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4" of the lift?? prg/hooligan anyone else

ok this question is for greg or hooligan mainly, and anyone else who is a suspension guru, you can throw in your thoughts too. let me just start off by saying that i'm a complete suspension noob. basically, i want a kinda mild lift for now, i eventually plan on getting the mid-travel kit from greg, but that won't be for a while, so until then, here's what i was thinking, tell me what you think or what you'd change if anything or if there's anything i might be leaving out...fyi i have a cc 4x2

4" cst spindles
2.5" spacer
looks like maybe the 2.5" deavers in the rear
maybe a 1" or 2" block and carrier bearing if needed
prg uca's
i'm thinking either saw's in the front and either saw's or 2.0 or 2.5 radflo res in the rear (not really sure on which of these setups i should go with, any input is greatly appreciated)
Pro Comp Extreme Alloy Series 7089 wheels Specs: 18x9, 5 on 5.5 Bolt Pattern; Backspace = 4.75 in
not sure on tires, kinda a toss up between these, and if they would fit or not:
ProComp Xtreme A/T 325/65/18
Toyo Open Country A/T 325/60/18
Either the Nitto Terra Grappler 325 or 355/65/18, not sure if the 355 will fit or not though
basically the tires are still up in the air, any suggestions as to what would fit better? i don't mind if they stick out some to give it a more aggressive stance

anyway, i think that's all the stuff i'm looking at, any opinions, suggestions, or anything else anyone can help me out with as far as this setup goes, or if there's anything i could change in this setup to make it any better??


thanks guys
evan
 

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ok this question is for greg or hooligan mainly, and anyone else who is a suspension guru, you can throw in your thoughts too. let me just start off by saying that i'm a complete suspension noob. basicallyi want a kinda mild lift for now, i eventually plan on getting the mid-travel kit from greg, but that won't be for a while, so until then, here's what i wasthinking, tell me what you think or what you'd change if anything or if there's anything i might be leaving out...fyi i have a cc 4x2

4" cst spindles
Yes, on the spindles.
06_SMOKE_SE_CC said:
2.5" spacer
Mall rats only ... IMO
06_SMOKE_SE_CC said:
looks like maybe the 2.5" deavers in the rear
maybe a 1" or 2" block and carrier bearing if needed
I know at some point of rear lift on a 2wd you need a carrier bearing, but don't know what that point is, but 4" spindle and minimal pre-load on the mid-length PRG valved SAWs is about 5" front, so 2.5" PRG/Deaver mini-pak might be enough for best prerunning.
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prg uca's
Of course.
06_SMOKE_SE_CC said:
i'm thinking either saw's in the front and either saw's or 2.0 or 2.5 radflo res in the rear (not really sure on which of these setups i should go with, any input is greatly appreciated)
As mentioned, 2.5" PRG valved mid-length SAWs for the front, and either the 2" Radflo reservoirs or the 2 1/4" SAW reservoirs in the rear. I believe both are valved or spec'd by PRG. My impression based on comments by PRG in posts, is the SAWs might be a bit firmer, and might have more travel, but Greg can clarify, and I think about the same $.
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Pro Comp Extreme Alloy Series 7089 wheels Specs: 18x9, 5 on 5.5 Bolt Pattern; Backspace = 4.75 in
not sure on tires, kinda a toss up between these, and if they would fit or not:
ProComp Xtreme A/T 325/65/18
Toyo Open Country A/T 325/60/18
Either the Nitto Terra Grappler 325 or 355/65/18, not sure if the 355 will fit or not though
basically the tires are still up in the air, any suggestions as to what would fit better? i don't mind if they stick out some to give it a more aggressive stance
No on 18x9, 5 on 5.5 Bolt Pattern Here's why first, our bolt pattern is 6 on 5.5, a.k.a. 6 on 139.7 mm, (the first number is the amount of lug nuts). Second, for prerunning, well for anything I can think of, you want 17" rims. All of those listed below will most likely require the pinch-weld-mod.
17x9" rims
7089-7938* 17x9 6x5.5 -6mm 4.75" (*depending what it's hub centric on)
7089-7983 17x9 6x5.5 -6mm 4.75"

Or if your tires will allow for an 8" width rim ... these will stick or about 3/4" less than the 9" rims:
7089-7838* 17x8 6x5.5 0mm 4.5" (*depending what it's hub centric on)
7089-7883 17x8 6x5.5 0mm 4.5"

Tires tough and very heavy ... the Toyo MT in a 83 lb. 35x12.5x17 (9" rim"), or a 73 lb. 33.5" 295/70/17 on a (8" rim).
Nitto (made by Toyo and probably heavy too), Terra Grappler AT 34" 305/70/17. (8" rim). Or LT325/70R17 (35x13x17 on a 9" rim).
BFG AT KO 315/70/17 at 64 lb. a fuel economy tire, (relatively speaking), (OEM GM spec, H2 I think) 34.5" diameter (8" rim).
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anyway, i think that's all the stuff i'm looking at, any opinions, suggestions, or anything else anyone can help me out with as far as this setup goes, or if there's anything i could change in this setup to make it any better?

thanks guys
evan
Don't forget to check out the American Racing Thug in an 17x8.5" rim with Teflon dark coating.
 

