The JWT cams are a great product for the 04-06 years, but in 07 VVT was introduced to the VK56. Offering a product for a limited number of outdated Titans is kind of foolish IMO. I wish stillen would concentrate more on their VK PRO, so it would offer a selectable tuning range for 87-93 octane and cover all years of Titan production. I'm not flaming, just throwing out my opinion.
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Hey guys,
Just checking out the interest for a supercharger that can work with the JWT cams. If Stillen offered a kit that was pre-tuned and ready to work with the cams how many people would be interested?
(This is not saying that we will do it. I had a thread up already that didn't get much response but I was told that I was asking the wrong question. This is simply to see if there is interest.)
Just checking out the interest for a supercharger that can work with the JWT cams. If Stillen offered a kit that was pre-tuned and ready to work with the cams how many people would be interested?
(This is not saying that we will do it. I had a thread up already that didn't get much response but I was told that I was asking the wrong question. This is simply to see if there is interest.)
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yeah us 07 guys are left hung out to dry............
Well in general i think Stillen needs to step up to play. They offer a S/C, but have that outdated piggyback. Yeah you may be aiming to help the cam guys, but in retrospect it doesnt untill you offer tuning capabilities like Uprev. Truthfully, the tuning issue has alot of heads turned away as of now with the limitability. We welcome support in any aspect Kyle, god knows the Titan needs it!!! Kick that around at the water cooler on Monday and see wht happens. LOL
Some very interesting comments so far...Hope you all don't mind if I offer a little bit of a rebuttle.
Stillen has already developed the supercharger for the 07-8 Titan.
http://www.stillen.com/product.asp?id=STISUPR03&c=PE&year=2007&make=NISSAN&model=TITAN
The 07-08 VKPro will be ready in a couple of weeks.
We are gauging interest in the Titan owners that have cams and are also interested in superchargers. Just like when the guys with superchargers wanted long-tube headers we developed a custom tune for them as well.
The VKPro is designed to be a performance part. 87 octane is not a performance fuel.
We do not offer adjustable tuning for our superchargers for many reasons.
#1) If the motor were to blow up because someone improperly tuned it, who would everyone blame? Stillen
#2) We have CARB legality on this kit and by law the kit can not be adjustable otherwise the emissions would be altered therefore it would no longer be within state regulations and would make the kit illegal.
#3) We built this as a KIT. By kit we mean an all inclusive package that can be bolted on to the vehicle. Pre-tuned and ready to run. We have sold HUNDREDS of these kits.
Let me ask another question then...
If Stillen were to make a "tuner" kit that would consist of everything except for our piggyback and some of the other components involved in our tuning. Then we said go ahead and ask UPrev or another company to tune the truck for you, how many people would be interested in that as an option?
Again, I'm not saying that we're going to do that and I don't think we would want to do it. I'm just curious.
In regards to the piggyback tuning system. If we had a source for hand-held control units we would use it. I have personally talked with the engineers from Hypertech, SCT, Superchips and many other similar companies. All have told me that they either tried and failed to make something work, or they weren't interested.
Stillen has already developed the supercharger for the 07-8 Titan.
http://www.stillen.com/product.asp?id=STISUPR03&c=PE&year=2007&make=NISSAN&model=TITAN
The 07-08 VKPro will be ready in a couple of weeks.
We are gauging interest in the Titan owners that have cams and are also interested in superchargers. Just like when the guys with superchargers wanted long-tube headers we developed a custom tune for them as well.
The VKPro is designed to be a performance part. 87 octane is not a performance fuel.
We do not offer adjustable tuning for our superchargers for many reasons.
#1) If the motor were to blow up because someone improperly tuned it, who would everyone blame? Stillen
#2) We have CARB legality on this kit and by law the kit can not be adjustable otherwise the emissions would be altered therefore it would no longer be within state regulations and would make the kit illegal.
