First off, Welcome to TT!:cheers:


Secondly, where is your source for this information?

 

Secondly, where is your source for this information?

Heh, sorry about that. Wouldn't let me post a link until my 16th post.

Front page news at autoblog.com. Also been picked up by Edmunds. Original source is a Freep business article.

First off, Welcome to TT!

And thanks! Been lurking for a long time. =)

 

Excellent, I'll post the link for you (if you don't mind).

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/ghosn-nissan-not-pursuing-partnership-with-chrysler/

 

That's great news for Nissan. Now they should spend less time with Ghosn talking about the Titan and more time ADVERTISING IT.

 

I have said it before and I will say it again. I do not understand why there is no information or no spy pics of the new Titan. If they really do plan a dramatic redo of the truck, there has to be test mules out there now. We have already seen production ready photos of the 09 Ford and Dodge. 2010 isn't that far away. Everyone keep a digital camera at the ready and go hunting. I want pics.

 

There won't be a heavy duty Titan model in the short term. The HD model has been cancelled from what I've read. However, the 4L V8 diesel sourced from Navistar is still in the works. With GM and Ford adding small diesels to their 1/2 ton lineups the next year or two. Nissan has to offer a diesel option if they want to remain competitive.

The reports of the Titan being scrapped seem to be false. From a tooling cost perspective, it wouldn't make sense to drop the Titan while leaving the more profitable Armada/QX56 intact. The more models you have under the same platform increases profits by reducing overall development costs and shortens the time until amortization is achieved.

The next generation Titan will probably be just a reskin like the '09 F-150. The chassis structure will remain basically the same except for reskinned body panels and a slightly revised interior.

 

Titan stay competitive? You see the sales numbers?.....Titan is NOT competitive now. What you'll probably see is not a Diesel but a V6 offered first. They won't throw a Diesel in the 1/2 ton version....you watch. You'll have to wait for an HD model...if they're smart. And as for 2009, who's said anything about a new Titan in 09? I've not heard that.

 

if you look at the new truckin magazine volume 34 no.5 thier is an article saying that nissan and chrysler to join.thier are even pics of a titan body with a ram front end emblem on the side says v8 titan.i'll type it out word for word "forbes has reported that nissan and chrysler are closer to an aggrement on nissan building small cars that would be sold as chryslers. earlier rumors hinted that dodge would handle the 2nd generation titan and essentially have a titan skin over ram underpinnings. we'd like to know whether or not the new titan will continue to offer it's 5.6 v-8 or have a version of the soon to be upgraded 5.7l hemi". end quote. if theat the case it would be a titan body with the new ram underneath it so we get a 5.7 hemi doing 0-60 in 6.0 sec faster then the tundra and more powerfull then the tundra. but yet get an additional 4% increase in gas milage. also the new ram does have a new rear suspension 5 link no leafs. what do you guys think

 

Although the no leafs suspension would be an upgrade for day to day driving, all of the rumors about a Ram/Titan mix is still just that. Rumor.

I agree with HudsonValley that if there is such a dramatic upgrade to the next Titan, we would have seen spy shots of some kind a year prior to release. Seeing as it is now 2008, we can probably safely bet that 2009 will not reveal a new Titan. Heck, I'll bet the 2009 Titan will be the 2008.5 with just different package treatments again.

Hopefully we start to see spy shot photos of the new Titan in the next few months as I would want Nissan to come out with a competitor to the current Tundra around 2010.

 

i'm glad to read that article. yeah, no ramtit. ha!

also, it seems to make sense that there wouldn't be a new titan in 2009. no spy shots (as previously stated) and they just did some pretty good changes in 2008. So I would guess that there will be some package changes, very slight modifications of interior/exterior. then in 2010, they can put out a new bad-azz titan to kill all the competition.

 

All-new Titan will launch in CY2010, not in CY09. Development is in the final stages on the engines and sourcing is probably nearly complete. Body/chasis has probably already been tested / proven and also been sourced. Consider the fact most launches of any given part for any given vehicle takes ~24 weeks average to build tools & equipment, work your way back through sourcing, testing, development, and initial design.... there's no opportunity for Chrysler to have much influence on the next Titan at this point. Besides, as Ghosn already stated, they're not working together on trucks, only small cars (Versa).

Ghosn said that while the Titan isn't selling to original projections, we're getting ~65K sales more than we once had, so the vehicle is not a failure. It's creating more showroom traffic, which eventually translates into some other vehicle sales, if not a Titan sale. You can't tackle the truck market with your first attempt. Respect is earned and slowly adopted, ESPECIALLY in the loyal truck market. Look how many renditions the Tundra has gone through to get the ~190K sales it got this past year! Expect nearly the same path for the Titan. It takes time.

 

I've always said I'd be the first in line for a diesel 1/2 ton Titan. Today I saw diesel was at $3.90 and gas, $3.05. I used to think the diesel engine would pay for itself in gas mileage while towing and on long trips, I'm not so sure now...:huh:

 

All-new Titan will launch in CY2010, not in CY09. Development is in the final stages on the engines and sourcing is probably nearly complete. Body/chasis has probably already been tested / proven and also been sourced. Consider the fact most launches of any given part for any given vehicle takes ~24 weeks average to build tools & equipment, work your way back through sourcing, testing, development, and initial design.... there's no opportunity for Chrysler to have much influence on the next Titan at this point. Besides, as Ghosn already stated, they're not working together on trucks, only small cars (Versa).

Ah, interesting information. I was really sitting on the fence about moving forward with a 2008.5 Titan purchase or waiting for the revised body style and possible new interior.

I think I'll wait until the New York Auto Show in two weeks and then put in an order for a custom build (I'm picky).

