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OK all, I know i'm gonna get flamed for this. But today I went to drive a Titan LE, loaded, with every intention of buying (this is ay Smithtown Nissan, Long Island, NY). Drove the truck maybe 4 miles, down bumpy roads, a fast bit, and was impressed at how nimble it was.

What was I not impressed with? The interior. What crap on a 40K truck. The buttons on the dash were so cheap, they put better ones on a 50 dollar boom box from Korea. The stitching on the thin leather seats looked crude, and the cloth seats had this weird plasticky feel, like Motley Crue's spandex pants were made out of the same material in 1987. The Nav screen looked blurry, and the DVD screen popped down without damping and seemed really easy to break. Between these two options (with the sunroof you're forced to buy and side airbags) you're talking like 4 grand and the quality is just not there.

The truck itself felt kind of "put together" and there is no way that 5 years from now this will be anything other than rattling and worn, no matter how much you take care of it. Then, the dealer wanted to sell the $41,980.00 truck for $39,999. Gee, what a great deal! I told him I still wanted to see the F150 before I decided, and you could see him just crap his pants. He told me he wanted me to give him a deposit on the truck before I left so I could show them I was a "serious buyer". I said, so if I come back to buy it in a day, a week, a month, you won't take me seriously? The he gave me the whole "my manager will be really mad if I don't sell you this truck" routine, and went and got him. He gave me a 2 for 1 dinner coupon and told me to think about it, that they'd match any dealer price on the Titan. All in all, they seemed desperate to sell me one, and used all the cliched dealer stories to do it. All in all, I knew a lot more about his product than the sales rep did too. Yuck.

Then I went to Ford. Now, I don't own American cars, I own an Audi and a Porsche and I fell generally that US auto products are behind the times both design wise and technically. I've read all the comparos and nothing drew me to the F150. My brother has an old one, and he dragged me to the dealer, which is a block away from Nissan.

The Ford dealership was crappy carpet, yellowed posters of old mustangs, a truly spirit breaking place. The salespeople were a bit old school, laid back, didn't move too fast, I figured, OK just what I thought, American cars, not on the ball.

The sales guy then reappeared with a new FX4 F150. Now, the pictures I have seen of this truck do not do it justice. It looks mean, sporty, and sophisticated at the same time. The interior is stunning on the FX4 - real hotrod, with a quality feel to all switches, doors, etc. Now I must repeat that I went out today intending to buy a Titan, and got lots of great info from this site which helped educate me. I have no investment in portraying either truck as good or bad. But I cannot imagine how anyone with eyes could look at the F150 and the Titan and not see immediately how much better the F150 is, not even close. Nissan really screwed the pooch on the interior.

The i took her out for a drive. OK, maybe a tad less power than the Nissan, but it might be down to weight. In any case, it was no dog, and the steering was so solid - it steered nicely and seemed to have a much tighter turning circle with less body roll than the Titan. This truck feels like it will last for 20 years. It felt bulletproof. Most important, it felt like a 40 grand truck (actual MSRP, like 39K.)

BUT - it isn't a 40K truck! The initial offer from the dealer was about 35K. OK, this is without Nav or the DVD. But apples to apples, the F150 is still less money, a lot less money. And that's what I'm gonna buy. Do yourself a favor, potential Titan drivers - drive the F150. There is a very good reason why the dealer was afraid for me to visit Ford - he knew I'd see a better truck is less money. And from what I can see here, a lot of guys are already talking about mystery rattles, valve train noise, malfunctioning radios, etc etc etc. Not for 40 grand, not me sorry.

Again, I really appreciate everyone's posts which helped me learn enough to haggle with the Nissan dealer. Don't mean to p*ss in your cornflakes, just wanted to share my experience. Thanks and sorry I offended anyone.
 

