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From Car and Driver, I have not seen this here yet. Perhaps I missed it?

http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/14484/diesel-or-v-6-for-nissan-titan.html

Diesel or V-6 for Nissan Titan? - Car News

Nissan is trying to map the proper powertrains to each segment.
BY ALISA PRIDDLE, January 2008

The pieces are slowly coming together to put a diesel in the Nissan Titan full-size pickup, but the move still does not appear imminent. In fact, a V-6 gasoline engine for the large pickup could be a quicker, more viable alternative, we are told.

Globally, Nissan is creating a new engineering division within its LCV (light commercial vehicle) unit to develop diesel engines for light-duty trucks, and North American executives have said for years it is a move the automaker must consider for the Titan to be a true player in the truck market. It also is necessary to broaden its lineup with heavy-duties, an area where Nissan wants to be a serious player in the U.S. in the future, much like it is with light-commercial vans in other parts of the world.

“We’re studying it (diesels for the Titan),” Larry Dominique, Nissan North America vice president of product and advanced planning, told Car and Driver in a recent interview.

Obstacles Remain Many

Cost has been one factor in delaying the move to date. Another factor is that while Nissan is developing oil burners in-house and has access to diesels through its partnership with Renault, none are appropriate for large trucks. Negotiations continue with suppliers to supply a larger engine. And, as the current generation Titan is about halfway through its lifecycle, the pickup must wait for the next generation to add a diesel.

As Nissan continues to study which powertrain alternatives are best suited for different vehicle segments, Dominique says it has concluded that diesels make more sense than gasoline-electric hybrids for body-on-frame trucks. But he recognizes that more women buy SUVs and crossovers and they may not want to line up between landscape trucks to get diesel fuel. He speculates this may be one reason General Motors has opted to hybridize its full-size SUVs, rather than fit them with diesels.

Nissan is still on track to introduce diesels in the U.S. with the Maxima sedan in 2010 and will not stop there, says Tom Lane, corporate vice-president in charge of product planning and strategy for the parent company.

The Infiniti luxury lineup also will get diesels down the road in some markets, such as Europe. Lane says he thinks it would be the right thing to do in North America, as well, but he is not convinced there will be the volume of sales to warrant it. The automaker is “at the edge of decision,” he says.

As for diesel-electric hybrids in the future, their high cost likely will make them prohibitive for all but commercial buyers in Europe and Japan, Lane says.
V-6 from Pathfinder Good Fit for Titan

Meanwhile, another intriguing idea under study is putting the 4.0-liter, 266-hp V-6 VQ gasoline engine from the Pathfinder and Xterra into the Titan. The idea holds merit, Dominique says, and is viable with current high fuel prices and the emergence of more V-6s in the full-size truck market.

“It could be done within two years,” he says. It would not be for all cab configurations. Crew cabs would continue to need V-8 power.

In the future, Nissan is looking at whether consumers want their vehicles to sacrifice some performance for better fuel efficiency. An acceptable tradeoff could be slightly slower 0-to-60-mph acceleration to increase fuel economy by 15 percent by tweaking the gear ratios in the transmission and how the electronic throttle shift points are mapped.

Dominique notes when high gasoline prices affected vehicles with V-8s, the segment in which the Infiniti M35 and M45 play never recovered.
 

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well that is a lot better news than Gohsn's talk of discontinuing the Titan
 

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Diesel all the way. If they can beat Toyota to the punch, Nissan could really clean up. I'm pretty sure that I read that Ford and Dodge sell more diesel pick-ups now than they do gas. There's a huge demand. It's not just that you get more pulling power where you need it (low down), but you get better mileage, they last two or three times as long between overhauls, and the resale value pretty much pays for the diesel option. In other words, if you pay $3,500 more for a diesel, you can count on getting almost all of that back out when you sell it or trade it vs the same truck with a gas engine. Run the numbers through Edmunds for the same used truck with and without a diesel and you will see what I mean. Especially on a truck that has over 100,000 miles on it. A gas truck with that many miles has used up most of its' lifespan whereas a diesel truck is just getting broken in. I still have my '99 Dodge Cummins truck with a little over 100,000 miles and it is like brand new and will pull any stump you can find.
 

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If Nissan actually came out with a diesel Titan I would actually contemplate going down to the stealership when they send me those adds in the mail “trade in your titan, get 0% bla bla bla”

I think that would be the single best possible boost to Titan sales to add a diesel.

I just hope it not a navastar crap (they might be ok but ford sure has had a lot of problems with them). What they really need is to strike a deal and put a Cummings in there. People mod those for over 1000HP and they still manage a good level of reliability. Duramax is not going to happen thou that would be nice!

Dose Nissan make any box trucks that have a diesel out there?
 

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lowlypawn said:
If Nissan actually came out with a diesel Titan I would actually contemplate going down to the stealership when they send me those adds in the mail “trade in your titan, get 0% bla bla bla”

I think that would be the single best possible boost to Titan sales to add a diesel.

I just hope it not a navastar crap (they might be ok but ford sure has had a lot of problems with them). What they really need is to strike a deal and put a Cummings in there. People mod those for over 1000HP and they still manage a good level of reliability. Duramax is not going to happen thou that would be nice!

Dose Nissan make any box trucks that have a diesel out there?
found this its full of nissan trucks. I would like nissan to make its the motor if not then cummings. I doubt that you could find any mods if nissan put out it own motor though. It will be like the vk56 all over again.
 

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I'm not diesel fan, nor do I feel I need one, but diesel versus gas V6 is a no brainer, diesel for sure.

You would think maybe Nissan could learn from Toyota's errors, the V6 Tunddra was never a hit, and the fact that the T100 only had a V6 was the source of much scorn.
 

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Like I said in another thread (the killing the titan one), a V6 in the Titan would be a waste of money and resources. Gas mileage will still be crappy and you will have no power. Diesel is the way to go for sure. I'd personally like to see a CAT diesel in the Titan. Nissan would sell those things like crazy if the Titan came with a CAT diesel and a little badge on the side with a CAT symbol.
 

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I'm pretty sure that I read that Ford and Dodge sell more diesel pick-ups now than they do gas.
Ford sells more gas trucks.

I know the popular feeling here is diesel would be better, but I think V6 would be better for sales and to help our trucks from being killed off. Look at all the other makes out there. They sell more 6's than they do diesel's, due largely to the higher initial cost of diesels. If Nissan is serious about evolving the Titan, they need to level the field, and that field is entry level, no option, regular cab worktruck with a v6 (read: cheap for fleet vehicles).

Plus with diesel fuel rising, and in many places 30 cents a gallon more than gas, they dont fair as well in the cost per mile catagory as they used to. I know 2 people right now who are trading new diesels for gas engines cuz of cost. Just my .02
 

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I don't think Nissan can compete with that type of market it's too low margin and they don't that the capacity to build that many units to make a profit in the fleet business.
 

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i also think they should come out with a smaller v8 option such as as using a de tuned version of the 4.5l found in the fx 45 for people not wanting the big boy 5.6l just like ford has the 4.6 chevy has the 4.8 and 5.3 and dodge and toyota both have the 4.7. as well as the addition of a diesel and a v6 . also manual would be nice and single cab. all theses would help sales. people are cheap they need to understand that. as well as companies aren't gonna buy even a 25k truck if someone is offering a 16k one for company vechicles.. just my .02:)
 

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supertitan said:
they need to fix the titan truck first better fuel mileage, like 22 highway 18city by 2012. expand there line with flex fuel vehicles like GM. FLEX FUEL WILL BE HERE BRFORE GAS ELECTRIC.
there is a flex fuel option where have you been:upsidedow
 
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