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hey thanks for breaking my post down piece by piece and giving your opinion on stuff, i see that you have the 4" performance package, how do you like it?

also, reading your response to my post about the wheels, i realize that i copy and pasted the wrong wheel specs off the 4 wheel parts website, i knew we were 6 lug, didn't even realize i had posted the 5 lug wheel until you pointed it out, so thanks....i went and checked out the american racing wheels, and i wasn't so much a fan of the thug, but i did like the chamber with the teflon coating, i know that i've seen other members on here with that wheel, and also with the mojave, although i think i like the chamber better cause it looks similar to the pro comp wheel that i picked out.

another tire that i had looked at brieflyy was the bridgestone deuler revo, is that tire any good? again guys i really appreciate any help you can give me as this is my first truck, had a couple accords and a tl before this, so obviously have never lifted anything before. i just wanna make sure that i do stuff right the first time so i don't waste time and money trying to get it there.

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hey thanks for breaking my post down piece by piece and giving your opinion on stuff, i see that you have the 4" performance package, how do you like it?

also, reading your response to my post about the wheels, i realize that i copy and pasted the wrong wheel specs off the 4 wheel parts website, i knew we were 6 lug, didn't even realize i had posted the 5 lug wheel until you pointed it out, so thanks....i went and checked out the american racing wheels, and i wasn't so much a fan of the thug, but i did like the chamber with the teflon coating, i know that i've seen other members on here with that wheel, and also with the mojave, although i think i like the chamber better cause it looks similar to the pro comp wheel that i picked out.

another tire that i had looked at brieflyy was the bridgestone deuler revo, is that tire any good? again guys i really appreciate any help you can give me as this is my first truck, had a couple accords and a tl before this, so obviously have never lifted anything before. i just wanna make sure that i do stuff right the first time so i don't waste time and money trying to get it there.

evan
Yea, the chamber are nice too. I just like the fact that the Thugs are 1/2" less wide so less fender trimming for the same backspacing. I like those PC wheels too.

The Revo in the biggest 17" size is a passenger rated P-metric tire, and only goes up to a P285/70/17 33". I think a lot of the Toyo AT sizes are also P-metric. For the type of suspension setup you are talking about, very high end stuff, you don't want to put on tires you will see on some soccer mom's AWD SUV. IMO

For a size visual, I have my 4" PP set for a 3" lift in my sig pic and have the BFG AT KO in a 33", LT285/70/17 to get a size reference, and your lift will be at least an inch higher. And at times my 33s look too small on mine).

I'm assuming your goal is high speed dirt road or desert type of off roading. There are better mud tires for the mud, and the new BFG MT KM2 sounds like a great tough trail tire. Oh and for sand, I've heard good things about the Parnelli-Jones Dirt-Grips. The Nice thing about the BFG and Nitto though is they are easy to find.
 

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yeah, basically dirt road desert stuff, some trails, i like to go up to big bear/arrowhead sometimes, there's a couple cool trails up that way, took the tian down one of them once all stock, did fine, but would be nice to have some lift and some more travel, and some better tires than the crapyears....

i took a look at those parnelli jones tires, nice looking tires, read some reviews of them, people seem to like them....my neighbor had the revos on his silverado and loved them, but i think i'd want something a little bigger than the 275 size, a nice 35 would look good i think....

i used to live in socal, and actually just moved to az a couple months ago, haven't taken the truck out anywhere here yet...

what do you think about taking the swaybar off and putting some off road traction bars on? i read a post by hooligan where he said if you take the swaybar off, it's better for offroading and won't make a huge difference on road? any input on this?

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what do you think about taking the swaybar off and putting some off road traction bars on? i read a post by hooligan where he said if you take the swaybar off, it's better for offroading and won't make a huge difference on road? any input on this?
with any of the high-end coilovers, taking off the swaybar is a good idea, doesn't limit the travel of the C/O ...... traction bars are always a +

be careful of going up 6" now and then the mid-travel later, the MT kit won't sit as high and you might not like it if height is your thing....
 

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nah the height isn't that important to me, i want the travel...i used to want the bulletproof lift, but then from reading a bunch of stuff on here about suspension, i realized that that lift would just be a waste of money, and i wouldn't gain any performance from it, i'd much rather have a lift of 5" that can travel 13" (mt kit) than a lift of 12" that can travel 5"...oh yeah and the price difference between the spindle lift setup that i want and the bulletproof lift is quite nice :rockon

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ok, so i just added up what it would cost me to do the spindles setup that i'm thinking of, and it seems like it might make more sense for me to just save up the extra about $2k to get the mid travel kit....it might take me a little longer to get it, but seems like it makes more sense just to wait...ugh i hate greg for making such good stuff for our trucks, i wanna get it all dammit! :crybaby:
 

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careful with the AR thugs. American racing has the wrong size speced for the Titan. They will rub on the brake caliper. Another member here used a spacer but if you want a perfect fit you'll need to order something with a bit more backspacing then what AR specs.
 

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Yep I got the Thug's and had to run a half inch spacer to clear the brake calipher. Still trying to get a hold of AR to get this taken care of. Probably could grind the calpiher to make it work. Like it anyway's
 

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i'm not a big fan of the thug, i think i'm gonna end up going with the ar chamber teflon 17x9
 

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How in the world can you not like the thugs? j/K
 

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lol, i dunno, i'm sure i'd like 'em if someone else bought 'em for me :bangit:
 
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