Titan Vs F 150

[yamatitan]

Originally Posted by Blown330

Yeah, almost 400 hp and 476 lb-ft at the wheels on my stock transmission. 3 years of boost and still perfectly happy. That's what happens.

Do you have a stock transmission that comes in your average f150? If so your one of the few lucky ones. Guess what? There are actually for real supercharged titans with no problems either, imagine that!

[rynomx785]

Originally Posted by TitanGreg06

I think comparing a Titan to a F150 is an open and shut case, when it comes to the everyday person the Titan is the clear winner. I dont know how many articles I have read of the Titan blowing the F150 out of the water, in the half ton market we are second only to the tundra.

Heres a video, watch how the F150 comes in last in every test.

We aren't second to the Tundra in looks! lol I still say that it is the ugliest truck ever made. They are fast though.

[TitanGreg06]

Originally Posted by Blown330

Yeah, almost 400 hp and 476 lb-ft at the wheels on my stock transmission. 3 years of boost and still perfectly happy. That's what happens. Oh, if you two know anything about torque converters, the one in my truck has a nearly 2:1 ratio (like most trucks)...so double that 476 to see what my transmission actually has on input.

Everyone knows the big three needs to get their trannys rebuilt to handle that much power, your not fooling anyone. What about that video of the F150 getting its butt kicked? Dont have a comment for that? Like I said the F150 down right blows in the real world, anyone can make something fast if they put enough money it. Post a video of your nice pick-up or someone elses F-150 doing something great or shut it already, its not our fault F150s dont perform.
Btw the SC titans here are putting down more power than yours and most are doing fine. Has ford ever built anything fast that was NA like dodge or chevy? Nope atleast its not in the same price range anyways. Post some proof and rest your case anyone can talk forever but i have seen any proof posted by you yet...

[Blown330]

Originally Posted by TitanGreg06

Everyone knows the big three needs to get their trannys rebuilt to handle that much power, your not fooling anyone. Post some proof and rest your case anyone can talk forever but i have seen any proof posted by you yet...

Post what? Pull my transmission apart to show you the stock clutches and bands? Get real. Transmission has never been out of my truck and all I've done is change the transmission fluid out of it. The stock 4R70Ws, 4R100's, GM 4L80's, can take power. What kills them are people who jack up the line pressure to firm up the shifts. All that does is burn up the pump and solenoids.

[TitanGreg06]

Originally Posted by Blown330

Post what? Pull my transmission apart to show you the stock clutches and bands? Get real. Transmission has never been out of my truck and all I've done is change the transmission fluid out of it. The stock 4R70Ws, 4R100's, GM 4L80's, can take power. What kills them are people who jack up the line pressure to firm up the shifts. All that does is burn up the pump and solenoids.

Talk, talk ,talk, post something of a NA F150 doing anything but getting its butt kicked, I could talk all the crap I wanted to, but I dont because everyone knows what a titan can do because it has nothing to hide. Again no comment on the F150 getting its butt kicked? Get real and show something, chevys and dodges can, why not ford? You talk alot of crap and never show anything to back it up.

[[SC]Titan]

let's see some vids of your truck at the strip, on the street, or on the dyno....let's see some dyno graphs...

all I see out of you is a bunch of talk...spending your whole life trying to defend an inferior product...even if your truck puts that kind of power down i bet its barely in the 13's...esp if you still have the stock trans as claimed

[Blown330]

Originally Posted by TitanGreg06

Again no comment on the F150 getting its butt kicked?

No, I know they are dogs without a power-adder. Do you need help with the obvious or something? Of course that has nothing to do with my transmission either. Oh, for a n/a 5.4L 2V F-150 look up a guy called "NEAL" and his truck. 13.60 on 7 cylinders (dropped a ring), no boost, no nitrous. He might have a few videos but I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Originally Posted by [SC]Titan

let's see some vids of your truck at the strip, on the street, or on the dyno....let's see some dyno graphs...

I don't do requests pal. My truck is what it is and if you have a hard time with that then come down and line up with me.

