I have the JBA exhaust and the Injen intake. No dyno results, but I'm extremely happy with the performance and sound improvement.
Just starting out and have a few questions...
I have an '04 Titan, completely stock, that I've been intending on modding for some time now (she's been my baby for a little more than a year now). Anyway, like I said, I'm just starting out and I'd love some of your opinions on this stuff.
I've already decided on a JBA Evol Exhaust system thanks to toomnymods and others, but that'll come a bit later. First, I'm planning on putting in a CAI, but I'm unsure of which would be better. Right now, I'm considering either an AEM Brute Force or an Ingen Powerflow. From a post below, I've gathered these stats:
AEM Brute Force Intake System
HP: 17.9 hp @ 3750 RPM
TQ: 25.0 lb-ft @ 3750 RPM
50 State Legal : Pending
MSRP: $373.23
Street Price: $260
vs.
Injen Powerflow
HP: 28 hp
TQ: 43 lb-ft
50 State Legal: Unknown
MSRP: Unknown
Street Price: $370.
On its face, it appears the Ingen puts up much more impressive numbers, but I've lived long enough to know that stats may not necessarily be the whole story. I'd love to hear from y'all on your opinions regarding these based on performance, quality, best bang for the buck (although if the Ingen really does put out numbers like it appears to vs the AEM, I wouldn't mind spending a little extra).
On another note, I'm also considering headers. I'm considering the JBA headers versus the Stillen headers. How do they compare performance-wise? I noticed that the Stillens are a bit more expensive than the JBAs (less so as you upgrade the finishes) and they also appear to be a bit illegal for street-use. If you have the Stillens, what do you do when inspection time comes around? Just take them off? If so, how much of a pita is it taking them out and then back in?
I know this post was a bit long, but then again, I am just starting out and may not be as mechanically gifted as some of you due to a childhood spent on other things, so I really appreciate any help you all can give me.
I've already decided on a JBA Evol Exhaust system thanks to toomnymods and others, but that'll come a bit later. First, I'm planning on putting in a CAI, but I'm unsure of which would be better. Right now, I'm considering either an AEM Brute Force or an Ingen Powerflow. From a post below, I've gathered these stats:
AEM Brute Force Intake System
HP: 17.9 hp @ 3750 RPM
TQ: 25.0 lb-ft @ 3750 RPM
50 State Legal : Pending
MSRP: $373.23
Street Price: $260
vs.
Injen Powerflow
HP: 28 hp
TQ: 43 lb-ft
50 State Legal: Unknown
MSRP: Unknown
Street Price: $370.
On its face, it appears the Ingen puts up much more impressive numbers, but I've lived long enough to know that stats may not necessarily be the whole story. I'd love to hear from y'all on your opinions regarding these based on performance, quality, best bang for the buck (although if the Ingen really does put out numbers like it appears to vs the AEM, I wouldn't mind spending a little extra).
On another note, I'm also considering headers. I'm considering the JBA headers versus the Stillen headers. How do they compare performance-wise? I noticed that the Stillens are a bit more expensive than the JBAs (less so as you upgrade the finishes) and they also appear to be a bit illegal for street-use. If you have the Stillens, what do you do when inspection time comes around? Just take them off? If so, how much of a pita is it taking them out and then back in?
I know this post was a bit long, but then again, I am just starting out and may not be as mechanically gifted as some of you due to a childhood spent on other things, so I really appreciate any help you all can give me.
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Check out this thread in the performance section.
http://www.club titan.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13697
I have the Volant Gen 3, With the Noise Reduction Mod, All the power without the noise.
http://www.club titan.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39587
Copy and paste the url, remove the space between Club & Titan
http://www.club titan.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13697
I have the Volant Gen 3, With the Noise Reduction Mod, All the power without the noise.
http://www.club titan.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39587
Copy and paste the url, remove the space between Club & Titan
What you could start out with is uprev and as you get your intake and exhaust etc, tell him and hell retune it for you for no charge so you could get the best performance out your truck, uprev is an amazing tuner and is also a diagnostic reader for when your chk engine light comes on,it can also do much more than that.
Dyno #'s for intakes dont mean squat for actual street gains. In reality, they are all very close you will not be able to feel a seat of the pants difference, being that you go with a name brand that is tested and tuned to read correct MAF readings. Injen is asome in apearence and never heard a complaint. Pricy is the downfall. Other than that i would recromend also The AEM Brutforce like you mentioned, and the S&B (Very similar to volant with a slighty better oiled filter, and cheaper ). These 2 are cheap and from my experience S&B's customer service is the best in the business
Thanks for the rather immediate responses, everybody. I guess now I'm mainly considering the AEM Brute Force or the S&B (never really took much notice of them until now). Titanss, the first link was very informative. Seems to me like those two are really probably the best bang for the buck; the hard part will be choosing between them now.
As for the headers...any comments on the Stillen vs JBAs?