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Oppinions are like arm pits, we all have um and some of them stink....and you my friend need a shower! :teethmast

Siriously though, to each his own! But i completely dissagree when you said the F150 was only slightly slower! :huh:
When i drove the f150 i could barely tell the difference between casual driving and floring it! (Drove an FX4) The titan on the other hand was very quick and responsive!
Get the truck you like, afterall its YOU making the payment! :cheers:
 

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[/QUOTE]Again, I really appreciate everyone's posts which helped me learn enough to haggle with the Nissan dealer. Don't mean to p*ss in your cornflakes, just wanted to share my experience. Thanks and sorry I offended anyone.[/QUOTE]






Enjoy your F-150. :)
 

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I could tell you now that the minor radio problems that the titan has is nothing compared to the drivetrain problems the new F150's have right now, you might not feel it now but give it a couple weeks and it'll kick right in...trust me i own a explorer right now (selling in summer picking up a titan) and i am part of numerous ford forums all with the drivetrain problem that Ford tells them to live with. sorry but id rather have a radio problem than a drivetrain problem. im sure ill see you posting your problems on the ford site.
 

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Many of the current, waiting for delivery, and potential Titan owners have already test driven the F150 and chosen Titan...if it's not for you, it's not for you, but don't live with the illusion that the F150 is flawless-a quick check of the F150 forums will assure you that it's not! Happy motoring...
 

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Hope you enjoy your Ford as much as I enjoy my Nissans.......check back in a 6 or 7 years and see which is holding up better.......Fords are not known for the longetivity my friend........Nissans ARE pure and simple.
 

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ebuzz said:
OK all, I know i'm gonna get flamed for this. But today I went to drive a Titan LE, loaded, with every intention of buying (this is ay Smithtown Nissan, Long Island, NY). Drove the truck maybe 4 miles, down bumpy roads, a fast bit, and was impressed at how nimble it was.

What was I not impressed with? The interior. What crap on a 40K truck. The buttons on the dash were so cheap, they put better ones on a 50 dollar boom box from Korea. The stitching on the thin leather seats looked crude, and the cloth seats had this weird plasticky feel, like Motley Crue's spandex pants were made out of the same material in 1987. The Nav screen looked blurry, and the DVD screen popped down without damping and seemed really easy to break. Between these two options (with the sunroof you're forced to buy and side airbags) you're talking like 4 grand and the quality is just not there.

The truck itself felt kind of "put together" and there is no way that 5 years from now this will be anything other than rattling and worn, no matter how much you take care of it. Then, the dealer wanted to sell the $41,980.00 truck for $39,999. Gee, what a great deal! I told him I still wanted to see the F150 before I decided, and you could see him just crap his pants. He told me he wanted me to give him a deposit on the truck before I left so I could show them I was a "serious buyer". I said, so if I come back to buy it in a day, a week, a month, you won't take me seriously? The he gave me the whole "my manager will be really mad if I don't sell you this truck" routine, and went and got him. He gave me a 2 for 1 dinner coupon and told me to think about it, that they'd match any dealer price on the Titan. All in all, they seemed desperate to sell me one, and used all the cliched dealer stories to do it. All in all, I knew a lot more about his product than the sales rep did too. Yuck.

Then I went to Ford. Now, I don't own American cars, I own an Audi and a Porsche and I fell generally that US auto products are behind the times both design wise and technically. I've read all the comparos and nothing drew me to the F150. My brother has an old one, and he dragged me to the dealer, which is a block away from Nissan.

The Ford dealership was crappy carpet, yellowed posters of old mustangs, a truly spirit breaking place. The salespeople were a bit old school, laid back, didn't move too fast, I figured, OK just what I thought, American cars, not on the ball.

The sales guy then reappeared with a new FX4 F150. Now, the pictures I have seen of this truck do not do it justice. It looks mean, sporty, and sophisticated at the same time. The interior is stunning on the FX4 - real hotrod, with a quality feel to all switches, doors, etc. Now I must repeat that I went out today intending to buy a Titan, and got lots of great info from this site which helped educate me. I have no investment in portraying either truck as good or bad. But I cannot imagine how anyone with eyes could look at the F150 and the Titan and not see immediately how much better the F150 is, not even close. Nissan really screwed the pooch on the interior.

