Titan Vs F 150

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by TNMan

Oh, so wrong. Why would I ever buy a new pos truck when I can have a truck that was built to last. An older truck that will still be running while your Titans are in the dealerships.

But that's off the subject.

You ignored the fact that you guys are all so happy to see a Titan win a race against something else, but forget the fact that Ford dominates your *** in towing. Again, who buys a truck to go fast? Grow up. Trucks are meant to tow, and Ford wins.

I agree 100%, what kind of a moron would buy a truck to race, towing capacity is where it's at to be sure.

These kids in their trucks need to grow up and quit being so enamored with a stupid pastime like racing trucks.

Well, I bought my truck because I needed a cheap four seater truck that I could also haul stuff with and I came from an F-150 with the 4.6l, what a dog, I couldn't hardy get out of my own way. They wanted about 3000 more for the truck with the mighty 5.4l engine and it's a dog compared to the 5.6l in my Titan as well.

I didn't buy a truck to race it and had no intention of ever bringing a truck to the drag strip but after coming around the forums for TSB's and general information, I saw what these trucks were capable of and got hooked on the performance of the truck as well.

Is it silly, you bet your butt it is and I have never had as much fun as spanking sports cars in a pickup truck and although there is something really wrong with racing P/U trucks, I can't help myself, lol.

Apparently we are not alone as you can see by the photos I attached, I guess it's just addictive, to go quick in a Pickup. To each their own and if towing is what you are interested in, war stories is the wrong place in the forum for you, lol.

[Blown330]

Originally Posted by miketan

With all this so-called "vast amount" of knowledge on modular motors, why are you arguing for off-idle torque? Is that the only positive attribute you can muster up for the 5.4L? Oh yeah, I almost forgot. They're also good for S/C'ing. If the Endurance was S/C'ed, it'd still make more power. I was just using the Cobra R reference as an example of what could be done with the right heads and some rotating assembly upgrades. Sure, you'd have to spin it and undersquare motors like the 5.4L don't like to be rev'ed. However, you implied nothing could be gained from 4v heads on a 5.4L. Unfortunately, even with all your "vast" knowledge on mod motors, I proved you wrong. Carillo billet I-beam rods? Yadda yadda yadda. Maybe if Ford started spending some money on rotating assembly upgrades, they could get the performance up to competitive levels. With excuses like "it'll cost too much" and "they're only PU trucks", I feel like I'm talking to a Ford bean counter.

I feel like I'm talking to an idiot. The off-idle torque came up because you suck at math and made an assumption...end of discussion on that subject. You have absolutely NO clue what you are talking about. You brought up the Cobra R because you thought you knew what you were talking about. I don't have to prove you wrong because you are doing a fine job of that yourself. I said there was LITTLE power to be gained on the 5.4's just by using the 4V heads as they are. That stands because I know the limitations of these engines, you attempted to bolster your logic with a car that used a hand built engine with top shelf engine parts. Your argument utterly failed at that point. Yeah...no problem just putting connecting rods in truck engines that cost $2,500+ per set....

Originally Posted by miketan

There you go again with that reading comprehension problem. I'll say it again. GM keeps increasing the displacement on the LSX based truck engines to provide more useable torque in the powerband. People don't like to be reving up their 1/2 ton trucks to 5000rpm to get power. To put it simply, so hopefully even you can understand, this equates to more "area" under the curve. You don't have to rev a larger displacement engine as high to get useable torque. You can use less throttle input per gear to get the weight rolling .

www.performancetrucks.net All the info to prove how little you know about LSx based engines used in the trucks.

Originally Posted by miketan

The fact is there's not going to be a Nissan Titan as we know it when those big displacement modulars eventually come out. So, there won't be any 5.6L Endurance to compare unless you're talking about the next gen Armada/QX56. Those are supposed to be coming out with a revised 400hp/400tq Endurance powerplant. When the big modulars do come out for the F-150, you'll have to start formulating arguments against the newly revised DCX 5.7 Hemi that's going in the '09 Ram. That's what's going to be in the next Ram based Nissan 1/2 ton.

Sucks for ya'll I guess. Doesn't change the fact Ford is still building that engine which will take car of the only real shortcoming the 5.4's have.

Originally Posted by miketan

You weren't mentioning TQ management or spark timing. You were talking about "breathing through a straw" intakes and "restrictive" exhaust systems. Everybody and their uncle knows about the immense TQ management GM has on those engines. Tell us something we don't know. However, even with a tune, a 5.3L is still slower than a stock untuned Titan so who cares.

