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Had this sent to me recently. It brings up a very interesting question regarding Obama's citizenship.

The Obama birth issue, might be clarified by answering one simple question:

What passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi in 1981?

It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A: Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he were traveling with a British passport, that would provide evidence that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport, that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian stepfather in 1967.

Had due diligence been done to begin with, this issue would not still be lurking around.

Does anybody know how to verify if Pakistan really was on the no travel list in 1981? Would that prevent an American citizen from entering the country with an American passport?

The American people deserve answers and should demand them.
 

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Snopes says no. snopes.com: Barack Obama's Passport

whether that is true or not??


what exactly is snopes? who is it? where did they come from, etc?
I don't trust Snopes. I have seen numerous entries that are inaccurate and indicate they are not unbiased where Obama and the democratic agenda is concerned.
 

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So let's not use Snopes as a guide.

Can you show me on the US State Department's website where it says that one cannot travel to another country on the no fly list?

Passport Home

This is what I could find.
Travel Warnings are issued to describe long-term, protracted conditions that make a country dangerous or unstable. A Travel Warning is also issued when the U.S. Government's ability to assist American citizens is constrained due to the closure of an embassy or consulate or because of a drawdown of its staff. The countries listed below meet those criteria.
 

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So let's not use Snopes as a guide.

Can you show me on the US State Department's website where it says that one cannot travel to another country on the no fly list?

Passport Home

This is what I could find.
Try to book a flight to Cuba and see.
 

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You can fly to Cuba and can do so commercially probably in the next few years.

Right now, chartering is the option and you can do so if you are part of a humanitarian group.
 

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Everyone knows Obama was born in Kenya. Here is a copy
of his birth certificate.........looks much more real than that
fake certificate from Hawaii..:D
That one is obviously a fake because he was born in Kenya on the 4th, lol.

Personally I wouldn't give a crap if he was born in D.C. on the fourth of July, the guy is still nothing but a Facialist and leading this nation straight to Green Hell but that's OK I guess because according to Obama, the new Health Scare plan has excellent provisions for burn treatment, lol.
 

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"Children born overseas out of wedlock

There is an asymmetry in the way children born overseas to unmarried parents, only one of whom is a U.S. citizen, are treated. 8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (c) provides that children born abroad on or after January 13, 1941, and before December 24, 1952 to unmarried American mothers are automatically considered natural-born citizens, as long as the mother has lived in the US for a continuous period of at least one year, anytime prior to the birth. 8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (a) provides that such children born to American fathers unmarried to the children's non-American mothers are not considered natural-born citizens (or citizens at all) unless the father takes several actions:

* Unless deceased, has agreed to provide financial support to the child until he reaches 18,
* Establish paternity by clear and convincing evidence and, while the person is under the age of 18 years
o the person is legitimated under the law of the person’s residence or domicile,
o the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or
o the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.
+ Acknowledgement of paternity can be shown by acknowledging paternity under oath and in writing; having the issue adjudicated by a court; or having the child otherwise "legitimated" by law. USC 8, 1409(a).[dead link]

Because of this rule, unusual cases have arisen whereby children have been born overseas to American men (and non-American women), brought back to the United States as babies without the mother, raised by the American father in the United States, and later held to be deportable as non-citizens in their 20s.[17][18]. The final element has taken an especially significant importance in these circumstances, as once the child has reached 18, the father is forever unable to establish paternity to deem his child a natural-born citizen. [19]

This distinction between unwed fathers and mothers was constructed and reaffirmed by Congress in response to concerns that a flood of illegitimate Korean and Vietnamese children would later claim American citizenship as a result of their parentage by American servicemen overseas fighting wars in their countries. In many cases, American servicemen passing through in wartime may not have even realized they had fathered a child. The Supreme Court, by 5-4 majority in Tuan Anh Nguyen v. INS, established the constitutionality of this gender distinction."

