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Real world 16.7 mpg at gps verified 70mph.
Real world towing a little over 6k, 11mpg, at 70mph.

I got around that mileage towing an expedition on a trailer, in my Titan. What is the purpose of the XD, again?
 

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lighten up Francis...
 

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I'm curious what the XD could do without all the emissions stuff required in a modern diesel. I personally think it's killing the potential for great mpg in the XD.

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I'm curious what the XD could do without all the emissions stuff required in a modern diesel. I personally think it's killing the potential for great mpg in the XD.

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Like all the diesels it is killing it. Just wait till people start modding this platform and everyone will see what these choked out 5.0 diesels can put out :) Remember our trucks in stock trim are not that impressive either. But with a few bolt ons and UpRev its a game changer. The XD will be the same.
 

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Based on driving trucks all my life, from mini trucks back in the 80s to full sized trucks (gas and diesel), and a stint as an over the road guy in a turbo diesel 35k gross straight truck, the thing I notice is these were terrible test conditions. They ran 100mi and the trans barely warmed? No way that's a real representation of a vehicle's performance. Run the same test at 70deg ambient and watch another couple of mpg towing and maybe more unloaded. Heck, run it at 30deg and let the trans warm up and it will increase by 1-1.5, I bet.

And maybe Fishn's response is directly related to the constant anti-Titan rant on which you seem to be? I can summarize your posts I've read this week easily: "Titan sucks. Nissan sucks. My new truck is cooler. Titan sucks." It's a tired song and you're singing it to the wrong crowd. It's fine you don't like the Titan. But constantly screaming the same basic thing over and over seems like it begs for some response. At least Fishn was nice about it. Around my house, you'd be on the hook for our $5 fine for whining.
 

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Based on driving trucks all my life, from mini trucks back in the 80s to full sized trucks (gas and diesel), and a stint as an over the road guy in a turbo diesel 35k gross straight truck, the thing I notice is these were terrible test conditions. They ran 100mi and the trans barely warmed? No way that's a real representation of a vehicle's performance. Run the same test at 70deg ambient and watch another couple of mpg towing and maybe more unloaded. Heck, run it at 30deg and let the trans warm up and it will increase by 1-1.5, I bet.

And maybe Fishn's response is directly related to the constant anti-Titan rant on which you seem to be? I can summarize your posts I've read this week easily: "Titan sucks. Nissan sucks. My new truck is cooler. Titan sucks." It's a tired song and you're singing it to the wrong crowd. It's fine you don't like the Titan. But constantly screaming the same basic thing over and over seems like it begs for some response. At least Fishn was nice about it. Around my house, you'd be on the hook for our $5 fine for whining.
I never said I hate Titans. I've had 2. And i would still have my 05 if it hadnt been totaled. I never bring up my truck, at all, except the fuel mileage which is better than an XD. We're on here to discuss trucks and Nissan is trying to sell something to an uneducated crowd. But now, it looks like I can't post my opinions without being attacked by one of the good ol boys and one of his sackriders. The question is, why does it bother you so much, that you have to "scold me." If it bothers you, don't read what I post. Ok?

But aside from all that, TFL tests all their trucks on the same stretch, in about the same conditions. It's always cold. If you have to drive this truck in miami, to get good Gass mileage, what good as that. The fact is, it's underpowered gor the weight and that required they install a 3.92 differential to to keep the low tow rating, or it would have been worse with a 3.55. Any stock emissions laden
diesel should get at least 18-19 at 70mph, but the xd won't because it's riding at 2000 rpm at 70.
 

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First off, I've read your posts for the past week. My summary is pretty accurate based on what I've read. You're welcome to your opinion. But having your opinion, and expressing it, exposes you to exactly the kinds of comments you're getting here. I don't know Fishn except here on the forum, and he and I disagree as much as we agree (read up...) so I'm not his "sackrider." (Ahhh, name calling: the last vestige for those who have no real argument based in fact or logic, and instead must resort to schoolyard antics...)

Doing a little more homework, TFL tested the Ford and Dodge diesels, as well. In just a few minutes I was able to pull out some key differences. Temps were mid-60s for the Ford/Ram. They were at least 40-50deg lower for the XD. For the Ford/Ram, they tested at 65mph, where the XD was tested at 70. And what did the Ford/Ram get for mileage? Towing mpg was right at 14.2 for the Ram, and 12.3 for the Ford.

I'll be sitting quietly waiting for your rant about why Ford and Ram sell those trucks, too.
 

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First off, I've read your posts for the past week. My summary is pretty accurate based on what I've read. You're welcome to your opinion. But having your opinion, and expressing it, exposes you to exactly the kinds of comments you're getting here. I don't know Fishn except here on the forum, and he and I disagree as much as we agree (read up...) so I'm not his "sackrider." (Ahhh, name calling: the last vestige for those who have no real argument based in fact or logic, and instead must resort to schoolyard antics...)