Also concerning Uprev, I'd love to get it...the price is just a bit intimidating right now. It sounds great from what I hear about it though. I'm a bit confused as to the procedure though. Do you actually ship your truck's ECU to the Uprev people and have 'em do their magic and they ship it back to you with the program? I looked at their site and being the non-technical guy I am, I don't really understand what it all involves. Also another...more trivial issue: can you use something other than the cruise control buttons to change maps? I'm a bit fond of those actually especially on long trips.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I am just learning so please do have patience with me.
As for the headers...any comments on the Stillen vs JBAs?
Also concerning Uprev, I'd love to get it...the price is just a bit intimidating right now. It sounds great from what I hear about it though. I'm a bit confused as to the procedure though. Do you actually ship your truck's ECU to the Uprev people and have 'em do their magic and they ship it back to you with the program? I looked at their site and being the non-technical guy I am, I don't really understand what it all involves. Also another...more trivial issue: can you use something other than the cruise control buttons to change maps? I'm a bit fond of those actually especially on long trips.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I am just learning so please do have patience with me.
there are two option with uprev..TheRedBeast said:Do you actually ship your truck's ECU to the Uprev people and have 'em do their magic and they ship it back to you with the program? I looked at their site and being the non-technical guy I am, I don't really understand what it all involves. Also another...more trivial issue: can you use something other than the cruise control buttons to change maps? I'm a bit fond of those actually especially on long trips.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I am just learning so please do have patience with me.
1. you can send them your ECU, they'll flash it, then send it back and i believe that is $300.
2. you can order the Osiris software and they will send you what you need to flash it yourself with whatever flash you want. this is $700.
im in the same boat as you, im not very mechanical inclined but from what i hear from the guys here and talking to Matt from uprev it is very simple to do.
from what i understand about the cruise control buttons they will still function as cruise control. there's a special way to switch maps but otherwise they are used normally while on the road.
Alright...so can I take that to mean that I could adjust the ECU for whatever mods I get? I'm a bit confused because I see people like toomnymods having the Uprev people work on that themselves?
Anyway, as for the $300 option, I assume you just tell them what mods you have and they work with that?
From what I can understand, the $700 option is the best for the money...plus I'd hate to be stranded without an ECU for however many days they needed to reflash it.
Anyway, as for the $300 option, I assume you just tell them what mods you have and they work with that?
From what I can understand, the $700 option is the best for the money...plus I'd hate to be stranded without an ECU for however many days they needed to reflash it.
Yes Uprev is indeed worth the money. The $700 way is the best route. You tell them what you have and they create 3 "MAPS " you want. EX: 89tune, 93 oct tune, valet tune etc. And if you add another part you can run a 0-60 or 0-90 or whatever, and they will look at it and fine tune it. Then they email you the tune and you reflash in like 4 minutes or less. That way you have a perfect A/F ratio etc. Ive had Hypertech and superchip programmers on my silverados that didnt do anything for the$ 450 price tag. Plus my motor ran lean as i eventually found out.TheRedBeast said:Alright...so can I take that to mean that I could adjust the ECU for whatever mods I get? I'm a bit confused because I see people like toomnymods having the Uprev people work on that themselves?
Anyway, as for the $300 option, I assume you just tell them what mods you have and they work with that?
From what I can understand, the $700 option is the best for the money...plus I'd hate to be stranded without an ECU for however many days they needed to reflash it.
And yes your Cruise control buttons work the same. There is a sequance to change maps i wont mention on the forums because it is like a security for us lol.
My advice is get the intake and exhaust you want and have fun. Then when the new found power feeling wears off, get uprev. Then it will literally make your truck a "RedBeast"!! lol Members report an average of aound 1/2 sec gain in 1/4 mile just by removing the TQ mangment.
Thanks for all the invaluable help. Uprev is sounding extremely attractive right now. I'd heard it was great and all, but I wasn't sure what all it entailed. Like you suggested, I'm gonna get the intake and exhaust before and just enjoy it for a while, and then once I'm ready, I'll go ahead and get Uprev with the Osiris software.
I think I'm pretty much gonna get the S&B's for my intake. They sound really nice and are also among the cheapest of the CAIs out there. As for the headers, I'll probably get me some JBA's so that I don't have to worry about passing inspection and so on. Can't wait to get the exhaust either. I'm definitely ready for something different.
Anyway, again, thanks all for your help. Hopefully, soon my truck will be able to deserve its name among you folks (not just only among my friends with their fords, chevys, and dodges).
I think I'm pretty much gonna get the S&B's for my intake. They sound really nice and are also among the cheapest of the CAIs out there. As for the headers, I'll probably get me some JBA's so that I don't have to worry about passing inspection and so on. Can't wait to get the exhaust either. I'm definitely ready for something different.
Anyway, again, thanks all for your help. Hopefully, soon my truck will be able to deserve its name among you folks (not just only among my friends with their fords, chevys, and dodges).
By the way, one last thing...what if any maintenance is the CAI gonna need?
not much at all. You can re oil the filter if it gets dirty. S&B will probably throw in the re oil kit very cheap or free if you order it direct. Free engraving on the clear lid if you want tooTheRedBeast said:By the way, one last thing...what if any maintenance is the CAI gonna need?
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