[Pokoki]

Has anyone else seen the article in the October Peterson's Offroad Magazine?

They reported that Automotive news was told by Nissan that the fullsize Titan pickup is looking at International diesel motors, and also a V6 as well.

I know this has been discussed time and time again here, but at least it is still in the works (for the diesel that it). No word on the what the V6 would be, but I'm guessing it would be the 4.0 that is in the Frontiers.

Heavy duty Titan with an internation diesel would be pretty sweet!

 

[Juday]

Can't.....wait.....any......longer.....:eeeek: Did they happen to mention anything about a possible release date? I'm assuming it's going to be coming out when the 4.5L Duramax and Fords new V6 diesel come out. When it does, that's the day the Titan gets traded in...for the Nissan diesel of course.

 

[ss350z]

We keep hearing this, but still no real info. We need confirmation on manufacturer, size, HP and torque, and on sale dates. I guess we'll have to wait a little longer.:newgrin:

 

[TitanEngineer]

well I have tried to get info on this subject from some old friends of mine at the plant but the ones truly in the know keep pretty tight lips so they will stay that way. From what I could get out of them the titan will be getting the diesel and v6 for the 09 or 10 model year. I am not sure if the v6 will be the exact same as the 4.0l in the fronty but it will be the same VQ platform. Now as for specs on the Diesel, while I was still working there I came across the proposals and the Motor spec'd to be used was a v6 international motor with 305hp and around 500 ftlb of torque, this was 2 years ago so I dont know if that has changed or not.

 

[Walrus]

As long as it is not a 6.0 TD......

 

[LandShark]

Last I heard Nissan was talking to Navistar, the manufactures of the Powerstroke in the Fords.

 

[dragonhead08]

Isnt ford taking a bath on engine failures on those things?

 

[LandShark]

Isnt ford taking a bath on engine failures on those things?

Yeah, I think Navistar has filed a lawsuit against Ford...or vis versa.

 

[DeadRiver]

Yeah, I think Navistar has filed a lawsuit against Ford...or vis versa.

yes, lots of finger pointing and hoopla over this.. i haven't followed it recently though, i kinda got bored

remember the old days when all the titan options were:
xe se le
kc or cc
2wd or 4wd
popular package
utility bed package
BT and OR
floor mats

 

[Titan4mde]

well I have tried to get info on this subject from some old friends of mine at the plant but the ones truly in the know keep pretty tight lips so they will stay that way. From what I could get out of them the titan will be getting the diesel and v6 for the 09 or 10 model year. I am not sure if the v6 will be the exact same as the 4.0l in the fronty but it will be the same VQ platform. Now as for specs on the Diesel, while I was still working there I came across the proposals and the Motor spec'd to be used was a v6 international motor with 305hp and around 500 ftlb of torque, this was 2 years ago so I dont know if that has changed or not.

"truly in the know"--Consider me "kinda in the know"--haha. I work for a sister corporation. My latest info is the entire HD product line is on hold FOR NOW. The only diesel being introduced by Nissan in the near future will be an engine option on the Maxima. Sorry guys. The last engine they were considering for the Titan was from Navistar, but it was not the "power stroke" format at all. It was in-line 6, and the were having software integration problems. The declining sales of normal Titans prompted the decision to put HD's on hold. This saddened me as well!

 

[Titan4mde]

Isnt ford taking a bath on engine failures on those things?

Yes. It's a big uproar right now. It is Navistar that issued suit on Ford under the speculation that Ford was developing their own diesel. Ford countered with the MASSIVE warranty claims with out denying that they are researching their own product.

 

[Carbeaux]

I can't think of a better way to boost sales than to increase the variety of models/drivetrains though. It's sure hard to be patient though.

 

[TitanEngineer]

For those who don't already know Navistar=International its the parent company, and yes I too have heard the Heavy-duty project was on hold (although I have also heard a grumbling that this wasn't entirely true) but that the Diesel in the half-ton was still a go, since all major manufacturers plan on doing this by 2009, I find this easier to beleive since this would require very minimal tooling changes in the plant itself whereas the HD project would require several new separate assembly linses and a major retooling of the plant

 

[Titan4mde]

One other thing, not to hi-jack, but the entire diesel world is getting flipped on its lid according to a source that I CANNOT confirm. Again, so there is no confusion; this source is unconfirmed===the rumors are: Dodge lost their lifetime rights to Cummins when the introduced a non-Cummins diesel product, the Jeep Diesel. When that happened, Ford stepped in with their controlling part of Cummins and pressured the pull of the Cummins from Dodge. The source claimed that Cummins was going in the Ford??? He also stated that the Isuzu based diesel in the GM's was the reason that Nissan did not have that option(Isuzu's are TERREFIC diesel's-work with them every day and we would be lucky to get them in a Titan). Nissan was also skeptical about the isuzu name badge deterring sales-don't really know why cause I love 'em!!! BTW: if the Ford-Cummins thing is true, Dodge will have no worries because right now(and this is fact) Benz has a RV based diesel that is making 490HP and 1132ftlbs. of torque!!!!! The amazing thing is its only a 7.? L.

