hey budman, we all know that all those magazines are BS, i mean come on who wants to believe car and driver?? those guys havent established any kind of reputation at all! its funny over at dodge truck world all the dodge guys bash the new f-150 saying its slow. but how do they know this? thats right, thru magazines. they all say it themselves, but when it comes to the hemi getting beat by the TITAN, then all of a sudden the magazines are full of $#*^. funny. i personally have driven both, my truck is a 4X2 CC on 18's and i drove a laramie QC 4X2 on 20's, one right after the other, and the TITAN had more pull and power than the hemi. dont get me wrong, the hemi dominated the 5.3 from chevy and the 4.7 from toyota, but didn't compete with the TITAN. i know those magazines are all BS, but there are plenty of threads over on DTW where guys with QC's talk about running 16's, so they perhaps aren't all lies are they budman? i mean how do you guys know the f-150 is slow? either way, these are both potent engines and definately put the the ferd-150 to shame fortunately.