and bragged up the Titan, so the challenge was issued. Hey .. I even suggested that the committee contact some of the Truck mags to cover the event ... and I do know that FoMoCo watches FTE's posts. FoMoCo has nothing to do with this ralley, but I'm quite sure they wouldn't want anyone to do any cheating, either.

I'll keep an eye on this thread from time to time and if anyone has any questions, feel free to message me or stop in at http://www.ford-trucks.com and the Ford Vs The Competition Forum.

Thanks for all your input.
Richard© Moderator - FTE (Fordlover55)

tnbowhunter · 06-04-2005, 09:51 AM

Like I said earlier.................I just wish I lived closer.
I've owned them all, Dodge, Chevy, Toyota, and Fords. I use my truck and all of the trucks that I have owned on my farm to pull logs out of the woods, to tow a trailer with my tractor and equipment, and to pull my camping trailer. And believe me, stock to stock all things being equal the Titan will out pull an F-150. And that's a fact Jack!!!! If the Titan were to loose it would be due to driver error.

Armada · 06-04-2005, 10:09 AM

Lets do two things:

1. Thank Fordlover55 for coming over here and very sincerely and politely suggesting how we might make this thing work. And,

2. Get it on!

If we can get the car or truck mags interested we could use their tech staff people as inspectors to make sure the trucks are as evenly matched as possible.

4x4creature · 06-04-2005, 10:21 AM

Thanks Fordlover55 for your comments and re-assurences on this challenge, Titan talk is a very good site also with lots of good members here

If I was closer and or able to drive the distance, I certainly be willing to do this pull off.

With all things being equel,[weight, tires etc etc..... it would come down to driver skill.

Do you have a driver that is willing to take on this challenge? and are we talking 04's or 05 trucks? 2 wheel or 4x4 ? hi range or low range or both?

is this going to be done on the dirt or pavement? and there are probadly a whole list of other questions that need to be answered both this could happen if it does.

I'm not speaking for anyone here on TT only for myself at this point.
and one last note , the titan will still have an advantage even with all things being equel.......

reds · 06-04-2005, 12:50 PM

Don't do it. it has to be a setup when its math that will tell you the outcome. They have to have a ringer i would bet.

QShip · 06-04-2005, 02:37 PM

Nice post Fordlover55.

stick · 06-04-2005, 03:00 PM

i guess the point of this thread (again!!) is escaping me....what part of 'more hp' and 'more torque' dosen't the f150 guys understand? the stock titan beats the stock f150 in catagories that matter......so.....the only point of this pissing contest is what?

the dynos mean, all things being equal the titan will beat the ford EVERY TIME unless there is driver error.

its not like we are just making up titan numbers and hoping our truck could beat another truck, READ SOME MAGAZINES PEOPLE! i really can't imagine if i was a ford owner wanting to go up against a truck that i KNEW had more horses and torque....

the only thing i could see remotely making sense is if 2 stock trucks could run the same tires/pressure and pull a light sled either on dirt or pavement. that would seem to be a fair test of each ones ability, not this bumper-yank-a-thon.

in reality, i thought thats what these magazine 'head to head' things are about anyway and NUMBERS DON'T LIE....but DRIVERS might!!!

even if the titan won the yank off all we'd hear from good old boys is 'yeah, but if MY truck would have been there.....' i will say it again 'this thread and challenge is LAME'!

please, in the name of all that is good and true in the truck world, let this thread die peacefully never to rise again good comrades!

**HudsonValleyTitan** · 06-04-2005, 03:05 PM

LMAO....Geezus! This sounds more like a "I have a little D__k" contest to me. Some folks need to grow up and realize that a truck is not an extention of their manhood.

Fordlover55 · 06-04-2005, 05:08 PM

If you were to go to FTE and look through the posts, you'd see that there have been a couple of folks who have constantly provoked and challenged the Ford owners over a period of time. Ken, the owner of the site finally basically said put up or shut up. And that was not said by me in any spirit of meanness.

As I've posted on FTE, I think it would be an interesting challenge to actually see, since a lot of people don't believe everything they read in magazines, which we all know have a tendency to be biased toward one make or another.