You've never dealt with a properly tuned 5.3L GM truck.

Originally Posted by miketan

If so, then you should be "defending" the 5.6L Endurance as well. The Titan is detuned from the factory just like the others so why not talk up virtues of the Titan? The reason I'm so heavily biased towards the Titan, as you aptly put it, is because this is a Nissan "Titan" site. It's not called F-150 talk. It's not called GM truck talk. It's not called Dodge Ram talk. It's called Titan Talk. Of course I'm going to be pro Titan and pro 5.6L Endurance. It may be the war stories section, but it's still a Titan site last time I checked.

Piss poor excuse for you making assumptions. I own a Ford yet I still don't have a problem learning as much as I can about other brands and do so with an objective mindset.

[TitanGreg06]

Defending ford seems like a full time job lol, maybe once they do build this engine you speak of you can get some sleep at night because the truck will speak for its self like ours do. Btw my best friend has a Silverado SS with the 6.0 and is tuned by Nelsons here in SA and I can beat him pretty easy so I dont see how the 5.3 would have a chance in hell. Maybe one day though I will run into one of these fast chevys everyone speaks of.

[Matooch]

Blown330, this is Titan Talk and I don't think you are going to get anyone to change their minds about whose trucks are the best. You like your Ford and people here on "Titan Talk" like their Titans and that's just the way it is. I like my Lightning but I don't knock other people's rides and get into pissing contests with them, especially not on their forum. At least we all agree on owning trucks...........

[Blown330]

Originally Posted by TitanGreg06

Defending ford seems like a full time job lol, maybe once they do build this engine you speak of you can get some sleep at night because the truck will speak for its self like ours do. Btw my best friend has a Silverado SS with the 6.0 and is tuned by Nelsons here in SA and I can beat him pretty easy so I dont see how the 5.3 would have a chance in hell. Maybe one day though I will run into one of these fast chevys everyone speaks of.

I have a friend with a locally tuned 5.3 RCSB Silverado with a CAI, exhaust, and a converter. You wouldn't stand a chance against that truck (13.58). I'm working on another truck doing a 6.0 swap, same mods, some good tires and that truck will crack 12's. I sleep very well at night to be sure...

[HawaiiTitan]

A girl that works at my daughter's pre-school has a Silverado SS, well it's actually her boyfriends truck. I was rapping out with her last week and she said it has a 411 stroker, nitrous but don't know how big of a shot, headers, exhaust, and someother bolton's. I asked if they ran it at the track and she said it ran low 12's.

I might go rap out with the bf and try to set up a track day. Not much street trucks at the drags here.

[miketan]

Originally Posted by Blown330

I feel like I'm talking to an idiot. The off-idle torque came up because you suck at math and made an assumption...end of discussion on that subject. You have absolutely NO clue what you are talking about. You brought up the Cobra R because you thought you knew what you were talking about. I don't have to prove you wrong because you are doing a fine job of that yourself. I said there was LITTLE power to be gained on the 5.4's just by using the 4V heads as they are. That stands because I know the limitations of these engines, you attempted to bolster your logic with a car that used a hand built engine with top shelf engine parts. Your argument utterly failed at that point. Yeah...no problem just putting connecting rods in truck engines that cost $2,500+ per set....

What assumptions? The Endurance is rated at MORE torque at a LOWER rpm than the 5.4L. If there's anyone who doesn't have a clue, it is sadly you. Bolster my logic? Don't make me laugh. I PROVED using 4v heads on the Triton could be done to extract MORE power. Top shelf parts or not, you said 4v heads were worthless on the 5.4L no matter what the situation was. I proved you wrong with the Cobra R example. Your ego has to live with that. Forged connecting rods? OMG! lol! The 5.6L Endurance has forged rods. Maybe if Ford used a few quality components, they could've eeked out a little more power to propel that heavy a$$ frame to competitive performance levels.

As for this ridiculous off-idle torque you like celebrating so much, it doesn't matter. The Endurance makes MORE total torque at a LOWER rpm than the 5.4L Triton. Math doesn't get any simplier than that Einstein. Who defends "off-idle" torque as a positive attribute of a less powerful engine anyway? If that's the case, then my old L98 rules all including you and your buddy. Just rev the more powerful engine (5.6L Endurance) towards the power peak and go. The Endurance makes MORE torque at a LOWER rpm than the 5.4L Triton. How many times do I have to say it. Only a Furd marketing executive would defend "off-idle" torque as a superior attribute of the 5.4L just like the ridiculous maximum towing numbers. A fools paradise I guess.

www.performancetrucks.net All the info to prove how little you know about LSx based engines used in the trucks.