#3) We built this as a KIT. By kit we mean an all inclusive package that can be bolted on to the vehicle. Pre-tuned and ready to run. We have sold HUNDREDS of these kits.
Let me ask another question then...
If Stillen were to make a "tuner" kit that would consist of everything except for our piggyback and some of the other components involved in our tuning. Then we said go ahead and ask UPrev or another company to tune the truck for you, how many people would be interested in that as an option?
Again, I'm not saying that we're going to do that and I don't think we would want to do it. I'm just curious.
In regards to the piggyback tuning system. If we had a source for hand-held control units we would use it. I have personally talked with the engineers from Hypertech, SCT, Superchips and many other similar companies. All have told me that they either tried and failed to make something work, or they weren't interested.
Excellent rebuttal Kyle. And good explaination as to why the S/C is a piggyback system. Getting a S/C system to work with VVT within the same calendar year as its release, was impressive to me. The fact of the 07-08 coverage was already known, so I would assume that you are considering the same with the S/C and JWT issue you inquired of.
The mass market is never going to buy an untuned S/C and deal with another firm to tune it. I didn't buy my Titan, and push it down to AAMCO to find a transmission that may work with it.
Although I am not in the market for a S/C, I think you need to jump on this partnering of the cams, if you want to continue to be one of the leaders in the technical offerings for the Titan community. The acievements in this project, are going to raise the bar significantly, as long as the stock motor components can take it...
The mass market is never going to buy an untuned S/C and deal with another firm to tune it. I didn't buy my Titan, and push it down to AAMCO to find a transmission that may work with it.
Although I am not in the market for a S/C, I think you need to jump on this partnering of the cams, if you want to continue to be one of the leaders in the technical offerings for the Titan community. The acievements in this project, are going to raise the bar significantly, as long as the stock motor components can take it...
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Hey guys,
Just checking out the interest for a supercharger that can work with the JWT cams. If Stillen offered a kit that was pre-tuned and ready to work with the cams how many people would be interested?
(This is not saying that we will do it. I had a thread up already that didn't get much response but I was told that I was asking the wrong question. This is simply to see if there is interest.)
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Hey guys,
Just checking out the interest for a supercharger that can work with the JWT cams. If Stillen offered a kit that was pre-tuned and ready to work with the cams how many people would be interested?
(This is not saying that we will do it. I had a thread up already that didn't get much response but I was told that I was asking the wrong question. This is simply to see if there is interest.)
I'm listening!
Kyle, as we have talked I very interested in stage 3, cams, throttle body and as well other products. But I think the piggy should have one minor tunning option. For the record I believe the piggyback does protect the tranny and I like that because this my daily driver. My truck runs strong and have no problems with the way it is tunned. But if people are willing to put this type of money in a titan they probably want to use the power. Not talking of the line WOT because I believe the s/c provides enough..But if one wants to take it to the 1/4 track you will hit the speedlimiter and on the dyno you will hit the speedlimiter at 5300. My dyno cut off at 5300 and so did others. I believe Stillen s/c black beast also cuts of at 5300 on the dyno http://www.smithtownnissan.com/2.0/images/img_stillen_scharger_graph1_lg.jpg Other tunning companies remove the speed limiter and I believe this would be great start. Like others that bought already bought the s/c know Technosquare does not work with piggyback. Others haved looked at uprev to remove the speedlimiter. Uprev said they can do it but so did Technosqaure!! I for one do not want to mix tunning companies..I would just like to stick with stillen tune..If stillen would offer the removal of the speedlimiter or bumb it up it for the dyno and track this would be a great solution.....
#1......why would anyone "blame" Stillen?If they have their vehicle tuned by some other person or company i dont see the worry. With the data logging capabilities, the problem could be pinpointed. I have a pair of Stillen rear drilled brakes and Stillen's suggested Matrix pads.........and they have awfull judder. Have i written a bash about your brakes??? No. Different story I know. I believe in accountability though. However, slap a disclaimer on it and let the people tune if they want. We wont smear your name if we are held accountable for tuning. And actually the reason i never sprung for one is because the guys with the S/C dont have much to say about them. Plus there have been issues posted about them. I guess i just dont have full interest in a piggyback with such limitability.