The i took her out for a drive. OK, maybe a tad less power than the Nissan, but it might be down to weight. In any case, it was no dog, and the steering was so solid - it steered nicely and seemed to have a much tighter turning circle with less body roll than the Titan. This truck feels like it will last for 20 years. It felt bulletproof. Most important, it felt like a 40 grand truck (actual MSRP, like 39K.)

BUT - it isn't a 40K truck! The initial offer from the dealer was about 35K. OK, this is without Nav or the DVD. But apples to apples, the F150 is still less money, a lot less money. And that's what I'm gonna buy. Do yourself a favor, potential Titan drivers - drive the F150. There is a very good reason why the dealer was afraid for me to visit Ford - he knew I'd see a better truck is less money. And from what I can see here, a lot of guys are already talking about mystery rattles, valve train noise, malfunctioning radios, etc etc etc. Not for 40 grand, not me sorry.

Again, I really appreciate everyone's posts which helped me learn enough to haggle with the Nissan dealer. Don't mean to p*ss in your cornflakes, just wanted to share my experience. Thanks and sorry I offended anyone.
I started to buy one of the new F150's before I test drove the Titan.
The Ford I was trying to buy was a regular cab 2 wheel drive.
I wound up buying the extended cab 4x4 SE for exactly the same
payment that the F150 was going to cost me.
I find it hard to believe that you could get a comparably equipped
Ford for less money than the Nissan.
As for build quality, for a lot of us, this is not our first Nissan.
I have owned 5 of them, 3 of which were trucks.
So don't try to blow smoke up our asses about that, either.
 

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ebuzz said:
OK all, I know i'm gonna get flamed for this. But today I went to drive a Titan LE, loaded, with every intention of buying (this is ay Smithtown Nissan, Long Island, NY). Drove the truck maybe 4 miles, down bumpy roads, a fast bit, and was impressed at how nimble it was.

What was I not impressed with? The interior. What crap on a 40K truck. The buttons on the dash were so cheap, they put better ones on a 50 dollar boom box from Korea. The stitching on the thin leather seats looked crude, and the cloth seats had this weird plasticky feel, like Motley Crue's spandex pants were made out of the same material in 1987. The Nav screen looked blurry, and the DVD screen popped down without damping and seemed really easy to break. Between these two options (with the sunroof you're forced to buy and side airbags) you're talking like 4 grand and the quality is just not there.

The truck itself felt kind of "put together" and there is no way that 5 years from now this will be anything other than rattling and worn, no matter how much you take care of it. Then, the dealer wanted to sell the $41,980.00 truck for $39,999. Gee, what a great deal! I told him I still wanted to see the F150 before I decided, and you could see him just crap his pants. He told me he wanted me to give him a deposit on the truck before I left so I could show them I was a "serious buyer". I said, so if I come back to buy it in a day, a week, a month, you won't take me seriously? The he gave me the whole "my manager will be really mad if I don't sell you this truck" routine, and went and got him. He gave me a 2 for 1 dinner coupon and told me to think about it, that they'd match any dealer price on the Titan. All in all, they seemed desperate to sell me one, and used all the cliched dealer stories to do it. All in all, I knew a lot more about his product than the sales rep did too. Yuck.

Then I went to Ford. Now, I don't own American cars, I own an Audi and a Porsche and I fell generally that US auto products are behind the times both design wise and technically. I've read all the comparos and nothing drew me to the F150. My brother has an old one, and he dragged me to the dealer, which is a block away from Nissan.

The Ford dealership was crappy carpet, yellowed posters of old mustangs, a truly spirit breaking place. The salespeople were a bit old school, laid back, didn't move too fast, I figured, OK just what I thought, American cars, not on the ball.