Doing a little more homework, TFL tested the Ford and Dodge diesels, as well. In just a few minutes I was able to pull out some key differences. Temps were mid-60s for the Ford/Ram. They were at least 40-50deg lower for the XD. For the Ford/Ram, they tested at 65mph, where the XD was tested at 70. And what did the Ford/Ram get for mileage? Towing mpg was right at 14.2 for the Ram, and 12.3 for the Ford.

I'll be sitting quietly waiting for your rant about why Ford and Ram sell those trucks, too.

First off, whatever criticism I've posted was aimed only at the xd. Second, that doesn't give you or anyone else a reason to talk down to me. You can argue facts but attacking me personally is pretty lame.

Beyond that, the video you're referring to, shows a dodge and ford 3500 dually, with pulling a bronco on a heavy duty trailer. That's a ridiculous comparison to the XD video that I posted. For 1, the 3500 rear diff ratios are higher than the 2500's. Two, they are both heavier than 2500's. Three the weight of the load and the aerodynamics was worse for the 3500's.

So you're comparing apples to watermellons. The fact that they still had better fuel mileage than the XD, even though a tad slower and warmer conditions, as you're arguing is beneficial, says something right there. 35's aren't advertised for their mpg. They are advertised to be able to haul a dump truck. The XD, on the other hand, IS advertised on a speculated great gas mileage.
The bottom line is, compared to 2500's the gas mileage isn't adding up at all. And here's where I will talk about my truck. Driving on varying up and down terrain, before my delete, at 70mph, I got over 20mpg. And I've driven on ice and snow and that didn't change it much at all. Also, my truck weighs in at about 8200lbs, with the tools and things I carry in the bed. Facts are facts. There's nothing here to argue.
 

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I read criticism of the first gen posted for they guy asking what he could tell his customers to make them not buy it. But, hey, don't let the facts confuse you.

And let's remember I didn't start the name calling. I just said your posts are negative. They are.

I'll also add that I call BS that you're getting 20mpg in a 250 loaded up with a gross weight of 8200lbs, but you go ahead and say it all you want. Remember, I used to own and drive one, for 100k miles.

Ultimately, I won't argue anymore. I'll just say we disagree and I'm glad you're enjoying your 250.
 

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I read criticism of the first gen posted for they guy asking what he could tell his customers to make them not buy it. But, hey, don't let the facts confuse you.

And let's remember I didn't start the name calling. I just said your posts are negative. They are.

I'll also add that I call BS that you're getting 20mpg in a 250 loaded up with a gross weight of 8200lbs, but you go ahead and say it all you want. Remember, I used to own and drive one, for 100k miles.

Ultimately, I won't argue anymore. I'll just say we disagree and I'm glad you're enjoying your 250.
The only thing that you could construe as negative is I get more looks in my ford and chevy trucks. That was halfway meant as a joke. But ultimately it is true. And why would you call BS on the mileage MY truck gets? What reason do I have to give a wrong mpg number. If I wasn't getting the mileage I'm getting, I wouldn't really know that the XD'S mileage is low, comparitively. If you think a 2500 truck can't get 20mpg at 70, you need to ask around. I'm not near the only one that gets that kind of mileage. And my truck isn't "loaded up." I have around 300 lbs of tools, give or take. Gross weight of the truck is around 7900lbs. But it's pointless to debate, because it seems like you just don't like factual conversation. Only to whine because I criticized a truck that you don't even own. We will definitely agree to disagree.
 

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If it makes you guys feel better, I will say, my 05 Titan was hands down the best truck I've ever owned. I do miss that truck. And my pro4x was hands down a way sexier truck than my Ferd. But, this post is about the XD, and it's under performing mpg. Nothing more, nothing less. If you don't like it, feel free to hit the back button and forget you ever read it.
 

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Looking online, most stock Powerstrokes are getting 15-18mpg around town and highway. Maybe your deleted PS gets 20 or you got a really efficient one, but the data doesn't back it up. I have seen Cummins and DMaxs get 20 highway, however they were smaller displacement also. Naturally your MPG drops less towing and hauling. That is what having almost 350lb/ft more torque will do. At the time of purchasing my Titan in 2005 I cross shopped the 6.4L PS. I went with the T due to the mileage of a DPF equipped PS was not all that different than what the T was rated for and gas was like over a dollar a gallon cheaper than diesel. The only outright mpg advantage was when towing. I didn't tow enough at the time to ever recover that. I would think if the Big 3 were getting 20mpg out of their HD diesels and barely doing better in their lighter 1/2 ton gassers that they would be advertising the hell out of how efficient the HD diesels are and dropping scaled down diesels into their 1/2 tons ASAP. There is a reason the HD GVWR specs don't require EPA ratings.