I have suggested showroom stock trucks from both sides, not that others may not be also compared...I have no control over this contest. The reason I suggest "showroom stock" is because the stories told by the Titan folks who visit FTE has been in general that Titan can out do the F150 under most any circumstance.

None of the official test trucks are to be modified in any way. That means that if you have a Titan with 15" tires, or 17"...or whatever comes from the factory, I imagine we will try to match as closely as possible.

To suggest, in this forum or ours, that either side would cheat is understandable ... but honor dictates that we be as fair as possible. And, yes, cheating is a concern from both sides.

Myself ... I have stated that a hitch to hitch pull off is goofy and I have seen too many pull offs of that type, with all makes and models of vehicles each taking their own win, depending on the driver and who loses traction first. That is whay I have suggested, to the event organizers, that the same weighted trailor be pulled by both trucks and / or a tractor pull sled utilized.

The contest, to me is only an amusement, as it will not make me nor any of you ever change your minds about which vehicle you love to drive and believe in to the core of your being. I have simple needs, which my Fords have always provided in my 48+ years of being a licensed driver. I have a 99 F150 with 64,000 trouble free miles on it. And the only complaint I have with Ford and have stated numerous times on FTE, is that I should be offered a manual transmission behind any size engine currently offered, instead of being forced to drive an automatic, if I want more than 4.6 liters. But that's neither here nor there...I'm sure you guys have had some type of complaint about your own vehicles, major or minor... it isn't relevant and doesn't concern me.

There will always be challenges of some type or another...be it a drag race, mud bog, who can fall the fastest over a cliff... as long as people are walking the planet. I see no urinating match here.... only another fair and balanced match. This isn't NASCAR where we all have to be "equal"... this is a match between pure stock vehicles in front of, hopefully a large group of people to witness it all. THEN...let the magazines write about it.

Anyway, I wish you all a good evening and an even better tomorrow.
Richard© FTE Moderator- Fordlover55

sc186 · 06-04-2005, 05:31 PM

Go have a read. Maybe, just maybe you can absorb some of the data presented and just drop this "my truck is faster/ pulls better than yours" deal. The whole thing looks silly.

http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Test...04-4way-2.html

Enjoy. And you may want to sit down. You are about to learn that every vehicle has its shortcomings and that your F series really is as slow as it feels.

If this isn't enough, there are numberous other tests with similar data.

Yomama · 06-04-2005, 06:56 PM

Lighten up guys. Magazines do do these tests, but some how I recall one magazine putting the Chevy as best rated? Huh? NOBODY trust the magazines words so to speak. My hat (Titan hat) is off to Fordlover55, he isn't over here to cause problems. You guys should take the time to go over and read the thread in question. I think this would be totally awsome. If someone in the area is willing. To have some magazines there for US including the Ford owners to challenge what they say. Como'n guys it should all be in good fun.

abmobil · 06-04-2005, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stick

i guess the point of this thread (again!!) is escaping me....what part of 'more hp' and 'more torque' dosen't the f150 guys understand? the stock titan beats the stock f150 in catagories that matter......so.....the only point of this pissing contest is what?

the dynos mean, all things being equal the titan will beat the ford EVERY TIME unless there is driver error.

its not like we are just making up titan numbers and hoping our truck could beat another truck, READ SOME MAGAZINES PEOPLE! i really can't imagine if i was a ford owner wanting to go up against a truck that i KNEW had more horses and torque....

the only thing i could see remotely making sense is if 2 stock trucks could run the same tires/pressure and pull a light sled either on dirt or pavement. that would seem to be a fair test of each ones ability, not this bumper-yank-a-thon.

in reality, i thought thats what these magazine 'head to head' things are about anyway and NUMBERS DON'T LIE....but DRIVERS might!!!

even if the titan won the yank off all we'd hear from good old boys is 'yeah, but if MY truck would have been there.....' i will say it again 'this thread and challenge is LAME'!

please, in the name of all that is good and true in the truck world, let this thread die peacefully never to rise again good comrades!

Exactly!!!!!