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First things first... I am in no way trying to compete with Stillen or Berk, nor trying to take business away from them... (but most likely will)

Secondly, I do not intend to make money off of this product and am doing the R&D for my own Titan anyways, and am willing to either pass on the same product to you at cost, or send you the necessary part numbers and directions to DIY as well...
With that being said, who would be interested in a set of non-mandrel bent B pipes, 2.25" inlet / 2.5" outlet, with forward mounted HF metal Cats and relocated rear O2 bungs?
I plan to minimize my own cost and estimate the finished product to be around 200-250 depending on cost of materials, pipe bending, and welding...

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if the issue with my berk pipes cant be worked out and they stick with the 2wd design only i would interested.
 

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I'm planning on making my own too so I would like to see what you come up with. The bend in them is so slight that I really don't think that having mandrel bent will make a difference. I can get SS tubing/piping where I work and I have a friend that is a good TIG welder. $500 my @ss!!! LOL
 

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I'm planning on making my own too so I would like to see what you come up with. The bend in them is so slight that I really don't think that having mandrel bent will make a difference. I can get SS tubing/piping where I work and I have a friend that is a good TIG welder. $500 my @ss!!! LOL
I am waiting on inexpensive alternative metal cats (less than $75/each) then will be doing my build... I'm thinking of even going with aluminum pipes instead of SS to eliminate rusting issues... any way it goes, I will draw out my design, with measurements, and post it so if you decide to do your own, or take it to a shop and have it done, it'll be simple enough to make your own... even if you wanted to use Titanium molded piping and Platinum Core Cats you could probably get them made for half a grand...
 

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I am waiting on inexpensive alternative metal cats (less than $75/each) then will be doing my build... I'm thinking of even going with aluminum pipes instead of SS to eliminate rusting issues... any way it goes, I will draw out my design, with measurements, and post it so if you decide to do your own, or take it to a shop and have it done, it'll be simple enough to make your own... even if you wanted to use Titanium molded piping and Platinum Core Cats you could probably get them made for half a grand...
DIY is always good, particularly if Berk can't work out the fitment issues but I believe they will. When I got mine done I ended up having 350 or so in them and honestly, I would gladly have paid 500 for a plug and play solution so let's hope Berk can refine their design until it is just that which would give lazy guys like me with no welder a nice alternative.
 

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I totally agree with ya PapaD, the product is there and available for those who want the slap and go performance B pipes, that's why I wanted to make it clear that this is my own design and production, for anyone who wants to have an alternative product... either to copy or buy at cost + shipping to plug n play... The difference that I am doing to mine is that the inlet will be 2.25", forward positioned HF Cat, then exit to a 2.5" pipe right to the 2.5" exhaust pipes... My current set-up is a complete welded on 2.25" cat elimination pipe at the JBA header exit, running continuous to the OEM B pipe bend then, welded HF Cat 2" after the bend, welded to 2.25" section of pipe w/ O2 bung located 4" behind the Cat exit, then expanding to a welded 2.5" section of pipe with flanged exit, that nolts directly to my 2.5" cat back exhaust piping... I have not done any Dyno Runs to see what the benefits of the 2.5" exit pipes are but love the sound and "feel" of easier flow when I get on it... My revised B-Pipe plan is to use the similar Cat and O2 bung placements (which clear the front of my transfer case by 2"'s) and flange the forward section and rear section of pipes after re-installing HF Cats to my JBA headers so I can pass CA CARB inspections in 2012... If you take the same basic structure of my B pipe and use your own desired material and diameter of pipes, it will allow you to have forward mounted cats (less chance of direct heat to cause high risk of cat failure) as well as satisfy the catalyst sensor and obtain an accurate A/F reading without having to extend O2 wiring harness or installing O2 foulers...
 

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Sounds like a good plan and it'll be nice to offer something else for the Titan community...
 
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Since we (Titans) have been so under supported in mods, it's up to the members and owners to R&D and come out with proven performance products... I'm still hoping to see the PGM brought out of the attic... However, I've also been running around brainstorming on something like that project as well... too early to throw my ideas out on that subject though...
 

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Honestly, I don't know why people are willing to fork over big bucks just for the ability to bolt exhaust pieces together. Shop labor is not enough to justify this price increase. IMO the entire exhaust falls under this phenomenon, but the B pipes are a prime example.
Yeah, I like working on my truck myself, and like Papa D, I am no welder. But I can't see dropping $500 on B pipes unless I have the T lifted high enough to park the wife's car under.
 

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I have to admit, they look nice and shiny when they are first installed, but lose all that sparkle quickly after the first off-road trip, so I don't really care for the need to have SS pipes either... Ultimately, if I want a shiny under side, I'd take my T to a EmCo, local Electro-plating shop, and have them Chrome plate the undercarriage... Now, that would be a sight.. :rofl:
 

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Honestly, I don't know why people are willing to fork over big bucks just for the ability to bolt exhaust pieces together. Shop labor is not enough to justify this price increase. IMO the entire exhaust falls under this phenomenon, but the B pipes are a prime example.
Yeah, I like working on my truck myself, and like Papa D, I am no welder. But I can't see dropping $500 on B pipes unless I have the T lifted high enough to park the wife's car under.
It does seem silly to drop that kind of coin for such a simple part. But, for me it's all about convenience and quality materials for the pipes and flanges. Plus I'm really picky so I wanted a complete SS system.

Others will make decisions based more on price and utility. I think there's a big enough market for both offerings especially with the manifold issues the Titan's have... Perhaps even more Titan owners will turn to headers if a cheaper HFC b-pipe option is available...
 