[[SC]Titan]

Originally Posted by Blown330

I don't do requests pal. My truck is what it is and if you have a hard time with that then come down and line up with me.

i think you're the one that has a hard time with how your truck is considering you have to come to a titan site and defend it every chance you get b/c it cant stand on its own...

and if you were in the area i gladly would race you but i sure as hell aren't driving to LA to do so...

[miketan]

Originally Posted by Blown330

You proved you know nothing. Where did I say "no matter what the situation was"? Oh that's right, I didn't. Good job putting words in my mouth. I knew the 4V heads could improve power just based on the 4V Navigator motors (which I already brought up, too bad you can't read well). Keep trying though.

Unfortunately, I proved you wrong and you have to live with that. In fact, you even contradicted yourself over the 4v head issue by stating...."while the 5.4 would get a 'bigger HP' bump from the 4v heads it would do very little for torque". While a few posts down you said the exact opposite.... "DOHC (4v heads) won't solve the 'HP problem' of the 5.4L in naturally aspirated form. Talk about a huge flip flop from someone who claims to be so knowledgeable about engines.

If I believed you could comprehend the information I would. I know you lack even a fundamental understanding of such things.

I've engaged in a fairly intelligent discourse about engines in this thread. Everybody viewing this thread can hopefully attest to that. If I didn't, I would've got flamed by everyone on the first post.

The sad thing is you're back pedaling now because you're afraid of looking embarassed if you actually posted the tuning graphs. Due to all the "I'll huff and puff and blow your house down" rhetoric you've spewed so vehemently in this thread, I don't blame you. If you actually knew as much as you say you do, you would post the graphs and be done with it. I'm sure some of the more experienced tuners in this thread could learn a few things from such a self-proclaimed expert. After all, except for nominal architecture and displacement differences, engines are basically air pumps when it comes to tuning. Fuel, spark and timing. Don't weasel out now, post the graphs so we can all learn from your so-called "wealth of knowledge" experience. We're yearning to learn from the master tuner extraordinare

Superior engine. The transmissions and rearends in your trucks are nothing to crow about. I wouldn't waste my gas racing your truck either....

You're "blown" and have "400hp/476tq" and wouldn't race a stock Titan? If I had that kind of power, I'd be chomping at the bit every chance I got. Then again, the Roush stage 3 F-150's have more HP and they run a shameful 14.8-15.0 in the 1/4. A tick or two faster, if that, than a completety bone stock '08 Titan. So, I can sympathize for not wanting to race stock Titans.lol!

Transmissions? Now I know you're clueless. Our transmissions are excellent. The best out there save for the Allision 6spd. Most of the parts are made/assembled in Japan so the quality is second to none. If you're going to talk against the Titan, do it intelligently. Unfortunately, lord only knows what the new 6sp automatics are going to bring to Ford owners problem-wise. However, they'll continue to take it up the rear like always and remain loyalists to the bitter end.

You are totally a lost cause. I have been more than helpful with others on this sight dealing with Titans as well as anyone driving any truck with any engine in it. You are simply too pigheaded and too willfully ignorant to understand so you can do nothing but insult other engines you know nothing about. I've said plenty of nice things about the Titans engine (and Nissan's engines in general if you knew how to pay attention) but I also know it has weaknesses like any other engine. THAT is called being objective...something you know nothing about.

You've basically conceded to everything I've said and you call me a lost cause? Now, that's a laugh.

All engines do have weakenesses, but that's being a bit too relativistic. Some engines are inherently better than others and the Endurance is one of them. Forged steel crank, forged connecting rods, all aluminum block, superior flowing DOHC 32v heads and a more favorable rod to stroke ratio are just a few. Compared to the Endurance, the N/A 5.4L is just a 550lb paper weight.

[Blown330]

Originally Posted by miketan

Unfortunately, I proved you wrong and you have to live with that. In fact, you even contradicted yourself over the 4v head issue by stating...."while the 5.4 would get a 'bigger HP' bump from the 4v heads it would do very little for torque". While a few posts down you said the exact opposite.... "DOHC (4v heads) won't solve the 'HP problem' of the 5.4L in naturally aspirated form. Talk about a huge flip flop from someone who claims to be so knowledgeable about engines.