"Eligibility for office of President

According to the Constitution of the United States only natural born citizens are eligible to serve as President of the United States or as Vice President. The text of the Constitution does not define what is meant by natural born — specifically if there is any distinction to be made between persons whose claim to citizenship is based on jus soli (birthplace) and those whose claim is based on jus sanguinis (parentage). As a result, controversies have erupted over the eligibility of a number of candidates for the office. These questions arise particularly when a candidate is an American citizen by jus sanguinis birthright, but was born outside of the territory of the United States.

A person who is a citizen by birthright but not born on American soil has also been legally considered to be natural born, as in the case of 2008 Republican Presidential candidate John McCain, who was born in Panama. A bipartisan legal review[20] and a unanimous but non-binding Senate resolution[21] both concluded that he is a natural-born citizen."
 

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"Children born overseas out of wedlock

There is an asymmetry in the way children born overseas to unmarried parents, only one of whom is a U.S. citizen, are treated. 8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (c) provides that children born abroad on or after January 13, 1941, and before December 24, 1952 to unmarried American mothers are automatically considered natural-born citizens, as long as the mother has lived in the US for a continuous period of at least one year, anytime prior to the birth. 8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (a) provides that such children born to American fathers unmarried to the children's non-American mothers are not considered natural-born citizens (or citizens at all) unless the father takes several actions:

* Unless deceased, has agreed to provide financial support to the child until he reaches 18,
* Establish paternity by clear and convincing evidence and, while the person is under the age of 18 years
o the person is legitimated under the law of the person’s residence or domicile,
o the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or
o the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.
+ Acknowledgement of paternity can be shown by acknowledging paternity under oath and in writing; having the issue adjudicated by a court; or having the child otherwise "legitimated" by law. USC 8, 1409(a).[dead link]

Because of this rule, unusual cases have arisen whereby children have been born overseas to American men (and non-American women), brought back to the United States as babies without the mother, raised by the American father in the United States, and later held to be deportable as non-citizens in their 20s.[17][18]. The final element has taken an especially significant importance in these circumstances, as once the child has reached 18, the father is forever unable to establish paternity to deem his child a natural-born citizen. [19]

This distinction between unwed fathers and mothers was constructed and reaffirmed by Congress in response to concerns that a flood of illegitimate Korean and Vietnamese children would later claim American citizenship as a result of their parentage by American servicemen overseas fighting wars in their countries. In many cases, American servicemen passing through in wartime may not have even realized they had fathered a child. The Supreme Court, by 5-4 majority in Tuan Anh Nguyen v. INS, established the constitutionality of this gender distinction."

"Eligibility for office of President

According to the Constitution of the United States only natural born citizens are eligible to serve as President of the United States or as Vice President. The text of the Constitution does not define what is meant by natural born — specifically if there is any distinction to be made between persons whose claim to citizenship is based on jus soli (birthplace) and those whose claim is based on jus sanguinis (parentage). As a result, controversies have erupted over the eligibility of a number of candidates for the office. These questions arise particularly when a candidate is an American citizen by jus sanguinis birthright, but was born outside of the territory of the United States.

A person who is a citizen by birthright but not born on American soil has also been legally considered to be natural born, as in the case of 2008 Republican Presidential candidate John McCain, who was born in Panama. A bipartisan legal review[20] and a unanimous but non-binding Senate resolution[21] both concluded that he is a natural-born citizen."
Nice to see someone that posted actual statistics & not by-party spin.
 

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A person who is a citizen by birthright but not born on American soil has also been legally considered to be natural born, as in the case of 2008 Republican Presidential candidate John McCain, who was born in Panama. A bipartisan legal review[20] and a unanimous but non-binding Senate resolution[21] both concluded that he is a natural-born citizen."
Very interesting. Was there a bipartisan legal review or a Senate resolution regarding Obama's citizenship?
 

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Very interesting. Was there a bipartisan legal review or a Senate resolution regarding Obama's citizenship?
The man is president. I mean literally when anything is brought up in a presidental campaign. There are people that look into it.
 
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