The sales guy then reappeared with a new FX4 F150. Now, the pictures I have seen of this truck do not do it justice. It looks mean, sporty, and sophisticated at the same time. The interior is stunning on the FX4 - real hotrod, with a quality feel to all switches, doors, etc. Now I must repeat that I went out today intending to buy a Titan, and got lots of great info from this site which helped educate me. I have no investment in portraying either truck as good or bad. But I cannot imagine how anyone with eyes could look at the F150 and the Titan and not see immediately how much better the F150 is, not even close. Nissan really screwed the pooch on the interior.

The i took her out for a drive. OK, maybe a tad less power than the Nissan, but it might be down to weight. In any case, it was no dog, and the steering was so solid - it steered nicely and seemed to have a much tighter turning circle with less body roll than the Titan. This truck feels like it will last for 20 years. It felt bulletproof. Most important, it felt like a 40 grand truck (actual MSRP, like 39K.)

BUT - it isn't a 40K truck! The initial offer from the dealer was about 35K. OK, this is without Nav or the DVD. But apples to apples, the F150 is still less money, a lot less money. And that's what I'm gonna buy. Do yourself a favor, potential Titan drivers - drive the F150. There is a very good reason why the dealer was afraid for me to visit Ford - he knew I'd see a better truck is less money. And from what I can see here, a lot of guys are already talking about mystery rattles, valve train noise, malfunctioning radios, etc etc etc. Not for 40 grand, not me sorry.

Again, I really appreciate everyone's posts which helped me learn enough to haggle with the Nissan dealer. Don't mean to p*ss in your cornflakes, just wanted to share my experience. Thanks and sorry I offended anyone.
I have owned 6 new Fords in the last ten years alone!!! And still do have one currently. Your statements are so far off track when you compare the two trucks! First off If you did your research? You whould find that the Ford has had TON'S of problems!! And BIG one's at that. It's also been my experence that Ford tends to rush there trucks into the market place before they really should! If you search the web sites you can find these problems with thier 2004 f150. Last summer when I was looking at buying a truck,I looked at the new ford f150. And saw on many web sites that Ford had BIG Problems with there FRAMES CRACKING! They also had alot of problems with the Cylander Heads and Valve Train Ect... They had PICTURES of over 30,000 trucks sitting in a Field! That they had to FIX!! They had to find a big place in Virginia to store these! On the WEB they showed pic's with all there hood's up and someone working in the engine compartments! They had to find and pay gard's,and hook up lighting to watch the trucks! Many poeple that work at the plants were posting on many web sites of possiable lay-off at there plants! Now when you compare the Nissan to the ford! The ford just dose Not match up!! Nissan is having way fewer problems and they are all little one's!!!! The ford is NOT put togather better then the NISSAN! When you take the top of the line trucks fully loaded!! The Ford just dosn't compare!!! There are so many things you can get on the Nissan that you just can't get on the ford!!! Like the DVD/Sunroof, with ford it's one or the Other! Nissan gives you BOTH! Not to mention that you cant get the following either on the fords, Roof air bags- memory Mirrors/ pedals/ seats,Cinema style sound/ with Dual Media Playback/ Navigation System/Vehicle Dynamic Control/ Brak Assist/5 Speed tranny/ Trans Temp. gauge/ Extendable Wide angle Mirrors/ Utili-Track system with Accessories/climate-resistant outside lock box/lighted box near tailgate/ 12-volt outlet in the box/ Sprayed on Bedliner/ P285/70R Tires/ Standard Heated front seats/ Ect!!! And to top it all off the Electronic Locking Diff soon will be available! These two trucks when you price them out are with in $1000.00 of each other! There is just NO WAY the FORD MATCHS UP!!! And like I said I USED to be a Ford guy but Not any More!!! Just driving the two trucks theres no way the Ford's Even close to the NISSAN!! I think you need to Re-Look at this Agian!!! :)
 

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enjoy

been there;99f2507.3,2000f250ccdiesel,TWO 03 F250CC DIESELS NEVER COULD MAKE THEM RUN RIGHT,04 chevycc da,and one *** kickin fine 04 TITAN. This truck has fun driving dialed in. Only someone whos been there can sit in the Titan read your post and just grin. Good luck! :jester: :jester: :jester:
 

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Enjoy your Ford!