Because they won't solve the HP problem. Even the 4V heads made the exact same 300hp on the 5.4L as the 3V's do now, and less torque. So if the 3V's are already deficient, how would the 4V heads help? Give me a good reason and not some BS either like that DOHC rhetoric because there is obviously more going on.

Originally Posted by miketan

I've engaged in a fairly intelligent discourse about engines in this thread. Everybody viewing this thread can hopefully attest to that. If I didn't, I would've got flamed by everyone on the first post.

No you haven't. You are trying to tell me, someone who's been working with this engine architecture for years, what does or does not work on them. You don't know, you can only make assumptions. If you did this on another forum you would be getting flamed, badly.

Originally Posted by miketan

The sad thing is you're back pedaling now because you're afraid of looking embarassed if you actually posted the tuning graphs.

And why would I be embarrassed over a few boost, AFR, RPM, and a couple of voltages that would be meaningless (and quite incomprehensible) to you?

Originally Posted by miketan

I'm sure some of the more experienced tuners in this thread could learn a few things from such a self-proclaimed expert.

Check my posts, I give my advice quite freely to those who want to listen.

Originally Posted by miketan

You're "blown" and have "400hp/476tq" and wouldn't race a stock Titan? If I had that kind of power, I'd be chomping at the bit every chance I got.

And you won't race other F-150's for the same reason? Hypocrite.

Originally Posted by miketan

Transmissions? Now I know you're clueless. Our transmissions are excellent. The best out there save for the Allision 6spd. Most of the parts are made/assembled in Japan so the quality is second to none.

This leads me to the question why, when anyone mentions a transmission problem in a new Jeep they are so quick to jump on Chrysler's case?

Originally Posted by miketan

All engines do have weakenesses, but that's being a bit too relativistic. Some engines are inherently better than others and the Endurance is one of them. Forged steel crank, forged connecting rods, all aluminum block, superior flowing DOHC 32v heads and a more favorable rod to stroke ratio are just a few. Compared to the Endurance, the N/A 5.4L is just a 550lb paper weight.

5.4's have forged steel cranks and I prefer an iron block's inherent strength over an aluminum block. What are the stock flow numbers on the 5.6's heads anyway? Interesting bringing up the rod/stroke ratio, now go back and figure that into you argument for the 4V heads on these truck and see what you come up with.

[TitanGreg06]

Dude I showed you proof. You have not, your the one defending a weak truck. Dont hate us because it took Nissan one time to build a half ton truck that beat Ford, Dodge, and Chevy (which had plenty of years to perfect). Again show us something great or shut it.

[Blown330]

Originally Posted by TitanGreg06

Dont hate us because it took Nissan one time to build a half ton truck that beat Ford, Dodge, and Chevy (which had plenty of years to perfect).

Is that why the Titan is getting out-sourced?


You've showed nothing. Prove to me how adding 4V heads to the current 5.4L's would make up all the HP that doesn't involve hand built engines. Remember, all of this kicked off because

Looking at the total picture, I see that the 5.4L desperately needs HP not TQ. Going to a DOHC 4v per cylinder setup would increase HP dramatically.

Yet the Navigator's had 4V heads and made the same hp the 3V heads do. Post YOUR proof because I know the 4V heads won't solve the issue for all of the reasons I've listed yet you still seem to think otherwise.

[TitanGreg06]

I'm not aruging that. This is a F150 Vs Titan thread. Show me where the F150 holds a flame to the Titan. I showed you how bad it performes in the real world. Again show me a video of the F150 doing something great, the worlds #1 selling truck should have something out there dont you think?

[TitanGreg06]

Show some proof or shut the hell up already this is getting old.

[Blown330]

Originally Posted by TitanGreg06

I'm not aruging that. This is a F150 Vs Titan thread. Show me where the F150 holds a flame to the Titan. I showed you how bad it performes in the real world. Again show me a video of the F150 doing something great, the worlds #1 selling truck should have something out there dont you think?

I'm not arguing the Titan can beat a n/a F-150. When have I in this thread? You made a BS assertion about the 4V heads and I corrected you. Live with it.