Yeah.....

I don't think the Titan compares to the Power Wagon. I have seen the estimated prices at 35,000, which in my opinion is fair for what you get. It has everything STOCK that you would go and add anyway. Take a look at the undercarriage protection, skid plates, gearing, lockers, disconnecting sway bar, SOLID FRONT AXLE, etc. Once you add all that, the Titan will be just as heavy. Engine power is really of no consequence in comparison. The HEMI isnt all its cracked up to be, i agree, but it doesn't have to be. GEARS are where it matters, you think jeeps need 350HP to rock crawl?? We have a 35HP tractor that will pull the frame out of that Titan or Power Wagon. It's a completely different animal. It is built FOR offroad with on roading in mind, as opposed to the Titan built FOR onroad with offroading in mind.

Just my .02

 

re: Dodge Power Wagon '05 vs. Titan '04

I just read the article in my 4 wheeling magagine about the 2005 Dodge "Pretty"Wagon 4wd, with dual lockers and stock winch, for about $42,000.

Zzzzzz... :zzzz:

Powerwagon could be a good enough truck...






...if and only if a Titan wasn't available.

sure does look pretty, that's for sure.

at portly 6000# that phat truck does 0 to 60 MPH in 10 seconds.

4wd Titan's weighs 'bout 5600# or so and does 0 to 60 MPH in 7 seconds, with over $10,000+ cash leftover for real off-roading upgrades.

how many people tow over 9400#s..or even 7500#s on a regular basis. Powerwagon maybe good for towing, but i'd get a 3500 dualie with"monster" diesel for BIG towing, for $42,000.

for off-roading and general pickupin' fun: Titan's still the heavy weight champ.

PowerWagon does seem like a good pickup, so Nissan sure has shaken the (esp. off-road) truck world market and is still on top. :cheers:

I like the Titan very much but I'm sorry to inform you that the new Dodge is in a whole other league than the Titan. The Power Wagon will be the most capable off-road production pickup ever created compleat with an electronic disconnecting front sway bar, 4.56 gearing, Bilstein monotube high-pressure gas shock absorbers, 17 x 8-inch polished forged aluminum wheels and 33-inch BF Goodrich All-Terrain T/A tires (the tallest standard tires offered on a production pickup ever) a custom-built Warn 12,000-lb. winch and BOTH front AND Rear locking diffs. I'll still never buy a Dodge but sorry man, the new Power Wagon beats the Titan hands down as does the price tag. :cheers:

 

$10,000+ cash leftover

More than that in my case.$23,500
What the heck would someone do with a $40,000 truck?
Not drive down my dirt road I'm sure.Or put a rick of wood in the back.
Or go offroading with me and my landcruiser?

 

I like the Titan very much but I'm sorry to inform you that the new Dodge is in a whole other league than the Titan. The Power Wagon will be the most capable off-road production pickup ever created compleat with an electronic disconnecting front sway bar, 4.56 gearing, Bilstein monotube high-pressure gas shock absorbers, 17 x 8-inch polished forged aluminum wheels and 33-inch BF Goodrich All-Terrain T/A tires (the tallest standard tires offered on a production pickup ever) a custom-built Warn 12,000-lb. winch and BOTH front AND Rear locking diffs. I'll still never buy a Dodge but sorry man, the new Power Wagon beats the Titan hands down as does the price tag. :cheers:

Powerwagon ($42,000) and Titan 4wd LE KC ($30,000) has about the same stock tires 32.5" vs. 33". Titan 4wd costs less by over $10,000 with stock/factory rear locking differential, from its Off Road Package.
With $10,000 you can get installed front locking differential, Warn 12,000# winch, Bilstein shock, and a titanic-sized cooler with cases and cases of cold Samual Smith Oatmeal Stout beer (yum yum).

Clearly, Titan willbe faster on the highways, but on the Rubian OHV type of trail i'd bet the customized Titan will out rock the Powerwagon, even without the lift kit that could be added with the difference in money.

