Titan Vs F 150

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by TNMan

Oh, so wrong. Why would I ever buy a new pos truck when I can have a truck that was built to last. An older truck that will still be running while your Titans are in the dealerships.

But that's off the subject.

You ignored the fact that you guys are all so happy to see a Titan win a race against something else, but forget the fact that Ford dominates your *** in towing. Again, who buys a truck to go fast? Grow up. Trucks are meant to tow, and Ford wins.

I agree 100%, what kind of a moron would buy a truck to race, towing capacity is where it's at to be sure.

These kids in there trucks need to grow up and quit being so enamored with a stupid pastime like racing trucks.

Well, I bought my truck because I needed a cheap four seater truck that I could also haul stuff with and I came from an F-150 with the 4.6l, what a dog, I couldn't hardy get out of my own way. They wanted about 3000 more for the truck with the mighty 5.4l engine and it's a dog compared to the 5.6l in my Titan as well.

I didn't buy a truck to race it and had no intention of ever bringing a truck to the drag strip but after coming around the forums for TSB's and general information, I saw what these trucks were capable of and got hooked on the performance of the truck as well.

Is it silly, you bet your butt it is and I have never had as much fun as spanking sports cars in a pickup truck and although there is something really wrong with racing P/U trucks, I can't help myself, lol.

Apparently we are not alone as you can see by the photos I attached, I guess it's just addictive, to go quick in a Pickup. To each their own and if towing is what you are interested in, war stories is the wrong place in the forum for you, lol.

[Blown330]

Originally Posted by miketan

With all this so-called "vast amount" of knowledge on modular motors, why are you arguing for off-idle torque? Is that the only positive attribute you can muster up for the 5.4L? Oh yeah, I almost forgot. They're also good for S/C'ing. If the Endurance was S/C'ed, it'd still make more power. I was just using the Cobra R reference as an example of what could be done with the right heads and some rotating assembly upgrades. Sure, you'd have to spin it and undersquare motors like the 5.4L don't like to be rev'ed. However, you implied nothing could be gained from 4v heads on a 5.4L. Unfortunately, even with all your "vast" knowledge on mod motors, I proved you wrong. Carillo billet I-beam rods? Yadda yadda yadda. Maybe if Ford started spending some money on rotating assembly upgrades, they could get the performance up to competitive levels. With excuses like "it'll cost too much" and "they're only PU trucks", I feel like I'm talking to a Ford bean counter.

I feel like I'm talking to an idiot. The off-idle torque came up because you suck at math and made an assumption...end of discussion on that subject. You have absolutely NO clue what you are talking about. You brought up the Cobra R because you thought you knew what you were talking about. I don't have to prove you wrong because you are doing a fine job of that yourself. I said there was LITTLE power to be gained on the 5.4's just by using the 4V heads as they are. That stands because I know the limitations of these engines, you attempted to bolster your logic with a car that used a hand built engine with top shelf engine parts. Your argument utterly failed at that point. Yeah...no problem just putting connecting rods in truck engines that cost $2,500+ per set....

Originally Posted by miketan

There you go again with that reading comprehension problem. I'll say it again. GM keeps increasing the displacement on the LSX based truck engines to provide more useable torque in the powerband. People don't like to be reving up their 1/2 ton trucks to 5000rpm to get power. To put it simply, so hopefully even you can understand, this equates to more "area" under the curve. You don't have to rev a larger displacement engine as high to get useable torque. You can use less throttle input per gear to get the weight rolling .

www.performancetrucks.net All the info to prove how little you know about LSx based engines used in the trucks.

Originally Posted by miketan

The fact is there's not going to be a Nissan Titan as we know it when those big displacement modulars eventually come out. So, there won't be any 5.6L Endurance to compare unless you're talking about the next gen Armada/QX56. Those are supposed to be coming out with a revised 400hp/400tq Endurance powerplant. When the big modulars do come out for the F-150, you'll have to start formulating arguments against the newly revised DCX 5.7 Hemi that's going in the '09 Ram. That's what's going to be in the next Ram based Nissan 1/2 ton.

Sucks for ya'll I guess. Doesn't change the fact Ford is still building that engine which will take car of the only real shortcoming the 5.4's have.

Originally Posted by miketan

You weren't mentioning TQ management or spark timing. You were talking about "breathing through a straw" intakes and "restrictive" exhaust systems. Everybody and their uncle knows about the immense TQ management GM has on those engines. Tell us something we don't know. However, even with a tune, a 5.3L is still slower than a stock untuned Titan so who cares.

You've never dealt with a properly tuned 5.3L GM truck.

Originally Posted by miketan

If so, then you should be "defending" the 5.6L Endurance as well. The Titan is detuned from the factory just like the others so why not talk up virtues of the Titan? The reason I'm so heavily biased towards the Titan, as you aptly put it, is because this is a Nissan "Titan" site. It's not called F-150 talk. It's not called GM truck talk. It's not called Dodge Ram talk. It's called Titan Talk. Of course I'm going to be pro Titan and pro 5.6L Endurance. It may be the war stories section, but it's still a Titan site last time I checked.

Piss poor excuse for you making assumptions. I own a Ford yet I still don't have a problem learning as much as I can about other brands and do so with an objective mindset.

[TitanGreg06]

Defending ford seems like a full time job lol, maybe once they do build this engine you speak of you can get some sleep at night because the truck will speak for its self like ours do. Btw my best friend has a Silverado SS with the 6.0 and is tuned by Nelsons here in SA and I can beat him pretty easy so I dont see how the 5.3 would have a chance in hell. Maybe one day though I will run into one of these fast chevys everyone speaks of.

[Matooch]

Blown330, this is Titan Talk and I don't think you are going to get anyone to change their minds about whose trucks are the best. You like your Ford and people here on "Titan Talk" like their Titans and that's just the way it is. I like my Lightning but I don't knock other people's rides and get into pissing contests with them, especially not on their forum. At least we all agree on owning trucks...........

[Blown330]

Originally Posted by TitanGreg06

Defending ford seems like a full time job lol, maybe once they do build this engine you speak of you can get some sleep at night because the truck will speak for its self like ours do. Btw my best friend has a Silverado SS with the 6.0 and is tuned by Nelsons here in SA and I can beat him pretty easy so I dont see how the 5.3 would have a chance in hell. Maybe one day though I will run into one of these fast chevys everyone speaks of.

I have a friend with a locally tuned 5.3 RCSB Silverado with a CAI, exhaust, and a converter. You wouldn't stand a chance against that truck (13.58). I'm working on another truck doing a 6.0 swap, same mods, some good tires and that truck will crack 12's. I sleep very well at night to be sure...

[HawaiiTitan]

A girl that works at my daughter's pre-school has a Silverado SS, well it's actually her boyfriends truck. I was rapping out with her last week and she said it has a 411 stroker, nitrous but don't know how big of a shot, headers, exhaust, and someother bolton's. I asked if they ran it at the track and she said it ran low 12's.

I might go rap out with the bf and try to set up a track day. Not much street trucks at the drags here.