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#1 ·
I have officially been warned by 2 bozos at work now that if I don't get rid of the Titan soon, "because gas prices are never gonna go down", that I will be the owner of a worthless dinosaur. One guy owns a Prius and the other a SUV he's getting rid of. I gave them both the verbal finger, but I will have to admit, I'm alittle worried about it being a 5,800 lb weight around my neck if I have to trade it in during a gas crisis.
I know, don't fall for the chicken little "the sky is falling" routine, but what do you guys think? I DO NOT want to get rid of the Titan. At least anytime soon.
I do not have a long commute to work. I can car pool with the GF since we work at the same place. I don't have kids that extra gas money should be going to. So in other words I can afford it right now. Just looking down the road. Heck if it got really bad I'd get a motorcycle.
 
#3 ·
well I hope a new prius can pull your 20 foot trailer :)

Hell just get a 3 cylinder geo metro then you would be Pimpin!

Gas is over 2.50 a gallon here at the moment! at some places it is over $3 a gallon! Good thing I can get to work and back on a gallon of gas :)
 
#4 ·
I was talking to my advisor about this and he had an analysis about the oil situation and future predictions. I'll see if i can get a copy or find it on the web but the consensus is that oil prices will fall back. (probably never back to $20.00 a barrel but the upper 20's to the lower 30's later this year.)
 
#5 ·
Squid said:
I was talking to my advisor about this and he had an analysis about the oil situation and future predictions. I'll see if i can get a copy or find it on the web but the consensus is that oil prices will fall back. (probably never back to $20.00 a barrel but the upper 20's to the lower 30's later this year.)
Ok, who are you and what have you done with Squid??? That has to be the most serious sounding post I have ever seen you make. Are you currently wearing a suit and styling your hair in a combover manner?
 
#6 ·
what about the gas shortages and rising gas prices in the late 70s early 80s...? wasn't that the birth of the econo 4banger... V8s lived then, they'll live in the future... ain't no dino, fins!!!! tell those bozos i'll kick their a$$ if they don't shut their traps!!! :boxing: with two red coffee mugs in my hands, damnit!!!!!
 
#7 · (Edited)
This is his source of information.


21 Feb 2005
World economy: Our outlook for oil
COUNTRY BRIEFING

FROM THE ECONOMIST INTELLIGENCE UNIT

Global crude oil prices have remained strong in 2005, with Europe’s benchmark, dated Brent, averaging US$45/barrel since the beginning of the year. High prices reflect stronger-than-expected demand in both industrialised and emerging markets, plus an OPEC production cut of more than 700,000 barrels/day and minor supply disruptions in various non-OPEC countries.

Both the International Energy Agency (IEA) and OPEC analysts have made downward revisions to non-OPEC production in 2005, while at the same time raising forecast demand levels. This has resulted in a tightening of the projected global oil supply-demand balance for this year and an increase on the call on OPEC production. Furthermore, OPEC members have formally suspended the cartel's US$22-28/b price target and have tightened compliance to its 27m b/d production limit—suggesting that they now expect (and indeed are working towards) higher prices. We are therefore making a minor upward adjustment to our short term price projections for 2005 from a previous annual average of US$36/b to US$37.5/b.

Demand

On the oil demand side, we are currently forecasting global growth of 2.2% in 2005. Although this is a slowdown from the heady 3.4% growth achieved in 2004, it is still significant when compared with the average annual growth of 1.5% since 1990. Oil demand in 2005 will average 84m b/d compared with 83m b/d in 2004—almost 10m b/d higher than the ten-year average of 74.8m b/d. Demand proved to be remarkably inelastic to the surging oil prices of last year and there is little reason to believe 2005 should be any different. Demand from industrialised, or OECD, economies is set to grow by 0.7% as growth in North America (and to a lesser extent) Europe, is offset by declines in the Pacific. Non-OECD demand will rise by 6.3%.

Much of the upward revision in the IEA's global consumption number is due to a larger estimate for Chinese demand (based on a more robust outlook for their naphtha demand) which is expected to rise by 6.3%, against the 16% increase seen in 2004. We believe this to be too conservative, and expect growth of 7.2%—closer to its expected 2005 GDP growth rate of 9%. Oil consumption rose by a higher-than-expected 9.5% in the fourth quarter of 2005 and strong growth is anticipated for 2005. China is expected to build another large strategic oil reserve later this year, while rumours persist of on-going power shortages—implying that once again, diesel-fired generators could be needed to meet electricity needs, in turn requiring large fuel imports. (In January, 21 Chinese provincial power grids were forced to shut-down as a result of surging demand for electricity).