Wow! All this bravado coming from a guy who likes to hyperlink cheesy sites on the web to prove his point. My 10 year old neice can do that. Oh yeah, post the screenshots of the tuning graphs from your so-called "wealth of knowledge" tuning abilities. I would like to see them.

Sucks for ya'll I guess. Doesn't change the fact Ford is still building that engine which will take car of the only real shortcoming the 5.4's have.

No, it sucks for Ford F-150 owners who have to defend the 5.4L Triton on a Titan site. I'm glad I got a Titan with a superior powertrain when I go smoke Furd F-150's with the 5.4L . In fact, I don't even waste the gas anymore because I know the eventual outcome. They can't keep up.

You've never dealt with a properly tuned 5.3L GM truck.

Bring 'em. Tune or no tune, the Endurance still beats the 5.3L. That is, unless there are other mods than just tuning. Of course, mod for mod the Endurance still takes it so who cares.

Piss poor excuse for you making assumptions. I own a Ford yet I still don't have a problem learning as much as I can about other brands and do so with an objective mindset.

Objective mindset? Yeah right. You mean just for your own truck and your buddy's that you tune? Talk about being selective. Why not apply those objective principles to the DOHC 32v quad cam engine architecture like the Titan/Tundra. Still haven't read one positive attribute of those motors from you. Well, that they can smoke F150's with the N/A 5.4L Triton, but everybody knows that. The 5.4L Triton is a boat anchor just like the SBC 305, but Furd loyalists seem to defend it to their dying day. At least the SBC guys see the light.

Oh yeah, don't forget to post the tuning graphs from your buddy's 5.3L or any others. I as well as others on this site would like to see how well a "wealth of knowledge" math expert can tune. Still waiting.....

[[SC]Titan]

if I were a mod I would ban plenty of people in this thread....

this site is called TITAN TALK

and it's called that for a ****ing reason

I HATE when people join this site that don't even have a ****ing Titan just so they can bash and/or defend whatever vehicle it is that they happen to have...get a ****in life already

5.6 Titan > 5.4 F150

if you don't like the facts....GTFO and go to a Ford site where you can all be miserable together and make up stories about how your stock F150 with the 5.4L beat a supercharged titan hell even beating a stock Hemi ram would be made up but have at it

[rynomx785]

Originally Posted by Matooch

Blown330, this is Titan Talk and I don't think you are going to get anyone to change their minds about whose trucks are the best. You like your Ford and people here on "Titan Talk" like their Titans and that's just the way it is. I like my Lightning but I don't knock other people's rides and get into pissing contests with them, especially not on their forum. At least we all agree on owning trucks...........

You just won the entire argument in my eyes I have no problem at all with F 150 guys being on this forum but dont tell us that your F 150's are better on our own forum! If I come to your F 150 forum (wont happen considering I dont drive an F 150) then feel free to say whatever you want.

[rynomx785]

Originally Posted by Blown330

I have a friend with a locally tuned 5.3 RCSB Silverado with a CAI, exhaust, and a converter. You wouldn't stand a chance against that truck (13.58). I'm working on another truck doing a 6.0 swap, same mods, some good tires and that truck will crack 12's. I sleep very well at night to be sure...

Now your sticking up for Chevy's!? GO AWAY!!!!!!

[socaliallstar82]

man i get crap from guys on the ford site just for having a toyota, dont even have to say anything. Well from one guy really. I thinks its cause they have little pee pee's. Unless you have a lightning that is. The only real ford truck worth having.

[[SC]Titan]

Originally Posted by socaliallstar82

man i get crap from guys on the ford site just for having a toyota, dont even have to say anything. Well from one guy really. I thinks its cause they have little pee pee's. Unless you have a lightning that is. The only real ford truck worth having.

that's bc most are dumb rednecks who think that if it says toyota that it was made in japan eventhough the truck is made in the USA and has a bigger engine than their truck has...

its funny bc a lot of the "american" vehicles are made in mexico and the like while the "japanese" vehicles are made in the USA by american workers but they are too lazy and/or stupid to actually do some reading/investigation to "edumicate" themselves...

[socaliallstar82]

yeah. that, and they have little pee pee's.

[Scandall]

long time reader first time poster here.

