Cipher is too limited? Really? What do you need? A professional dyno and Edelbrock software to tune your Titan? :lol: You gots some serioius "wants" to need more than Cipher.... 
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Cipher can't manipulate the AFR an timing maps like I want. The timing maps in HP Tuners is a grid of RPMs vs intake vacuum that can be adjusted from -60 to +60 degrees for each data point. Cipher only appears to be doing a bulk -2 to +2 uniformly. You can't get the most out off tuning without the ability to fine tune each area of the timing and air fuel maps. HP Tuners and EFILive both allow for this control and also have the ability to log almost anything the ECU can control. Cipher also can't flash the ECU. HP Tuners and EFILive both can. HP Tuners costs about the same as Up-Rev, but no mail-order required.
Cipher timing adjustment:
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HP Tuners timing adjustment:
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It's all about the control.
Cipher timing adjustment:
HP Tuners timing adjustment:
It's all about the control.
I don't like the piggy back systems, and I want the kind of tuning flexibility I had with my old Corvette. Cam and tuning yielded a 4.2 0-60 and 380HP RWHP. That's up more than 40HP over stock on an already well tuned engine.Blackbeauty said:Cipher is too limited? Really? What do you need? A professional dyno and Edelbrock software to tune your Titan? :lol: You gots some serioius "wants" to need more than Cipher....
I've also noticed the Titan is setup pretty lean in the lower RPMs, but fairly rich in the upper ranges. Stillen pushes the timing and fuel to a preset value, and it does pretty well, but you can't make any corrections for vehicle mods without sending it back to them. The Stillen option can't account for variance in fuels either.
I like to tune my vehicles almost to the bleeding edge. That makes them more fun to drive. :thumbsup:
Almost forgot. Here's the logging dashboard for HP Tuners.
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Cipher just isn't there yet. Also, Up-Rev never returned my e-mail when I told them I have a Titan. HP Tuners did and told me to check back with them around the end of the year.
Cipher just isn't there yet. Also, Up-Rev never returned my e-mail when I told them I have a Titan. HP Tuners did and told me to check back with them around the end of the year.
Cipher is only a data logging software with ability to do some adjustment. The Osiris by Up Rev is the reflash software. They are still working of it to offer end user adjustment in the near future. For a guy like me I would rather let them do everything and I just reflash my ECM instead of me messing up something.
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