Only one way the settle this debate: for some one to test 'em out.

Meanwhile vw1972bugs, puff some air in between them smokes.

 

Squid's Titan

More than that in my case.$23,500
What the heck would someone do with a $40,000 truck?
Not drive down my dirt road I'm sure.Or put a rick of wood in the back.
Or go offroading with me and my landcruiser?

hello Squid

what gas milage you get?...i almost bought that truck: XE 4wd kc in black.

 

I might be interested in the power wagon if it had a cummins diesel option. Talk about bad gas milage with the hemi. When you factor in the weight, gearing,wheel size, Im guessing you wouldnt get better then 10mpg on a good day. guess you wouldnt buy it for the gas milage though

 

hello Squid

what gas milage you get?...i almost bought that truck: XE 4wd kc in black

I've been getting in the mid to high 17's since I went over 1000 miles.
10,600 miles now.

 

Powerwagon is built for another purpose than what most trucks are. It's really more of a work truck than a recreational truck.

It's built to be worked hard and is closer to a 3/4 ton than a 1/2 ton truck. That's the reason for it's price. Most people will find that a Titan OR with E-locker is more than they need and other's will use it for their extreme needs. The PowerWagon is a work truck, that's built to WORK off-road. Lumber indust., forestry, DNR, you name it. To get a specialized truck for that type of work, you would spend ~$40,000.

I go off road but have never needed more than a low gear with LSD. I never needed a Locker in my Xterra and rarely ever had to put it in low. With the Titan ABLS on the front axle, it has even more off-road worthiness.

If you going to be rock crawling or off-roading in either mud or over timber with a full payload, perhaps the powerwagon is what you need. I personally don't although having all that stuff would have benefits in bragging rights. However, I can't image a good on-road ride therefore the Titan is the best of both worlds.

Remember, the Titan 4X4 was 4 Wheeler's truck of the year prior to the Powerwagon.

Have a good one

 

although having all that stuff would have benefits in bragging rights

HMMM.I think i would rather keep my truck buy a nice Bass Boat and brag about the fish I caught.
Or a swimming pool.

 

No reason to even be such a vehicle. Nobody offroading does so in a 42k vehicle. They use POSs they build for the purpose at hand. The Powerwagon, other than a severe offroad vehicle, is overkill otherwise. The first moron who decides to lock the front and rear diffs on a snowy country road will end up an organ donor.

 

You guys are comparing apples to oranges in this case. No one looking at a Powerwagon would even look at a Titan and in most cases vice versa. You are getting bigger axles front and rear with the Powerwagon, a front AND rear locker, winch etc. While the Titan is a capable off-road truck, it's just not in the same league as the Dodge.

 

OneBadSE:

LMAO. :jester: YOu know that's the damn truth. THose Mopar folks are trying there dangedest to appeal to the Neanderthal with too much cash. That was funny, about the 2 axles.

 

No reason to even be such a vehicle. Nobody offroading does so in a 42k vehicle. They use POSs they build for the purpose at hand. The Powerwagon, other than a severe offroad vehicle, is overkill otherwise. The first moron who decides to lock the front and rear diffs on a snowy country road will end up an organ donor.

I'm fairly certain that people buying these trucks would know not to lock the axles on a snowy road...would hope so anyway.

 

I have not researched the power wagon, but it seems to me that trucks do not make good rock crawlers. Maybe it is a regional thing, but in Colorado the trails are narrow and there are tight switch backs. With a long wheel base you end up having to back up and make a 3 or 4 point turn, it would be worse if you are locked.

I am hoping the Titan makes a good tow vehicle to get my jeep to the trail.

Greg

 

You guys are comparing apples to oranges in this case. No one looking at a Powerwagon would even look at a Titan and in most cases vice versa. You are getting bigger axles front and rear with the Powerwagon, a front AND rear locker, winch etc. While the Titan is a capable off-road truck, it's just not in the same league as the Dodge.

