what do you mean its didnt pass tier 3?
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It's coming. After a long wait for some of us, a Titan will be fitted with a diesel engine from Navistar----sources confirmed a deal signing "late in the day". Numbers on displacement, configuration, and hp/tq are still unknown at this time. The last one tested to my knowledge was I6 w/360ish HP and 620ish TQ, but I believe that one was for the Heavy Duty version, which is still on hold. Also, that engine did NOT pass the tier 3 that it was shooting for while making that power. So, the numbers may be a little off from that when it arrives, if it is indeed that powerplant?!?!
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Tier 3 is 2010 emissions, only dodge with the cummins makes the tier 3 so far. After Ford,s mess with international, I am surprised Nissan is going that engine builder. And, look at the price of diesel.
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Another Navistar Powerstroke. I'd guess Nissan could probably spec it worse than Ford to save a few cents. Nissan's decisions seem to be market challenged.
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I'm not a Dodge fan, but if I had to choose a brand new, (1st year), Titan/Navstar vs. a Dodge/Cummings, it would be ... no I'd probably just wait a couple years.
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I'm not a Dodge fan, but if I had to choose a brand new, (1st year), Titan/Navstar vs. a Dodge/Cummings, it would be ... no I'd probably just wait a couple years.
i cant wait to see what it looks like. hopefully soon we will dominate the gas and deisel industry
Who will buy this?! Too little, too late. They had to have the diesel in 2004...
and not by navistar. I guess nissan is only caring where they can save the last cent from.
and not by navistar. I guess nissan is only caring where they can save the last cent from.
Yep, sounds like a bunch of crap. Dodge wil have one out in 2010 line up, so buy it in 09? The 1/2 ton market is just begging for a diesel from someone...they all suck
I really didn't expect so much negativity, but hey, everyone's got the right! I don't think it's going to be of the "power stroke" format design. Navistar has many durable platforms other than that. Ford's software integration and them demanding certain things that Navistar doesn't advise from a diesel is where the problem lies in Power Stroke. This is documented in the lawsuit. Nissan and Ford are already tied together and eventually will phase out the Mazda influence if all goes well. The "Edge" engines, new "Taurus", and more. It all started back with the very first Mercury Villager(it was a Quest!) Ford was impressed to say the least and have been working towards more allliances ever since.
The Villager Quest joint venture was back in the early 90's, and I haven't seen any other joint ventures since. The Edge engines are Fords, such as their brand new 3.5-liter Duratec 35 V-6 engine. If you have any links to articles that show how Ford and Nissan are tied together in any way, I'd like to read them. And since Ford owns a third of Mazda, and controlling interest in that company, I doubt they are trying to phase out their influence. They share several platforms such as the c1 used on the Volvo S40, Mazda 3, and at least on the European Ford Focus, and the Mazda 6 also shares a different platform with some of the Fords.Titan4mde said:I really didn't expect so much negativity, but hey, everyone's got the right! I don't think it's going to be of the "power stroke" format design. Navistar has many durable platforms other than that. Ford's software integration and them demanding certain things that Navistar doesn't advise from a diesel is where the problem lies in Power Stroke. This is documented in the lawsuit. Nissan and Ford are already tied together and eventually will phase out the Mazda influence if all goes well. The "Edge" engines, new "Taurus", and more. It all started back with the very first Mercury Villager(it was a Quest!) Ford was impressed to say the least and have been working towards more allliances ever since.
Just going by my inside sources. I work for a sister corporation in the construction manufacturing division. My guys ARE NOT rumor makers. They pass facts along to me and I pass them on to the Titan community. The 3.5 in the edge is Nissan's. It is a good venture for both companies. The Mazda thing with Ford is well documented, but was always up for reevaluation. I trust my guys!
Another bit of interesting information. I'm not boo hooing a diesel by any stretch. It is a coming trend in cars as well. Why? Even with the higher cost of diesel at the moment, the cost per mile is low enough to pay for itself in a couple of years compared to a hybrid which can take as long as 6 years.Titan4mde said:Just going by my inside sources. I work for a sister corporation in the construction manufacturing division. My guys ARE NOT rumor makers. They pass facts along to me and I pass them on to the Titan community. The 3.5 in the edge is Nissan's. It is a good venture for both companies. The Mazda thing with Ford is well documented, but was always up for reevaluation. I trust my guys!
I have been predicting that it will not be an I6 configuration suspecting there is not enough space in the Titan shortish from end, but I'm not an engineer (I would actually prefer and I6).
We don't need the power output of the big 3's current crop of power plants either. the Titan is not spec'd to pull a 14,000 pound trailer.
As to the Navistar/International issue: they are the largest supplier of diesel engines in the US. There products have a good name in general and they supply engine to the US military as well. As far as I know, there have not been the issues that Ford had and the "word on the street" is that Ford fubar'd that situation. I believe I read that Ford is going to start building their own diesels in house and I would certainly not be interested in one of those.
There has been speculation on internet forums (and including this one as I recall) that International was developing a V6 TD for the Ford 1/2 ton platform. That is an engine I would be interested in. I have more faith in Titan engineers that Ford engineers.