My supercharger runs great with the piggyback tune it has on it now....It runs really strong with tune they give. Also the s/c has different tunes for the truck: with headers, without headers and sure when cams and stage 3 comes out as well. Kyle probably can answer better about the diffrent tunes that the s/c offers. I'm just guessing. I just think the speedlimiter is only thing holding back s/c. IMO. .I believe alot more people would buy the s/c if this was speedlimiter was removed. :haveredflroy365 said:#1......why would anyone "blame" Stillen?If they have their vehicle tuned by some other person or company i dont see the worry. With the data logging capabilities, the problem could be pinpointed. I have a pair of Stillen rear drilled brakes and Stillen's suggested Matrix pads.........and they have awfull judder. Have i written a bash about your brakes??? No. Different story I know. I believe in accountability though. However, slap a disclaimer on it and let the people tune if they want. We wont smear your name if we are held accountable for tuning. And actually the reason i never sprung for one is because the guys with the S/C dont have much to say about them. Plus there have been issues posted about them. I guess i just dont have full interest in a piggyback with such limitability.
Kyle why would stillen not offer to remove the speed limiter? I sure wish I could afford a supercharger, and cams, but for now it is out of reach. To many other fires to put out first.
I have already expressed my interest in your last post to no avail, but yes, I am interested in the JWT cams being compatible with the Stillen SC. Every pony adds up.
Definitely here also.:cheers: Just cause the motor that DOES need the cam uppdate(04-06 VK56)is 1-2 years old,that doesn't mean to cut the strings and move on to the next generation completely. We needed and wanted the cams and therefore as the cams were developed, alot of us installed them.. B4 this moment we were told (not just by stillen)our trucks are toooo new and be patient and wait for the developers to engineer or TUNE for that motor. Now we go from waiting to OBSOLETE?? I do agree with what's been said that as a TITAN leader in performance(just look at what all of us here at TT have of STILLEN products...proudly displayed in our sigs)I feel it would be in STILLEN'S best interest to fulfill a complete market for TITAN. It will keep repeat buyers and HELP keep many from looking(and finding)something elsewhere. Tks for what you have done for the TITAN market and please continue to exceed our expectations as you have already with many of your products.RyuTan said:I have already expressed my interest in your last post to no avail, but yes, I am interested in the JWT cams being compatible with the Stillen SC. Every pony adds up.
I will have to say Stillen is really the only company that has been developing products for the titan and I hope they continue to, I buy parts from stillen and have their s/c, insofar as removing the speed limiter thats up to stillen but I would be careful with that as well as raising the rev limiter or WOT unless you have a minium of 4k to upgrade your entire transmission.
Of course it runs strong......it has a freakin S/C on it!!! For anyone running a piggyback system, i truly dont think you understand that you truly arent getting your money's worth as far as tuning goes. I had the Unichip and it wasn't any kind of "tune".They also "claimed" to have different tunes on it as well. I am guessing about the same for the Stillen VK PRO with the S/C. I think basically all they do is get your fuel pressures & A/F ratios where they wont detonate your motor. I commend Stillen for actually supporting the Nissan community, and getting on here to see what we want and need. But, i wont be going S/C until the tuning capabilities steps up. Down time, limitability, cost, & poor results from the VKPRO don't work for me. Uprev has been on top of this game way longer as far as tuning goes, maybe someone else will realize that someday. :cheers:kuntao said:My supercharger runs great with the piggyback tune it has on it now....It runs really strong with tune they give. Also the s/c has different tunes for the truck: with headers, without headers and sure when cams and stage 3 comes out as well. Kyle probably can answer better about the diffrent tunes that the s/c offers. I'm just guessing. I just think the speedlimiter is only thing holding back s/c. IMO. .I believe alot more people would buy the s/c if this was speedlimiter was removed. :haveredfl
I agree the piggyback does its job in saving the tranny. I would not want the WOT burning my tranny as well. But would like the speedlimiter removed in order to go to the 1/4 track and not cut off on the dyno. Or find a safe way of removing the speedlimiter without effecting the tune from stillen. Kyle need help please...Can the dealership remove this...Can I pay you to remove this..lolFlippin Pips said:I will have to say Stillen is really the only company that has been developing products for the titan and I hope they continue to, I buy parts from stillen and have their s/c, insofar as removing the speed limiter thats up to stillen but I would be careful with that as well as raising the rev limiter or WOT unless you have a minium of 4k to upgrade your entire transmission.
