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I was just thinkin the other day that I wanted to attempt to wax my truck. Someone on here posted a web channel on youtube for a dude name junkman and he has a lot of how-to's on waxing etc. etc. I don't really want to spend 130.00 on the porter cable orbital right now though lol im trying to get everything for my lift! so if I wax by hand, will it come out as good?

please excuse my neglegence towards the T :bangit:
 
I always do it by hand with good results, less risk of damaging the paint, however I'm told if you know what your doing the orbital buffers are pretty good.
 
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I always do it by hand with good results, less risk of damaging the paint, however I'm told if you know what your doing the orbital buffers are pretty good.
I think i'll try to do it by hand this wknd...There are alot of swirls in my paint/AZ pinstripes too. what kinda wax you use?
 
Yeah dude you dont need a porter cable at all. The thing you need is a clayblock ! After you wash your truck dry it and feel and look at the paint (you will have dirt and **** embeded in the paint.) You need the clay to get all that stuff out and make the paint smooth. Then you can hand wax it will look good and protect so the claying won't be so extensive next time(I bet it's bad) You would need the clay if you had a porter cable too but the waxing would go faster. PS The Titan is the easiest truck to hand wax because the big flat panels.. Good luck !
 
I never clay barred my Titan, and it still looks like the day it came off the production line. A good cleaner wax and some good due diligence will keep it looking like day one.
 
The difference between a cleaner wax & clay bar then wax was noticeable on my truck. My paint was so rough when it was new it had to be clayed. It takes me all day to wash, clay, dry, wax, treat all the plastic & tires w/303 & clean the glass & interior, but man its worth it.
 
I've never waxed mine either... I just use the quick wax on it after each wash.
 
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I've never waxed mine either... I just use the quick wax on it after each wash.
I just wash mine..no wax or anything. I'm goin to get the clay and wax and all that stuff and take my time on it this wknd!
 
Advice...

Wash, Detar, Wash again, clay, rinse, dry, wax
 
Okay, we have a lot of bad advice going on in this thread so allow me to shed some light on this subject.

I always do it by hand with good results, less risk of damaging the paint, however I'm told if you know what your doing the orbital buffers are pretty good.
The PC-7424XP is not going to damage your paint unless you hold it by the cord and beat the car with it. You can't burn the paint with it and you are definitely not going to remove paint with it if you were to use it wrong as I demonstrate in these videos.



How Safe is the PC-7424XP? - Part 1


How Safe is the PC-7424XP? - Part 2


There is no way that you can duplicate the results by hand that you will achieve using a polisher. Not in your wildest dreams. There is no way that you can move your hand at the same speed that a polisher moves for any kind of sustained amount of time. Also, the PC rotates and oscillates. When you do this by hand, you are moving in circles that are not uniform and nor is your pressure. Working by machine is far superior than working by hand.


I think i'll try to do it by hand this wknd...There are alot of swirls in my paint/AZ pinstripes too. what kinda wax you use?
You are going to quickly find out that you will not be able to remove those swirls by hand. Don't be surprised. Swirls need to be removed by a machine.

Yeah dude you dont need a porter cable at all. The thing you need is a clayblock ! After you wash your truck dry it and feel and look at the paint (you will have dirt and **** embeded in the paint.) You need the clay to get all that stuff out and make the paint smooth. Then you can hand wax it will look good and protect so the claying won't be so extensive next time(I bet it's bad) You would need the clay if you had a porter cable too but the waxing would go faster. PS The Titan is the easiest truck to hand wax because the big flat panels.. Good luck !
The process that you speak of is called claying, and it is done with a clay bar. You cannot look at your paint and see that it needs to be clayed, and you can't check by just rubbing your hand across the paint unless the paint is horribly contaminated. Wax does not protect your car from needing to be clayed, it protects the paint from oxidation. It also protects the shine that you get from polishing the paint. Wax does not make paint shine, polishing the paint is what makes paint shine.

The following video explains claying in more detail, and this write-up will also provide you with some important information about claying.

Inspecting the Paint for Claying Necessity

The difference between a cleaner wax & clay bar then wax was noticeable on my truck. My paint was so rough when it was new it had to be clayed. It takes me all day to wash, clay, dry, wax, treat all the plastic & tires w/303 & clean the glass & interior, but man its worth it.
You are correct because a cleaner wax actually polishes the paint. Polishing is necessary if you want your paint to shine. Just as in the military, you were never told to wax your boots. You were told to polish them and when you did, they shined like glass. This is also true for jewelry, glass, aluminum and a host of other things that you want to make shine.

You polish, not wax. Wax is a protectant, not a shining agent.

Here is my car without a drop of wax on it. I did nothing but polish the paint. Notice the depth and clarity.

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Here's a Suburban with God awful water spot damage. The only thing I did to this paint was polished it. There is not a drop of wax on it. Polishing is also what removed the swirl damage. This was done with a PC and some Adam's Swirl & Haze Remover followed by some Adam's Fine Machine Polish. Both products are POLISHES.

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After some coaxing...

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Polish made this paint shine, not wax. All the hand polishing in the world would not have fixed this damage. OP, get yourself a PC and you will be able to work wonders like this also. When I test a guys paint with my light, I quickly see if his paint is flawless or if his technique is all screwed up.

As Jim Rome would say, "Don't be THAT guy."
 
