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sammy sandbag said:
I wonder what will happen if I run 100LL in the Titan? Dare me?
Sammy, 100LL has a lot of lead in it...Not a good idea to run it at all. Cats, O2 sensors...things like that..don't like lead...
 
Facts for Consumers
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The Low-Down on High Octane Gasoline
Are you tempted to buy a high octane gasoline for your car because you want to improve its performance? If so, take note: the recommended gasoline for most cars is regular octane. In fact, in most cases, using a higher octane gasoline than your owner's manual recommends offers absolutely no benefit. It won't make your car perform better, go faster, get better mileage or run cleaner. Your best bet: listen to your owner's manual.

The only time you might need to switch to a higher octane level is if your car engine knocks when you use the recommended fuel. This happens to a small percentage of cars.

Unless your engine is knocking, buying higher octane gasoline is a waste of money, too. Premium gas costs 15 to 20 cents per gallon more than regular. That can add up to $100 or more a year in extra costs. Studies indicate that altogether, drivers may be spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year for higher octane gas than they need.

What are octane ratings?
Octane ratings measure a gasoline's ability to resist engine knock, a rattling or pinging sound that results from premature ignition of the compressed fuel-air mixture in one or more cylinders. Most gas stations offer three octane grades: regular (usually 87 octane), mid-grade (usually 89 octane) and premium (usually 92 or 93). The ratings must be posted on bright yellow stickers on each gasoline pump.

What's the right octane level for your car?
Check your owner's manual to determine the right octane level for your car. Regular octane is recommended for most cars. However, some cars with high compression engines, like sports cars and certain luxury cars, need mid-grade or premium gasoline to prevent knock.

How can you tell if you're using the right octane level? Listen to your car's engine. If it doesn't knock when you use the recommended octane, you're using the right grade of gasoline.

Will higher octane gasoline clean your engine better?
As a rule, high octane gasoline does not outperform regular octane in preventing engine deposits from forming, in removing them, or in cleaning your car's engine. In fact, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency requires that all octane grades of all brands of gasoline contain engine cleaning detergent additives to protect against the build-up of harmful levels of engine deposits during the expected life of your car.

Should you ever switch to a higher octane gasoline?
A few car engines may knock or ping - even if you use the recommended octane. If this happens, try switching to the next highest octane grade. In many cases, switching to the mid-grade or premium-grade gasoline will eliminate the knock. If the knocking or pinging continues after one or two fill-ups, you may need a tune-up or some other repair. After that work is done, go back to the lowest octane grade at which your engine runs without knocking.

Is knocking harmful?
Occasional light knocking or pinging won't harm your engine, and doesn't indicate a need for higher octane. But don't ignore severe knocking. A heavy or persistent knock can lead to engine damage.

Is all "premium" or "regular" gasoline the same?
The octane rating of gasoline marked "premium" or "regular" is not consistent across the country. One state may require a minimum octane rating of 92 for all premium gasoline, while another may allow 90 octane to be called premium. To make sure you know what you're buying, check the octane rating on the yellow sticker on the gas pump instead of relying on the name "premium" or "regular."

For More Information
If you're concerned about the accuracy of an octane label - or if you don't see a yellow octane sticker on a gasoline pump, write: Consumer Response Center, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, DC 20580.

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October 2003
 
87AKI is regular gas, and is what the book reccomends
 
IMADOGMAN said:
Sammy, 100LL has a lot of lead in it...Not a good idea to run it at all. Cats, O2 sensors...things like that..don't like lead...
Jeez you people take yourselfs and me too seriously. It was a joke for the rest of the pilots. You've been sniffing too much AVGAS, switch to Jet A.
 
You got any pics of your RV 6, I'd like to see them. I used to work for a charter company and one of the pilots own an RV, actually his wife claimed ownership. I missed my chance for a ride, but I hear they're great planes.
 
I run leaded vp red in my supra, and yes it screws with the O2 sensor, runs awesome under boost but will try to stall when the clutch is pushed in. Simply run some unleaded on low boost, run it hard and the 02 sensor comes back to life. Since the Titan has 4 02 sensors probably at $100+ a pop it might hurt the wallet in the long run. Also the nice coating of lead isn't very good for the cats. It would run like a raped ape though. I'll bet my pink slip that it makes more power on the dyno with vp red vs. 87. Also there are several unleaded race fuels, they typically cost more than thier leaded counterparts, but safe for emissions and 02 sensors. 93 to me is still a low octane hehe, even at a measly 14psi of boost i get detonation with 93, got a couple egg shaped head gaskets to prove it.
 
Nah, I'm gonna use JP-4 for that really flammable affect If I happen to get into a fender bender with a Pinto.
 
I find this interesting. The Titan and Infiniti QX56 share the same motor, they share the same compression ratio of 9.8:1. Yet the QX56 which uses premium unleaded produces 315HP/ 390ft/lbs tourqe while the Titan produces 305HP/ 379ft/lbs tourqe using regular unleaded. Could it simply be due to the the higher grade fuel and no other reason, that the Infiniti performs better? I sure hope that's it!
 
Catch 22

rholland said:
Facts for Consumers
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The Low-Down on High Octane Gasoline

What's the right octane level for your car?
Check your owner's manual to determine the right octane level for your car. Regular octane is recommended for most cars. However, some cars with high compression engines, like sports cars and certain luxury cars, need mid-grade or premium gasoline to prevent knock.

How can you tell if you're using the right octane level? Listen to your car's engine. If it doesn't knock when you use the recommended octane, you're using the right grade of gasoline.

October 2003
Catch 22....How can I hear my engine knocking or pinging, if the ECU and knock sensor has reduced the timing advance to eliminate it?

Just a thought... :cheers:
 
My 03 SE-R book told me using 91 octane will improve performance, but we saw no increase in mileage using 93 octane twice. Maybe you need to use it for a month to notice??

I like using 93 octane because it has cleaners in it. In my 92 SE-R I never had a clogged injector or crap in the tank. It seems the fuel filter never really got dirty either after cutting it apart, little grit.

Anybody from the gas industry in board that could tell us id there are actually extra cleaners and filters on the 93 octane????

Chris 04 titan, 92 sentra SE-R, 03 Sentra SE-R
 
jeremyzz said:
I find this interesting. The Titan and Infiniti QX56 share the same motor, they share the same compression ratio of 9.8:1. Yet the QX56 which uses premium unleaded produces 315HP/ 390ft/lbs tourqe while the Titan produces 305HP/ 379ft/lbs tourqe using regular unleaded. Could it simply be due to the the higher grade fuel and no other reason, that the Infiniti performs better? I sure hope that's it!
Lets get an infinity ECU. I think that was because of weight, so it would have more power to tow. Lets ask a Nissan Tech.

Chris
 
I thgouht the infinity Engine had Higher compression, thus it needs premium. It probably does not retard the timing if you dump in regular, which would cause the engine to knock or detonate.

Timing and compression both affect the octaine rating. I have to run 110 in my ATV because I increased the compression AND advanced the timing....Running regular 91 will gernade the topend. Raising the compression gave me some low end grunt and advancing the timing (non-computerized) gained me a couple HP through the powerband. I don't mind the extra expense int he ATV, but Im glad I can use regular with the titan. With a computerized timing curve rather than a straight advance there can be even more gains as the timing can be increased at startup and reduce at high RPM so as not to restrict the motor and gain a couple more HP on top.
 
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