Exactly my point.

"But you can modify the Titan, install a winch, modify this, modify that, blah blah blah... but but but...blah"

I'm sure you can modify a $500 used Ford Pinto with $41,500 of parts and mods to be a pretty mean and p!ssed off-road vehicle that would beat the snot out of the Titan and the Powerwagon combined.

Ha, I crack myself up. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
:jester:

 

Have to agree.. Why are we comparing a Power Wagon to a Titan, concerning off-road capabilities?

The Power Wagon is the Jeep Wrangler of pickup trucks. Its a RAM on steroids. Have you seen the front wheels articulate on the test footage? Once you disconnect that sway bar the thing looks like a Wrangler going crawling.

Lets not even go into lockers.. seeing how Titan's locker is pretty weak.

I can't afford a Power Wagon, but I have a TITAN and a WRANGLER already, so I'm set.

 

The Power Wagon will tear our trucks a part period!! Dodge finally did something right in a truck, that thing broke every challenge through at it. There will be a Cummins option later in the year and Dodge will be putting in their 6.1liter Hemi sometime in the future as well, probably later in the year or next. I priced it the other day with all the options I want came up to 41,795 msrp. I can get it for 1% below dealer invoice. What's nice is they geared the tranny and rear to make up for the Hemi's lack of low end which will really help it out. By the way the truck is a 3/4 ton. I will give a report on it once I test drive it next month. My dealer is supposed to call me when the one I was interested comes in..

 

Like most others are saying - you can't compare the 2. The PW is a Ram 2500 - a 3/4 ton truck, with even bigger axles than the normal 2500. And don't forget, when you talk about $42k, no one pays sticker for Dodges unless they got reamed by the dealer. Dodge dealers are much more willing to give cash back and deal up from invoice rather than down from sticker. They have a permanent $2,500 cash back deal goin on, and on their 04's right now, they have a $2500 cash back plus 0% financing for 60 months, or $5000 cash back. I don't think there are too many Nissan dealers offering that out there. So you can't really compare the PW's sticker to a Titans, much less the two trucks in general.

 

Like Dodge SRT lines and Viper lines you won't see any rebates on this unit for sometime or dealers wanting to deal unless they don't sell. This is Dodge's "Power Wagon" so I don't see them dealing to much off MSRP at first. Dodge owners will line up for this bad boy and they know it. Dodge fans have been waiting for the comeback of the Power Wagon. The more I read about this truck the more I become impressed, I hope it does good.

 

I don't think you can put SRT Dodges and the PW in the same category - SRT is for people that are willing to spend a lot of money on speed. The PW is a lot of cash to beat your truck up offroad. Pretty soon, they're not gonna be able to sell enough $40k+ trucks that are made to go wheelin. No rebates/incentives at first, but they'll come, whereas they'll never come w/the SRT line. Just MHO.

 

I might be interested in the power wagon if it had a cummins diesel option. Talk about bad gas milage with the hemi. When you factor in the weight, gearing,wheel size, Im guessing you wouldnt get better then 10mpg on a good day. guess you wouldnt buy it for the gas milage though

exactly. cummins diesel would be the only way to Dodge it, mostly for towing

 

I've been getting in the mid to high 17's since I went over 1000 miles.
10,600 miles now.

good going, 17s MPG on a 4wd Titan

my titan gets average 13: about 9 in city and 15 hwy

 

I'm not trying to put it in the same catergory just that it's going to be considered in a different catergory then Dodge's normal line. That truck is made for a certain market just like the SRT's. Most people will not be able to afford that truck period! With a Cummins you going to be looking at $50,000 for that truck with options. I bet we won't see rebates for that truck unless they don't get the numbers they originally planned or end of year sales. This is Dodge's flagship truck for the consumer market!

 

sweet combo: Titan & Wrangler

I have a TITAN and a WRANGLER already, so I'm set.

sweet combo: Titan & Wrangler

 

Its still a Dodge!!!!!

Nuff Said.