i am a Benidect Arnold...according to a chevy owner

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titanhornet

Discussion Starter · Feb 26, 2011

I was in a nice discussion about the economy, the value of the dollar, and the market. I was making strong point about the dollar being weak and that is why prices are high, and how the fluxuation of oil prices effect our market, the loans from China etc... you know all that stuff the Bill O'Reilly talks about...Then he looks out the door and looks at my titan. Then he informs me that "people like you that buy foreign cars are the reason why we are in a recession! You are a Benidict Arnold for turning your back on the Big 3 and America!" What do you say to a person like that? I thought our trucks were made in Mississippi; which brings jobs to American workers etc. Needless to say it wasn't worth discussing this topic anymore. :ftard: Just had to vent.

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Quartz

· #2 · Feb 26, 2011 (Edited)

Tell him you want to walk out to his truck and look at the sticker on the door jamb. The Silverado is built at six GM plants; Flint Assembly (Michigan), Fort Wayne Assembly (Indiana), Oshawa Assembly (Ontario), Pontiac Assembly (Michigan), Silao Assembly (Mexico), and Toluca Assembly (Mexico) Plants.

titanhornet

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 26, 2011

I told him that his chevy was probably made in mexico, he wouldn't let me look.

TitanBlue

· #4 · Feb 26, 2011

The only major part that is imported. is the Transmission (Japan). It seems most vehicles have their Electrical harnesses Made in Mexico. Body, Frame, Sheet metal, Engine are all Made in USA. Design Team Leader of the truck was an American woman. I too, am averse to purchasing imported items, and resisted looking at the Imports. I wanted much more room for family of 4 for traveling, and had a Ford Escape that was too cramped with all the girls luggage. Also wanted room for their friends, so a Bench Seat 1/2 Ton Pickup was a good solution. At the time, these were my basic thoughts on a 1/2 Ton CC, all nice vehicles really, but... (June 2006):

Chevy - Dash still somewhat resembled my parents old 1972 Suburban. Nice Interior though. All GMC at work, did not want coworkers thinking it was a Co. truck. Good Truck
Ford - Relatively weak engine, what about that Spark Plug? Interior OK. Reputation high. Good Truck.
Dodge - Cramped CC. Mega Cab is a 3/4 Ton. Transmission Reputation below avg. Hmmm, nay....
Toyota - 7/8 Size Original Tundra, not worth selling my Escape for that dinky thing! No way. Asked salesman "...what is a Toyota Titan?" Directed me to Nissan...
Nissan - Largest Interior and very impressive Engine/Transmission. Creative Styling. Decent price for features on an XE Pref. Pkg BT. Easy Decision. Never regretted it.

I didn't plan on being a Titan enthusiast...

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thad5515

· #5 · Feb 26, 2011

I think I would just tell him to "Lick Ballz Chopper!!!!"

Misfit

· #6 · Feb 26, 2011

If anyone is a "Benidect Arnold" it's the scumbags who outsource "American" products to foreign countries.

So what is more patriotic? Supporting corporate scumbag who took jobs away from Americans (while taking their tax dollars for a bailout) or buying a product that was actually built by American workers.

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galiath05

· #7 · Feb 26, 2011

Misfit said:
If anyone is a "Benidect Arnold" it's the scumbags who outsource "American" products to foreign countries.

So what is more patriotic? Supporting corporate scumbag who took jobs away from Americans (while taking their tax dollars for a bailout) or buying a product that was actually built by American workers.

x2 what he said!

Papa_D

· #8 · Feb 26, 2011 (Edited)

As long as Banksters, the Federal Reserve and EnviroNazis continue to have their way with the world and the ever manipulated value of the various fiat currencies, not to mention multinational corporations who take full advantage of "being American" while hiding their profits offshore instead of paying their fair share, we are all in serious trouble and it really doesn’t make much difference where you buy your goods from in the meantime, not until those two main problems are addressed anyway and in the end, the only way Americans will ever be able to "buy American" is if we prevent the various corporations from pretending to be American when they are something else entirely.

By the way, our other vehicle is a Subaru that was designed and made entirely in Japan and the way I look at it, at least I know where it came from and it isn't some bastardized amalgamation of various components slapped together by some multinational conglomerate who was attempting to profit off the absolute cheapest labor available at the expense of quality or durability and I can also just about be guaranteed that the guys that put it together gave a damn about what they were doing at the time.

America has lost it's way and if we don't find it but quick, we will have much greater worries than where we bought our last vehicle, like whether EnviroNazis allow the rest of us to drive them at all or whether Banksters and Profit Prostitutes have us paying 10 dollars a gallon for gas to do so.

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9balllrook

· #9 · Feb 26, 2011

besides there are more parts made in the USA for our trucks than for Chevys, I believe it's 7-8%.

HudsonValleyTitan

· #10 · Feb 26, 2011

The argument, stupid as it is, has to do with the company.. not where the vehicle is built. Nissan is a Japanese based company so the mindset is that the money goes to Japan. The big 3, regardless of final assembly place, are American companies thus their money stays here. I don't give a shyt. I don't like what the big 3 build so I spend my money where I find it will go farther and last longer. So if the hillbillies out west want to keep buying inferior union built products JUST to support their American companies who just spit out crap to keep the lazys employed, let them. They're apparently not smart enough to "get it".