Does the S/C offer that much more HP from dead start as say a modded truck with a 150 shot of NOS? There are several trucks launching at WOT with hard hitting HP and their trannies are fine. I would go out on a limb and say IMO you wouldnt have to worry about that unless you are racing every weekend or at every redlight. I feel sorry for anyone who spends that kind of loot and still has a speed governor AND limited RPM ranges. You may get me off the line by a lil bit........but i'm goanna be laughing at 140mph with you 1/4 mile behind me on the interstate!!!!!!
If Stillen would build a supercharged Titan with the upgrades that the Titan is going to need to let the Stillen SC really show what it's capable of doing without having to be soo restricted, they would hit a home run. Build a Titan with an upgraded transmission, true-trac, headers, exhaust, etc., and slap your supercharger in it tuned by Uprev (or who ever) to take the bloody restrictions out and show what the possibilities a SC set-up can do in a truck that can handle the power. Take it to the track, put some slicks on with light rims instead of huge bling rims and street tires, and run the sh!t out of the truck. Show what it's capable of, and what it's gonna cost to get there. This might be just what it's gonna take to sway owners to choose a supercharger set-up over the other set-ups that has already been proven to be powerfull, fast, reliable, and cost efficient. Like the one pioneered by Toomnymods and others. His set-up is great, more and more are following in his footsteps cause it's proven on the strip. This is what the members who are regular dragstrip racers want, a powerfull set-up that's proven to run the times they are looking for, for the money they spend. You give them a bada$$ SC set-up and prove it on the strip, your gonna have the guys that a SC+camms set-up is actually targeting willing to take the plunge. If I'm talking out of turn mods fell free to edit this post.
To this date, there hasn't been one VK Pro Titan user post any 1/4 mile times. I find that very unusual since hundreds have been sold over the past year. That casts a suspicious eye on the product IMO.
I was the first to have Unichip paperweight along with RB and we both got full refunds Unichip. Unichip on the dyno did worse than stock...That's we I received a full refund from them...I know the VK Pro does do better than stock..They are the same..Did you get a refund from Unchip like RB and I did? I have no problem with the tune of my s/c that stillens provide.. It runs great and my tranny is being protected because of the tune. WOT is not a good mix with the s/c..I just want to get rid of the speedlimiter...lolroy365 said:Of course it runs strong......it has a freakin S/C on it!!! For anyone running a piggyback system, i truly dont think you understand that you truly arent getting your money's worth as far as tuning goes. I had the Unichip and it wasn't any kind of "tune".They also "claimed" to have different tunes on it as well. I am guessing about the same for the Stillen VK PRO with the S/C. I think basically all they do is get your fuel pressures & A/F ratios where they wont detonate your motor. I commend Stillen for actually supporting the Nissan community, and getting on here to see what we want and need. But, i wont be going S/C until the tuning capabilities steps up. Down time, limitability, cost, & poor results from the VKPRO don't work for me. Uprev has been on top of this game way longer as far as tuning goes, maybe someone else will realize that someday. :cheers:
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