I have to say I love you guys honestly.

I own a 05 F150 I didn't know it was the slowest and least powered till I bought it, but I still love it and on occasion I do manage a win.

The reason I joined your site was because your the only ones with cool race stories. I haven't yet found a ford site (besides the lightnings) that has a section for racing. They deal with ford being the slowest by not mentioning it. And then the ever famous "trucks are for towing" comment. I really really really hate the F150 sites they are the worse, they use every excuse in the book for why ford is the best.

It basicaly goes.. 1.) Trucks aren't for racing
2.) Mine is better built
3.) why would I want anything else
4.) Just wait till the new truck comes out.

So I'm just hear to read your stories and on occasion give you guys a laugh about me beating someone (probably not a titan-not looking forward to racing one). Also help you guys rag on the trolls that say F150 are awesome etc.

With that said:
The F-150 is not the best selling truck on the market!!!!!!!!!!!!
The F-series is!!!!!!!!! The F- series includes all F150's F250, 350's etc. Every F'in F truck!!

Why you no see Titans on the job site? Hmmm fleet vehicles. Ford will sell an F150 for 10,000 were nissan won't. Ford has a 4.6 and Nissan only has the 5.6 so when you buy a Nissan you get the best motor and that cost more. Also I don't think Nissan even has a fleet vehicle (do they?) So your now comparing a truck which owes most of its sales to its super cheap fleet sales to Nissan which doesn't even sell a cheap fleet vehicle.

The Ford GT: uses the 5.4 because it is the largest engine ford makes, da. Also that motor is a 4v, aluminum. were mine is 3v, not aluminum. only a slight difference .

Also don't talk about HP/TQ at the engine. The F150 only makes about 220hp at the wheels. On paper the F150 might compare, but in the real world dyno tests my truck isn't even close. And 220 is being generous some dyno at 205.

Peace, sorry bout the long post- I get excited.

[Papa_D]

Originally Posted by Scandall

long time reader first time poster here.

I have to say I love you guys honestly.

I own a 05 F150 I didn't know it was the slowest and least powered till I bought it, but I still love it and on occasion I do manage a win.

The reason I joined your site was because your the only ones with cool race stories. I haven't yet found a ford site (besides the lightnings) that has a section for racing. They deal with ford being the slowest by not mentioning it. And then the ever famous "trucks are for towing" comment. I really really really hate the F150 sites they are the worse, they use every excuse in the book for why ford is the best.

It basicaly goes.. 1.) Trucks aren't for racing
2.) Mine is better built
3.) why would I want anything else
4.) Just wait till the new truck comes out.

So I'm just hear to read your stories and on occasion give you guys a laugh about me beating someone (probably not a titan-not looking forward to racing one). Also help you guys rag on the trolls that say F150 are awesome etc.

With that said:
The F-150 is not the best selling truck on the market!!!!!!!!!!!!
The F-series is!!!!!!!!! The F- series includes all F150's F250, 350's etc. Every F'in F truck!!

Why you no see Titans on the job site? Hmmm fleet vehicles. Ford will sell an F150 for 10,000 were nissan won't. Ford has a 4.6 and Nissan only has the 5.6 so when you buy a Nissan you get the best motor and that cost more. Also I don't think Nissan even has a fleet vehicle (do they?) So your now comparing a truck which owes most of its sales to its super cheap fleet sales to Nissan which doesn't even sell a cheap fleet vehicle.

The Ford GT: uses the 5.4 because it is the largest engine ford makes, da. Also that motor is a 4v, aluminum. were mine is 3v, not aluminum. only a slight difference .

Also don't talk about HP/TQ at the engine. The F150 only makes about 220hp at the wheels. On paper the F150 might compare, but in the real world dyno tests my truck isn't even close. And 220 is being generous some dyno at 205.

Peace, sorry bout the long post- I get excited.

No problem, I like long posts and make them all the time, lol.

I owned an F150 before the Titan and other than the lack of power (4.6l) I liked the truck an awful lot and still watch them drive by because I also like the way they look when tricked out a little.

It's a real shame that Ford missed the HP boat or I would be driving one now and that's the truth. If they had sold me a powerful 2 seater i would have gone back for a powerful four seater and never looked back.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Titan and wouldn't trade it, Ford had their shot at me and blew it.

Your honesty is a welcome relief from all the rhetoric, keep up the good work my friend and if you ever get to Speedworld in Florida I'll run ya and peddle it a bit so I only win by a half length or so.