Papa_D

· #11 · Feb 26, 2011

HudsonValleyTitan said:
The big 3, regardless of final assembly place, are American companies thus their money stays here.

Don't bet on it, lol.

TitanBlue

· #12 · Feb 26, 2011

Companies Invest where they make Money. That is their purpose, not nationalism/patriotism. GMC is having great success in China with the Chevy brand. I'd imagine they will spend Money in China, to make Money in China. Eventually it does show up on their home countries P/L Statements. Profit can be minimized by heavy investing. Paying taxes is not their goal... a return on Investment is. Profit or increased Equity.

Nothing wrong with making money though, an open market is what most of us desire, and should attempt to support. No country will succeed with only its own natural resources utilized.

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Pops

· #13 · Feb 26, 2011 (Edited)

To be honest, I think if anyone said that to me in person I might break his jaw... Kinda a sensative sore spot for me since I have so many friends that were outta work for a long time after GM closed the plant here to move it to Mexico... They collapsed the economy here pretty good then had the balls to collect bailout money... Besides the fact that it's my friggin' hard earned money and I want the most bang I can get for it, that's NOONE else's business....

This was my last Online response to that type of comment:

PopsRacer said:
MARK VANDERBENT said:

Go ahead and rip on GM!! Chevy just so happened to out sell every other brand in the month of January. I guess not everyone wants the foreign stuff. Go ahead buy foreign and send those profits right out of the country!! Its your right !!!

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It's also my right to keep US Factory Workers in Mississippi employed instead of sending my money down to support Production Plant Employees in Mexico... Would you like to see a pic of the abandoned GM Plant here that left THOUSANDS of Oklahoma US Employees OUT OF WORK and moved ALL their jobs down to central Mexico??? I got somethin' for GM right here and it ain't green...

County wants to buy GM plant | NewsOK Videos

For some reason, I never received a reply to that post... :dunno: I just don't think I could keep my cool enough to speak if I actually heard those words come out of someone's mouth...

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Guttzu

· #14 · Feb 27, 2011

I'm originally from Michigan and I had this argument with 2 uncles who retired from GM... "Blake... what are you doing buying that foreign crap?" I respond with the Mississippi thing and how GM is partially assembled in Mexico... They didn't want to hear this so we took a little drive around the Lansing area... They shut up real quick when we drove by the closed Oldsmobile plant and then I asked why did GM ask for all that money from the government? I then asked why the "Big 3" all had to ask for money when Nissan didn't? Hmmm... Smart business ventures 20 years ago and planning for this to happen? It ended up with neither uncle giving a crap about Nissan or other "foreign" vehicles... I guess I'm not a patriot for buying a truck assembled in Mississippi...

Papa_D

· #15 · Feb 27, 2011

TitanBlue said:
Paying taxes is not their goal... a return on Investment is. Profit or increased Equity.

Until they pay their fair share of taxes to at least cover the military protection they receive, not to mention the government contracts many of them get as well, the rest of us should stop sacrificing the blood and treasure which allows them to operate in areas that would otherwise be too hostile to do business in.

Even the nation’s top Iraq war contractor, Kellogg Brown & Root (a former Halliburton subsidiary), was able to avoid paying hundreds of millions in Medicare and Social Security taxes for years — all while receiving $16 billion in plum contracts.

Broken Government | Failure: U.S. Companies Hiding Revenue Offshore

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Papa_D

· #16 · Feb 27, 2011

Pops said:
To be honest, I think if anyone said that to me in person I might break his jaw... Kinda a sensative sore spot for me since I have so many friends that were outta work for a long time after GM closed the plant here to move it to Mexico... They collapsed the economy here pretty good then had the balls to collect bailout money... Besides the fact that it's my friggin' hard earned money and I want the most bang I can get for it, that's NOONE else's business....

This was my last Online response to that type of comment:

For some reason, I never received a reply to that post... :dunno: I just don't think I could keep my cool enough to speak if I actually heard those words come out of someone's mouth...

Ford, GM and GE just to name a few are up to the same old tricks and it would be nice if, at the very least, we didn't end up fighting against foreign soldiers equipped by "U.S." corporations in the next big one.

GM and Ford, through their subsidiaries, controlled 70 percent of the German automobile market when war broke out in 1939. Those companies "rapidly retooled themselves to become suppliers of war materiel to the Germany army," writes Michael Dobbs in the Washington Post.

"When American GIs invaded Europe in June 1944, they did so in jeeps, trucks and tanks manufactured by the Big Three motor companies in one of the largest crash militarization programs ever undertaken," observes Dobbs. "It came as an unpleasant surprise to discover that the enemy was also driving trucks manufactured by Ford and Opel — a 100 percent GM-owned subsidiary — and flying Opel-built warplanes."

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jdmartin

· #17 · Feb 27, 2011

I understand the premise of what the guy was aiming for, but you can have a much bigger impact by quitting Walmart. Even though Nissan is a foreign country, a)it's Japanese and they have a similar standard of living so trade with them is fair, and b)building the Titan employed a lot of American workers, which is the most important end-game to me. Pretty much all the car companies have a strong manufacturing presence in the US, so if you buy one of these cars you helped employ a lot of people, and the more successful those factories are, the more money will be invested in those factories and more job growth will happen there - in contrast to the more plastic pieces of crapola you buy from Walmart, the more Chinese workers that are employed and the further the nail is driven into American manufacturing.

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