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Obviously the Berk cats are higher quality, but isn't most of the price difference due to the bolt-able flanges?
It obviously takes more time and materials to put together a piece that can be bolted up without cutting and welding. I get it, I just personally would rather spend the coin on more stuff.
Now if I had a lift and/ or a nice shop...that might be a different story. :teethmast
 

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Obviously the Berk cats are higher quality, but isn't most of the price difference due to the bolt-able flanges?
It obviously takes more time and materials to put together a piece that can be bolted up without cutting and welding. I get it, I just personally would rather spend the coin on more stuff.
Now if I had a lift and/ or a nice shop...that might be a different story. :teethmast
If I end up making mine they will bolt on. Flanges aren't expensive.
 

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Honestly, I don't know why people are willing to fork over big bucks just for the ability to bolt exhaust pieces together.
1. I don't weld
2. I don't know much about exhaust components and putting them together
3. Time is money. I don't have the time to research, buy the parts and then run around town finding someone that can put as nice a weld on as Berk did.
4. A company is standing behind the pipes. I'm not saying DRTYAZN is a scumbag but I'm just more comfortable with a company making this stuff rather than Joey Bag-a-Donuts cranking them out in his garage.

I have to admit, they look nice and shiny when they are first installed, but lose all that sparkle quickly after the first off-road trip, so I don't really care for the need to have SS pipes either...
I'm surprised nobody noticed, but I painted my b-pipes before they went on. I used VHT high temp paint. The MagChloride they use around here already has caused a good sized patch of surface rust on my Magnaflow SS muffler. I wasn't taking any chances. The paint looks like crap because they fell in the snow when I wasn't looking.
 
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1. I don't weld
2. I don't know much about exhaust components and putting them together
3. Time is money. I don't have the time to research, buy the parts and then run around town finding someone that can put as nice a weld on as Berk did.
4. A company is standing behind the pipes. I'm not saying DRTYAZN is a scumbag but I'm just more comfortable with a company making this stuff rather than Joey Bag-a-Donuts cranking them out in his garage.


I'm surprised nobody noticed, but I painted my b-pipes before they went on. I used VHT high temp paint. The MagChloride they use around here already has caused a good sized patch of surface rust on my Magnaflow SS muffler. I wasn't taking any chances. The paint looks like crap because they fell in the snow when I wasn't looking.
:rofl: sometimes I can be a ScumBag, depending who's needing me to be one, then it's as simple as flippin' a switch...

As for the build, I utilize a buddy's shop (with a chitload of my own donated tools and brainstorming)... and I noticed that your B Pipe was black and was going to give you thumbs up on that, but since you didn't complete the install, I felt it was too early to say "good idea" until they were fully installed and in use... I think that it is a great idea to prep and paint SS pipes with Hi Temp Black as well, that way the heat discoloration isn't noticeable and it also gives the SS an additional rust inhibitor coating... Thumbs Up for your Black Pipes!!!
 

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3. Time is money. I don't have the time to research, buy the parts and then run around town finding someone that can put as nice a weld on as Berk did.
IMO reseaching the Berk pipes and purchasing them amounts to the same amount of time and research it takes to have a local shop weld in some pipes. But that's just me. I'm sure a lot of people don't have local auto shops near them...

NISMO should just release some titanium $900 B pipes. Then everyone would have a choice at their price point.
 

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IMO reseaching the Berk pipes and purchasing them amounts to the same amount of time and research it takes to have a local shop weld in some pipes. But that's just me. I'm sure a lot of people don't have local auto shops near them...

NISMO should just release some titanium $900 B pipes. Then everyone would have a choice at their price point.
You must have better shops in your area than I do around here because when I finally did find someone who could weld well, they wanted to charge me an arm and a leg for the service which would have put me at or above the retail price on the Berk pipes after everything was said and done.

In my experience, searching for a good welder is like hunting for a stripper who gives out their real name and although they are out there, most of them go by the name Stardust and couldn't weld properly to save their life either, lol.
 

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Never really thought about it, but I see your point. I live near Lone Star Steel, a HUGE plant. There are more out-of-work quality welders around here than you can shake a stick at.
 

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IMO reseaching the Berk pipes and purchasing them amounts to the same amount of time and research it takes to have a local shop weld in some pipes. But that's just me. I'm sure a lot of people don't have local auto shops near them...

NISMO should just release some titanium $900 B pipes. Then everyone would have a choice at their price point.
:rofl: keep dreaming... It's hard enough to try and get Nismo to reproduce Headers as it is now, let alone get them to make an additional new product...


You must have better shops in your area than I do around here because when I finally did find someone who could weld well, they wanted to charge me an arm and a leg for the service which would have put me at or above the retail price on the Berk pipes after everything was said and done.

In my experience, searching for a good welder is like hunting for a stripper who gives out their real name and although they are out there, most of them go by the name Stardust and couldn't weld properly to save their life either, lol.
Too true... it's not usually the cost of material that throws the prices up... It's the convenience of having the product preassembled and ready to slap on (labor and convenience)... as for "Stardust", I might just order up a stripper to the shop after the project gets completed to celebrate! :rofl:
 

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:rofl: keep dreaming... It's hard enough to try and get Nismo to reproduce Headers as it is now, let alone get them to make an additional new product...




Too true... it's not usually the cost of material that throws the prices up... It's the convenience of having the product preassembled and ready to slap on (labor and convenience)... as for "Stardust", I might just order up a stripper to the shop after the project gets completed to celebrate! :rofl:
It's always good to keep a stripper or two around just in case and really, who gives a damn if they can weld or not unless their pole breaks, lol.
 
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