I hope you have much better luck with yours than I did mine.
I'm just sorry you put this post up on the same day you joined the forum, instead of joining sooner and conversing with us previous Ford owners so we could warn you what to expect in say 6 months. :bangit:

Best of luck. REALLY
 

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I'm loving this thread! :clap: :cheers:
 

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HAHA! You made a wise choice!

NOT! Ok, Ok... You are entitled to your opinions and so am I to your remarks/opinions.

My father-in-law sells Fords. I could have gotten any Ford at the "A" plan price. However, I drive an Armada. Reason, I owned plenty of Fords and the most recent was a 99 Ford F150. After the sheet metal cracking, piston-slap issues, lack of warranty response/service, and the overall lack of gas mileage (13 was the best I ever got)!

Anywho, enjoy... you should have gone to www.f150online.com and did a bit of research before you lost out on your 35K of wasted $$$. Now that is my opinion...

Based on my reading over there - most bought the 04 because of the looks... That's it! However, they are enduring massive amounts of issues... Just do a search on rattle in the rear...

See, everyone has opinions - glad you stopped by and presented your thoughts and opinions... I hope you have better luck with your Ford then I did with all the ones that I owned.

Oh, also you should have checked resale value on previous year of the Ford... The tank on resale..

One more thing, remember the phrase - "Works as designed!"
You will get this response whenever you need anything fixed on your Ford! No matter if the sheet metal is cracking!
 

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Close relations?

Are you sure you aren't a close relation to a certain leg humper named Sparkydog? Your post sure sounds like the doggy poop he would sling and he is known to lurk and troll this forum quite a bit.

anyhowwww - you are entitled to your opinion (as long as you aren't related to the leghumper) and your observations have been noted. By the way - The FX-4 just does not have the same features as the LE.
 

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As other people have done I did test drive both. However, I compared vehicles that were the same, a F-150 Lariat and a Titan LE. FX4 and LE are not the same.
Actually, I was set to buy the F-150, but decided to test drive the Titan "just to make sure." Thank God I did, because I now have a Titan and couldn't be happier. To me there is no comparison, the Titan rides better, has a much more powerful engine and it has Nissan reliability. If you truly research both vehicles you would find it hard to get a Ford with all of the major issues they are having. I'll take a radio problem (which by the way mine doesn't have a problem) as opposed to an engine problem.

Good luck with your truck, you're the one who has to feel comfortable with it and drive it every day.
 

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sounds like a troll :futwice:
 

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ebuzz said:
BUT - it isn't a 40K truck! The initial offer from the dealer was about 35K. OK, this is without Nav or the DVD. But apples to apples, the F150 is still less money, a lot less money. And that's what I'm gonna buy.
If you paid 35k for a titan without navi and dvd, you payed about 3k to much, at least. The F150 is not less money.

Sniff... yep. I smell troll blood. But, used to fixing porches (but they are fun to fix), so the ford will be a nice change. :)
 

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If you go to www.edmunds.com and compare a loaded CC F150 with a comparably loaded CC Titan, the TMV for the F150 is a little less. But if you look at the 5-year True Cost To Own, the Titan comes out lower.

Also, the F150 is sooooo slow on the low end acceleration. I think you would probably have to phone in a reservation to get on the highway with a trailer. I will agree with you that the dash on the F150 is nicer, but I weighted that factor a wee bit lower than the drive train.
 

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LOL! Just think what would happen if we posted something like "for those considering the F150, check out the Titan!" on a Ford F150 board... it would be a massacre.. :gunz:
 

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LOL! Just think what would happen if we posted something like "for those considering the F150, check out the Titan!" on a Ford F150 board... it would be a massacre.. :gunz:
Sounds like fun. Maybe something like "What is going on with the Titan?? I just bought a brand new F-150 and this guy with a Titan pulled up next to me at the stop light, and I decided to race. Next thing I knew, all I could see was the Titan's bumper going over the horizon."
 
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