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MODS: I did not post this in the Hunting/Fishing thread because it doesn't deal specifically with hunting alone.

There is legislation being considered that would force people to register each gun they own and to pay annual registration fees on each. In addition, each gun owner would be fingerprinted.

If you want to learn more about the legislation the NRA has some data
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http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=2835

This legislation is unconstitutional at its core and should be
rejected--but it lives on and is under consideration. There is an online petition that Sam Smith has on his site, and there is a down loadable version there as well I encourage you to tell people about this and to contact state reps to make certain that this is stopped cold!

http://www.samsmithpahouse.com/?sectionid=171&sectiontree=171
 

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It will be interesting if it goes to court, as I'm not sure that from what I just read it would be unconstitutional, but that's a Supreme Court question. It doesn't prevent you owning arms, it just taxes you for it so I don't know.

Having said that, I don't like it in the least. Not even a little. Remember, they're your rights until you give them away. After that, the best you can do is call them your priveleges. I do hope it gets shot down.
 

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That is a way to find out who has a gun, down the road make those who have them turn them in because of a new law that will be passed!
 

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I sent this to several representatives:

Gentlemen,

I am writing to express my deep concern and vehement opposition to the newly
proposed Gun Registration Act. This Act fly's in the face of the US Constitution
and most certainly will guarantee more victims in society than have existed in history.

The second amendment was clear when it stated:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

The second amendment is not about duck hunting. It was established as a deterrent! The proposed “registration” is a clear infringement on our constitutionally granted rights--to keep and bear arms--as well maintain the security of a free state. As such this proposed legislation is unconstitutional and should be summarily dismissed without additional consideration.

Further, in a state such as Pennsylvania, I fail to even understand how the proposal for such legislation has made it this far. How can there be a single legislator who actually believes this legislation will result in a reduction of violent crime? Look only as far as major US cities who have already enacted more stringent legislation--albeit constitutionally questionable--and show me how their violent crime rates are acceptable. Are legislators so simple as to believe that criminals will register the arms they have or procure to commit crimes? Do legislators actually believe that criminals will not be able to procure/possess firearms once this legislation is enacted? Either way, the notion of this legislation is preposterous!

If the VA Tech incident--or the Amish School incident--are being used as examples of acts that could have been avoided with the passage of this legislation, I beg to differ. Acts such as the these incidents will be difficult--if not impossible--to stop. When someone is committed to doing destruction on this scale, they will find a way. And bad as they were--it could have been worse!

In my opinion this is unconstitutional and representative of junk legislation! This legislation will only make criminals of otherwise law abiding citizens who opt not to comply--due to constitutionally granted rights! The state's time could be better spent making certain that laws already on the books are enforced! When a crime involving a firearm is committed, there should be a very stiff penalty. And crimes against elderly, children, and/or others who society should cherish and protect should carry the most extreme penalties! Laws such as the proposed Gun Registration Act of 2007 will not make us a better protected society.

I am interested in learning what you and the majority of our legislators are doing to stop this sort of bad legislation—as well what I can do to help you stop it, and put in place more stringent mandatory penalties! There are already enough gun laws on the books. We need to put teeth in the penalty phase of prosecution!
 

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it's more about the state wanting more tax money then it is controlling arms... either way it's ****..

remember how they are making us "register" our ATV's now? you make me register it, you make me put a plate on it, you want me to insure it when riding on state game lands, HOWEVER it's not street legal? what gives?
 

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I would say anyone who votes in PA should strongly oppose this proposed piece of junk. It is just opening the door to further legislation.

Take this state (MA) for example. We have the strictest gun laws in the nation and most guns produced can't even be purchased legally by MA residents because of the AG's consumer protection regulations. These laws and regulations have neither lowered crime nor have they prevented criminals from getting guns. So the legislature's answer? We need more gun laws - now they are proposing laws so that you can only purchase one gun per month (not just one handgun per month).

All of the laws are based on the premise that people will obey them or they will be enforced by the police and judges. Without the latter, the laws are useless.

By the way, we already have the fingerprinting requirement here. You have to provide your thumb everytime you purchase a gun and the scan has to match the one in the database or you are SOL. To get your license, fingerprints on both hands are taken twice of every finger.
 

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Same type thing happened in california with the assualt rifles, first registration then you have to turn them in. I WILL NEVER REGISTER A WEAPON.
 

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helomech said:
Same type thing happened in california with the assualt rifles, first registration then you have to turn them in. I WILL NEVER REGISTER A WEAPON.
Ditto!! The only guns I have registered are my pistols. My so called assault rifles I will never register. If they want them I will give them the bullets first.lol It's amazing, When election time rolls around everyone wants to attack us gun owners. F UM..
 

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What ever happened to freedom? If PA residents give in to this they will have to take down the signs that say "America Starts Here" on all the interstates.
 

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Are the law makers pushing this repubs or democrats? That is what we need to remember next election.
 

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Ditto!! The only guns I have registered are my pistols. My so called assault rifles I will never register. If they want them I will give them the bullets first.lol It's amazing, When election time rolls around everyone wants to attack us gun owners. F UM..
None of mine will be registered, actually I just lost all my guns I had them in my boat and it flipped over. Woops.
 

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Are the law makers pushing this repubs or democrats? That is what we need to remember next election.
I am betting money it aint the republicans.
 

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helomech said:
I am betting money it aint the republicans.
I'm not going to bet against you.

It's not about tax money. It's more sinister than that I think.
<<hiding firearms now
 

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I'm not going to bet against you.

It's not about tax money. It's more sinister than that I think.
<<hiding firearms now
You bet it is only about gun confiscation. Once they know exactly where they are then it is easy. Anyone that registers their guns has already lost.
 

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Anyone who wants to know how well gun registration works to reduce crime need only to look at how "well" it works in the New Jersey Soviet Socialist Republic (NJSSR) :gunz:
 

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Toolman61 said:
Anyone who wants to know how well gun registration works to reduce crime need only to look at how "well" it works in the New Jersey Soviet Socialist Republic (NJSSR) :gunz:
Remember when everyone was getting rid of there assault rifles in Jersey because of the ban. They all came to Pa to sell them, Pennsylvanians got some good deals on those rifles. People from Jersey were just giving them away. That is one state I would never live in, I work there that's about it.
The auto insurance and Property tax is enough to make ya broke.

I love Pa for this reason >>>>:gunz: :gunz: :gunz: :gunz:
 
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