Thanks for the information man.
Inside sources? Who told you that Fords 3.5L V6 was Nissans? I think you may want to be a little more careful on who you use as sources. That engine is a new Ford designed and built Duratec engine, not a VQ.Titan4mde said:Just going by my inside sources. I work for a sister corporation in the construction manufacturing division. My guys ARE NOT rumor makers. They pass facts along to me and I pass them on to the Titan community. The 3.5 in the edge is Nissan's. It is a good venture for both companies. The Mazda thing with Ford is well documented, but was always up for reevaluation. I trust my guys!
Wouldn't an I6 be longer than a V6 or V8? Unless you mount it transversely, and that doesn't make sense.
Carbeaux said:Wouldn't an I6 be longer than a V6 or V8? Unless you mount it transversely, and that doesn't make sense.
yes you are correct - but the length is the same regardless of which way you install it :upsidedow
personally, I would love to have a diesel Titan -- CC, optioned out pro-4x long bed - with a 6spd auto or manual.... ohh yeah big fun!!
Those #'s in your first post are around the same #'s the 6.6 duramax puts down. New ones have 365hp and 650#tq. I would imagine the numbers to be quite a bit smaller. Chevy is currently working a 4.? diesel for a 1/2 ton also. If Nissan is going to do it they had better do it quick before all the others get theirs out also. Then it will be extremely difficult for them to support that vehicle. Also, with all the stuff the EPA is having them put on diesels now. It has really hurt mpg. At least the Ford guys have been hit pretty hard. BOO EPA!
It would be nice to see one with a diesel with around 250hp 450 tq and about 30mpg. I really dont think that is unreasonable. My last truck was a duramax and I loved the torque. If I would not have hated the stick shift I would probably still have it. The mileage with them varied alot but apparently I was one of the lucky ones because my highway mileage was always 22 mpg unless I was pulling a trailer and then I still got 15-16mpg. The mileage gain would have to be big though to make up for the added cost of the truck which Im sure will be substantial.
Nissan should team up with the Duramax platform. Isuzu make it, and they've been making diesel engines for over 50 years. Quiet, for a diesel, and real smooth power. Lot's of it!
Titan4mde, you are spot on with the Quest/Villager thing, I'm a Ford tech and everytime we have a Villager come in its a pain in the *** because we have to go to extra lengths to get all the stuff on it, since its mostly Nissan stuff. But theres nothing like that with the Edge, so if that is a similar deal they must've made it easier for us.
And if International is going to be supplying the motor for the Titan, I would say its going to be the 6.4 Powerstroke, of course it won't be called that, but I know that Ford is dropping that engine as soon as they can roll out their own diesel engine design. As far as I can tell that is the only engine International has that will be suitable, as the the DT 466 is probably a little too large to fit in a smaller pickup, granted it could probably be done, but it might take alot to do that.And Ford had plans to put International's 4.5L V6 in the 1/2 tons and Expeditions but that got canceled.
And if International is going to be supplying the motor for the Titan, I would say its going to be the 6.4 Powerstroke, of course it won't be called that, but I know that Ford is dropping that engine as soon as they can roll out their own diesel engine design. As far as I can tell that is the only engine International has that will be suitable, as the the DT 466 is probably a little too large to fit in a smaller pickup, granted it could probably be done, but it might take alot to do that.And Ford had plans to put International's 4.5L V6 in the 1/2 tons and Expeditions but that got canceled.
My "guys" roughly mentioned the 3.5 being the same as Nissan's. Of course Ford is not going to brand it that way if it is indeed. I'll check back with them on this. My "guys" have ALWAYS, and I repeat ALWAYS rang true even if not obvious at first. But, Hey, there's a first time for everything. They are usually pretty careful about releasing info that is speculative in any way. There is even another "inside man" on another Titan Forum saying this about the 3.5's. I've talked with him extensively about several subjects and have yet to drag anything out of him that turned out inaccurate either!! Anyway, BACK ON THE REAL TOPIC, The I6 is truly the more efficient platform but y'all brought up a real good point. SPACE. Maybe this is where the rumors of redesign are spawning from. I haven't been able to get a confirmation on the redesign as of yet. I'm met with "can't comment at this time","not at liberty", etc....We all know a redesign is coming, just when is what's the question. Nissan is so maticulous about efficiency that they will probably do them both at the same time but that's not any kind of confirmation from my side.
I only get on to learn and pass on what I have learned. If I say I have sources, that's just it, sources-not rumor sturrers! If I can clear up stuff that has been rumored or whatever, I will. Basicly, I'm on here to help and to be helped. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. Just passing on info from the people that have proven themselves credible. Everyone is certainly entitled to believe what the want.
I only get on to learn and pass on what I have learned. If I say I have sources, that's just it, sources-not rumor sturrers! If I can clear up stuff that has been rumored or whatever, I will. Basicly, I'm on here to help and to be helped. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. Just passing on info from the people that have proven themselves credible. Everyone is certainly entitled to believe what the want.
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