 

[desertruner09]

I have never understood why they would put a V6 in a full size truck or why people want them. Nissan did it right, you want a full size truck you get a full size engine with it. Now a diesel in a half ton sounds good to me. I know GM's 4.5L V8 turbo diesel for their half tons is looking pretty good. Its was built from the ground up and is expected to put out more than 310 hp and 520 lb-ft according to truck trend.

Off topic here but still about engines, mercedes has a new engine that looks very good. Its a 1.8L turbocharged, direct injected gas engine and it uses both spark ignition and auto ignition. This thing puts out 240hp and 300lb-ft all while getting about 40 mpg. This thing is almost as powerful as the frontiers 4.0 L V6 and gets twice the mileage. Pretty amazing.

 

[Titan4mde]

For those who don't already know Navistar=International its the parent company, and yes I too have heard the Heavy-duty project was on hold (although I have also heard a grumbling that this wasn't entirely true) but that the Diesel in the half-ton was still a go, since all major manufacturers plan on doing this by 2009, I find this easier to beleive since this would require very minimal tooling changes in the plant itself whereas the HD project would require several new separate assembly linses and a major retooling of the plant

You are absolutely correct. The initial investment is the kicker. You are also correct on the half ton diesel. I think that would suit my world pretty well!!

 

[D'TITAN]

I am not so sure that a diesel in a 1/2 ton is such a good idea. I know that the option for the diesel is pretty expensive, I believe that the option is about $8,000 extra for the new Ford Super Duty, not sure how much the option would be in a 1/2 ton. It seems the reason why the option is more now is because of all the new emission controls on these new motors and the new diesels seem to be less fuel efficient. The fuel is more expensive at this time. In general the 1/2 tons are rated to tow about 10,000 lbs, I can't see them increasing that rating with a diesel, because how much are you really going to safely tow with a 1/2 ton. If they put a diesel in a 1/2 ton, it would have to provide some really impressive fuel mileage in order to make it worth while in my opinion.

 

[LandShark]

You are absolutely correct. The initial investment is the kicker. You are also correct on the half ton diesel. I think that would suit my world pretty well!!

I think come 2010/11 I'll be seriously looking at a 1/2 diesel. Been waiting forever for a diesel friendly U.S market.

 

[LandShark]

I am not so sure that a diesel in a 1/2 ton is such a good idea. I know that the option for the diesel is pretty expensive, I believe that the option is about $8,000 extra for the new Ford Super Duty, not sure how much the option would be in a 1/2 ton. It seems the reason why the option is more now is because of all the new emission controls on these new motors and the new diesels seem to be less fuel efficient. The fuel is more expensive at this time. In general the 1/2 tons are rated to tow about 10,000 lbs, I can't see them increasing that rating with a diesel, because how much are you really going to safely tow with a 1/2 ton. If they put a diesel in a 1/2 ton, it would have to provide some really impressive fuel mileage in order to make it worth while in my opinion.

We will probably see a 15-20% increase in fuel economy based on current diesel options. Fuel economy, engine longitivity plus increase towing capacity will be the big selling points.

 

[TitanEngineer]

One other thing, not to hi-jack, but the entire diesel world is getting flipped on its lid according to a source that I CANNOT confirm. Again, so there is no confusion; this source is unconfirmed===the rumors are: Dodge lost their lifetime rights to Cummings when the introduced a non-Cummings diesel product, the Jeep Diesel. When that happened, Ford stepped in with their controlling part of Cummings and pressured the pull of the Cummings from Dodge. The source claimed that Cummings was going in the Ford??? He also stated that the Isuzu based diesel in the GM's was the reason that Nissan did not have that option(Isuzu's are TERREFIC diesel's-work with them every day and we would be lucky to get them in a Titan). Nissan was also skeptical about the isuzu name badge deterring sales-don't really know why cause I love 'em!!! BTW: if the Ford-Cummings thing is true, Dodge will have no worries because right now(and this is fact) Benz has a RV based diesel that is making 490HP and 1132ftlbs. of torque!!!!! The amazing thing is its only a 7.? L.

Dodge has not lost rights to Cummins, as they dont have exclusivity except on the motor already being used, you can already get a cummins in a ford 550+. And for the last time please do not keep spreading the rumors that Ford has controlling interest in Cummins, they dont own one solitary share, there was even a FAQ entry on Cummins website about it at one time because this rumor is so rampant.

here I found the FAQ, top of page:
http://www.cummins.com/cmi/content....rviewId=29&anchorId=44&menuIndex=3&index=5#Q2


Putting a Diesel in a half ton will more than likely be a 4000+ premium but will more than likely have 20% better mileage. Will it pay for itself in mileage? probably not unless you tow a lot. What are the other benefits of having a diesel, well look at it this way, not too many companies are making performance parts for the 5.6, but if there was a diesel that already has similar programming you will see more performance options, is that worth the premium, well thats a judgement call