I will also repeat that the XD they tested was a very green (new low mileage) engine. Diesels take a bit to break in before they actually gey to peak efficiency. I also thought it was odd to go with numbers generated in such cold temps and to also set cruise at 70mph instead of 65. A 100 mile loop then a fill up is not the best method either.
 

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Looking online, most stock Powerstrokes are getting 15-18mpg around town and highway. Maybe your deleted PS gets 20 or you got a really efficient one, but the data doesn't back it up. I have seen Cummins and DMaxs get 20 highway, however they were smaller displacement also. Naturally your MPG drops less towing and hauling. That is what having almost 350lb/ft more torque will do. At the time of purchasing my Titan in 2005 I cross shopped the 6.4L PS. I went with the T due to the mileage of a DPF equipped PS was not all that different than what the T was rated for and gas was like over a dollar a gallon cheaper than diesel. The only outright mpg advantage was when towing. I didn't tow enough at the time to ever recover that. I would think if the Big 3 were getting 20mpg out of their HD diesels and barely doing better in their lighter 1/2 ton gassers that they would be advertising the hell out of how efficient the HD diesels are and dropping scaled down diesels into their 1/2 tons ASAP. There is a reason the HD GVWR specs don't require EPA ratings.

I will also repeat that the XD they tested was a very green (new low mileage) engine. Diesels take a bit to break in before they actually gey to peak efficiency. I also thought it was odd to go with numbers generated in such cold temps and to also set cruise at 70mph instead of 65. A 100 mile loop then a fill up is not the best method either.
I'm still having a hard time figuring out why you question the mileage on my truck, but when I question the Titan's mileage, you throw every excuse in the book as to why it's low?

My deleted F250 gets about 22.5 at 70mph. It got over 20mpg, before the delete. Granted, I have forgotten to disclose that I have a fiberglass bed cover. Anyway everyone knows the Powerstroke 6.4 didn't get good mileage. I don't have a 6.4, so not to sure where that was going. It's funny that you acknowledge heavy trucks not required to disclose fuel mileage. We'll that's right where the XD is. Right there with the rest of the pigs.

As for all the excuses of why the XD got 16.7 and 11.3mpg, they're pointless. Every truck TFL tests is brand new. They tested at 70mph, because that's what most people drive on the highway. Cold temps are not going to decrease mileage that much. Maybe a fraction. And a 100 mile loop seems like a perfect test. It's simple division. The truck is simply not getting that good of mileage, in anyone's tests, and most of those are in comfortable temperatures.
 

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I'm still having a hard time figuring out why you question the mileage on my truck, but when I question the Titan's mileage, you throw every excuse in the book as to why it's low?

My deleted F250 gets about 22.5 at 70mph. It got over 20mpg, before the delete. Granted, I have forgotten to disclose that I have a fiberglass bed cover. Anyway everyone knows the Powerstroke 6.4 didn't get good mileage. I don't have a 6.4, so not to sure where that was going. It's funny that you acknowledge heavy trucks not required to disclose fuel mileage. We'll that's right where the XD is. Right there with the rest of the pigs.

As for all the excuses of why the XD got 16.7 and 11.3mpg, they're pointless. Every truck TFL tests is brand new. They tested at 70mph, because that's what most people drive on the highway. Cold temps are not going to decrease mileage that much. Maybe a fraction. And a 100 mile loop seems like a perfect test. It's simple division. The truck is simply not getting that good of mileage, in anyone's tests, and most of those are in comfortable temperatures.
Maybe because just about every Ford forum shows people getting around 15-17mpg combined driving. Some as low as 13mpg around town. Hardly any saying they got 20mpg or better over 65mph. Fuelly shows most averaging 14-15mpg. Your PS must have been built on a really good day.
 

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The Fords are just like the Titans, just because one gets sh1tty gas mileage doesn't mean the others do to, guys on here swear they get 17-20 mpg on the highway, yet alot of us get 14-16. I'm sure there will be variations with the XD as there are with the Fords. My old F250 got 9 MPG regardless of whether I was towing my 29ft trailer or coasting down the road, but hey at least it was consistent.
 

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The Fords are just like the Titans, just because one gets sh1tty gas mileage doesn't mean the others do to, guys on here swear they get 17-20 mpg on the highway, yet alot of us get 14-16. I'm sure there will be variations with the XD as there are with the Fords. My old F250 got 9 MPG regardless of whether I was towing my 29ft trailer or coasting down the road, but hey at least it was consistent.
Yep, my T has never gotten over 20mpg highway. peaked around 19 under perfect conditions.
 
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