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Okay, we have a lot of bad advice going on in this thread so allow me to shed some light on this subject.



The PC-7424XP is not going to damage your paint unless you hold it by the cord and beat the car with it. You can't burn the paint with it and you are definitely not going to remov paint with it if you were to use it wrong as I demonstrate in these videos.



How Safe is the PC-7424XP? - Part 1


How Safe is the PC-7424XP? - Part 2


There is no way that you can duplicate the results by hand that you will achieve using a polisher. Not in your wildest dreams. There is no way that you can move your hand at the same speed that a polisher moves for any kind of sustained amount of time. Also, the PC rotates and oscillates. When you do this by hand, you are moving in circles that are not uniform and nor is your pressure. Working by machine is far superior than working by hand.




You are going to quickly find out that you will not be able to remove those swirls by hand. Don't be surprised. Swirls need to be removed by a machine.



The process that you speak of is called claying, and it is done with a clay bar. You cannot look at your paint and see that it needs to be clayed, and you can't check by just rubbing your hand across the paint unless the paint is horribly contaminated. Wax does not protect your car from needing to be clayed, it protects the paint from oxidation. It also protects the shine that you get from polishing the paint. Wax does not make paint shine, polishing the paint is what makes paint shine.

The following video explains claying in more detail, and this write-up will also provide you with some important information about claying.

Inspecting the Paint for Claying Necessity



You are correct because a cleaner wax actually polishes the paint. Polishing is necessary if you want your paint to shine. Just as in the military, you were never told to wax your boots. You were told to polish them and when you did, they shined like glass. This is also true for jewelty, glass, aluminum and a host of other things that you want to make shine.

You polish, not wax. Wax is a protectant, not a shining agent.

Here is my car without a drop of wax on it. I did nothing but polish the paint. Notice the depth and clarity.

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Here's a Suburban with God awful water spot damage. The only thing I did to this paint was polished it. There is not a drop of wax on it. Polishing is also what removed the swirl damage. This was done with a PC and some Adam's Swirl & Haze Remover followed by some Adam's Fine Machine Polish. Both products are POLISHES.

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After some coaxing...

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Polish made this paint shine, not wax. All the hand polishing in the world would not have fixed this damage. OP, get yourself a PC and you will be able to work wonders like this also. When I test a guys paint with my light, I quickly see if his paint is flawless or if his technique is all screwed up.

As Jim Rome would say, "Don't be THAT guy."
I didn't know you were on this forum junkman! it's a good thing I didn't try waxing/polishing this wknd. Looks like i'll be picking up a PC now. Thanks for straightening out this thread lol
 
$130? Man...I bought a waxer for $9 at Costco. Works great.
 
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I didn't know you were on this forum junkman! it's a good thing I didn't try waxing/polishing this wknd. Looks like i'll be picking up a PC now. Thanks for straightening out this thread lol
At your service sir!

$130? Man...I bought a waxer for $9 at Costco. Works great.
Those things are good for one thing, spreading wax. You are NOT going to do any paint correction with them whatsoever. They make better door stops.
 
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At your service sir!



I have watched all of your vids already on your youtube channel, but if I was to attempt this tmr can you give me an easy step by step list? it would be greatly appreciated as I am not familiar with waxing polishing etc. etc. I know some serious work needs to be done because I haven't waxed my truck in the two years i've owned it! thank you
 
Here's the deal. If you just watch my videos on You Tube, you miss all the important information that I have posted in the threads that the videos were made for. If you read the threads, then you will have no questions. Thus, it is important that you not only watch the videos, but that you also read the threads as all the questions that you may have are being asked by others in those threads.

With that said, here's what you need to do. Grab yourself a pen and paper and start with this video series. Make sure that you read the text that is associated with each video. This is VERY important. After watching that video series, watch this video series. It will clear up any confusion that you may have on the polishing aspect of paint correction.

Between those two video series, you should be totally clear on how to not only fix your pint, but on how to also wash your car in manner that will not create more of the same damage which you are trying to remove. This is the foot work (watching these videos) that you must do in order to learn how to properly correct and maintain your paint.

When you are done with those video series, you need to watch this video series which deals with the proper removal of dust, dirt and the difference between the two. This is another area in which people make all kinds of mistakes and end up destroying their paint.

If you watch all of those videos and don't skip through them, you will most likely not have any questions on what to do and how to do it. There's probably 2.5 hours worth of videos there so don't try to watch them all at once if you are tired. You may need to watch a video or series twice because there is a lot of information that you won't catch (or remember) the first time around. Take notes. I will be able to tell if you have watched all the videos in detail by the questions you have. The reason I made those videos is because of all the repeated questions that folks have about all this stuff and I address those in these videos.

You have a lot of work to do before you mess with your paint. If you're going to do it, do it right while armed with the necessary info to be successful. :)
 
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You have some good video's! If i ever get around to waxing my truck i'll be sure to take some hint's from your video's. Thank's
 
You have some good video's! If i ever get around to waxing my truck i'll be sure to take some hint's from your video's. Thank's
I have more videos to come! Thanks for watching.
 
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Junkman coming through ! very nice presentation sir. If you ever want A job in SWFL look me up.
Man, detailing is way too much work for me to do for a living but thanks for the offer! Right now I sit in leather chairs and punch letters on a keyboard. Not the most exciting job in the world but it's a lot less sweaty! :)
 
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