 

Go ahead with the '08.5. There are plenty of them out there ready to be bought. The new model won't happen until '10.

 

You can't tackle the truck market with your first attempt. Respect is earned and slowly adopted, ESPECIALLY in the loyal truck market. Look how many renditions the Tundra has gone through to get the ~190K sales it got this past year! Expect nearly the same path for the Titan. It takes time.

very well put, i agree

 

You guys got more faith in Nissan than I got. I figure if I am Nissan and my Titan sales are sinking and news has been spreading that the Titan might be cancelled, I am going to be pumping out some rumors like Toyota did and I would be talking about the new Diesels comming soon. New trucks are not designed overnight and drivetrains are tested thouroughly. Something stinks here. You can bet there is no new 09 Titans and maybe no 2010 either. With gas prices going crazy and sales of trucks going down, Nissan is probably just holding and waiting to see what happens. They will continue to offer new bling but no big changes. I would not be surprised to see them drop the Titan and stay with smaller trucks. They are using the 5.6 in the Pathy now also. It seems the after market guys know what is going on too and I see no one going flat out building new aftermarket parts. Look at the new Tundra, aftermarkets are busy as hell.

 

Folks, do yourselves favor and google Nissan's sales numbers by model. The Titan is their 4th or 5th best selling vehicle. It trails the Sentra, Altima, Murano and I think barely is behind the Rogue and Versa. It is outselling the Maxima, Frontier, XTerra, Pathfinder, 350Z, and Armada. People need to remember Nissan is not as large as GM, Ford, Toyota or even Honda. Smaller manufacturer makes less cars, fewer models has fewer dealerships and has fewer sales as a result. They do quite well if you look at them for what they are. Remember the Big 3 truck sales include their HD/SD models. Edit those sales out and it is much closer.

 

Folks, do yourselves favor and google Nissan's sales numbers by model. The Titan is their 4th or 5th best selling vehicle. It trails the Sentra, Altima, Murano and I think barely is behind the Rogue and Versa. It is outselling the Maxima, Frontier, XTerra, Pathfinder, 350Z, and Armada. People need to remember Nissan is not as large as GM, Ford, Toyota or even Honda. Smaller manufacturer makes less cars, fewer models has fewer dealerships and has fewer sales as a result. They do quite well if you look at them for what they are. Remember the Big 3 truck sales include their HD/SD models. Edit those sales out and it is much closer.

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Well put my friend, well put.

 

if you look at the new truckin magazine volume 34 no.5 thier is an article saying that nissan and chrysler to join.thier are even pics of a titan body with a ram front end emblem on the side says v8 titan.i'll type it out word for word "forbes has reported that nissan and chrysler are closer to an aggrement on nissan building small cars that would be sold as chryslers. earlier rumors hinted that dodge would handle the 2nd generation titan and essentially have a titan skin over ram underpinnings. we'd like to know whether or not the new titan will continue to offer it's 5.6 v-8 or have a version of the soon to be upgraded 5.7l hemi". end quote. if theat the case it would be a titan body with the new ram underneath it so we get a 5.7 hemi doing 0-60 in 6.0 sec faster then the tundra and more powerfull then the tundra. but yet get an additional 4% increase in gas milage. also the new ram does have a new rear suspension 5 link no leafs. what do you guys think

look how as he nears the end of his comment, it ends up turing into an advertisement...I hate those editors at truckin' and douchebag dodge lovers

 

Ghosn is a ****ing idiot for even mentioning that he might kill the titan... he should have just taken a picture of our resale value and lit it on fire. What a ****ing moron.:smoke:

 

Ghosn is a ****ing idiot for even mentioning that he might kill the titan... he should have just taken a picture of our resale value and lit it on fire. What a ****ing moron.:smoke:

When did Ghosn say any such thing? I heard the rumor myself but wasn't aware that he said it.

 

When did Ghosn say any such thing? I heard the rumor myself but wasn't aware that he said it.

It was on Autoblog.The quotes where supposed to be from a Newsweek interview they did with Goshn.Honestly, I've not read the Newsweek article,so it could just be rumor.IF Goshn did say it, I don't see how he would think that would help matters any.I also agree with a poster above,it will take years to get any kind of real "footing" in the full size truck market,but it can be done if Nissan stays the course.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/16/ghosn-hints-at-killing-nissan-titan/

 

When did Ghosn say any such thing? I heard the rumor myself but wasn't aware that he said it.

This is the Newsweek interview with Ghosn that started
the "rumor" that Nissan MAY be looking at killing the Titan.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/78147

 

titan diehard member long live the titan truck and their owners

 

It won't make sense to have a new Titan in 09. GMC/Chevy had a new model in 07. Toyota just got their Tundra. Both Dodge and Ford will be capturing the attention in 09 and they will fight it out for Truck of the Year. 2010 will be a quiet year and that's when you introduce the new redesigned Titan where all the attention will be on it (though Ford and Dodge might introduce their new HD version). Although numbers don't lie, I live in a small town and now I see Titans coming and going. I myself had an 04 and now an 08. I think the more Titan out there the more people are going to realize that there are other options out there. What most people don't know is what good value the Titan is compared to the others. my 4X4 CC LE LB was thousands less than a comparably equipped Toyota. The Titan and Armada share many part and are built on the same assembly line. They will continue making the Titan as long they are building the Armada. I actually see more Titans than Armadas around here. I think the question that will impact this whole segment is gas prices. Although I can drive my Accord when prices goes to $4 and drive the Titan when I need it instead of daily driver, not everyone can afford to have many cars parked in the driveway. I think this will be a more determining factor in the succes of most trucks these days.