Furthermore, China’s three main drivers of oil consumption—energy, transport and petrochemicals—are all continuing to grow rapidly, implying continuing strong demand for oil. In anticipation, China's major oil companies have been busy securing longer-term energy supplies. Sinopec and PetroChina have been in talks with several investors in Canada's oil sands and are securing ties with various suppliers in the former Soviet Union for pipeline construction, possible acquisitions and oil supplies.

Supply

With oil demand expected to remain healthy, the key factors underpinning our price outlook focus on how readily supply will be able to meet this increase, or if it will once again get "caught short", as it did in 2004. Our base case view is that suppliers will be better prepared this year to meet the projected increase in demand following a gradual rebuilding of both stocks and spare capacity. Global oil production is expected to rise by 3.2% (or 2.66m b/d) in 2005, to 85.6m b/d.

Output from non-OPEC suppliers will amount to just over 51m b/d of this growth, equivalent to a year-on-year increase of 2.1% (or 1m b/d more than in 2004). This represents a modest slowdown from the 2.3% growth seen in 2004, which is surprising given that prices are expected to remain high this year. There have been a number of downward revisions to non-OPEC production for 2005 that reflect declines in the North Sea, Australia and the non-OPEC Middle East (Oman, Yemen, Syria and Egypt). While these declines will be offset by growth in the former Soviet Union, Latin America and parts of Africa, substantial downward adjustments have been made here as well.

Russia, which has been the driver of non-OPEC supply growth in recent years (accounting for 75% of the growth last year), has been experiencing a sharp decline in growth rates in recent months. Year-on-year production growth peaked at 12% in summer 2003, easing down to 10% through spring 2004. But since December 2004, growth has slowed to around 6%. This trend reflects flat production from the main Yukos assets, the struggling transport and infrastructure, and the increasingly uncertain regulatory and fiscal environment (not least for foreign investors). The IEA has therefore revised Russian production for 2005, and now expects it to average 9.58m b/d, an increase of 3.8% from 2004 (compared with 8.7% growth in 2004). This slowdown in growth will be maintained into 2006, on the assumption that oil companies in Russia will curb investment until business concerns such as production taxes are clarified.

OPEC

The downward adjustment to non-OPEC production (coupled with the upward revision to demand) has led to prospects of a tighter global market and to an upward revision to the call on OPEC for 2005. However, according to OPEC, the oil market is currently facing global oversupply. With this in mind, January saw key OPEC members cut production, causing output in OPEC-10 (that is excluding Iraq) to fall by 610,000 b/d, to just over 27m b/d—the stated upper limit for OPEC production. Saudi Arabia cut output by 350,000 b/d to 9.1m b/d, Kuwait by 100,000 b/d to 2.3m b/d and the UAE by 90,000 b/d to 2.4m b/d. Smaller reductions were made by Iran, Qatar and Libya, while synthetic crude output rose in Venezuela. Output in Nigeria made a partial recovery from the December disruptions. In Iraq (where quotas do not apply), despite relatively successful elections in January, production fell again; our forecast is that output will remain stagnant at around the 2m b/d level in 2005, as Iraq struggles to overcome repeated disruptions to internal refinery operations, northern pipeline problems and loading delays at southern ports.

We believe that OPEC will by and large try to stick to a level just above its 27m b/d quota over the course of 2005. Its decision to rein in production in December 2004—at a time when its basket of crude prices had fallen to a "low" of US$40/b—and its subsequent decision in January to suspend its reference price target of US$22-28/b, suggests that the cartel is now targeting higher oil prices. The decline in the value of the dollar (which has shed more than 50% of its value against the euro since February 2002) is continuing to undermine oil revenue, adding further incentive to achieve higher prices. For Saudi Arabia in particular, higher oil prices have become a necessity in order to address domestic fiscal and social issues. According to OPEC members, the twin effects of adjusting the oil price for inflation and converting prices to euros cuts the OPEC Basket price to close to the old $22-28/b price band. We now believe OPEC will try to defend a floor of US$35/b. We do, however, include the possibility of quota indiscipline among OPEC members, and have factored in a gradual increase in OPEC production from the second half of 2005, which will help put some pressure on prices.

OPEC is concerned that stocks could rise too much in the second quarter, when seasonal demand falls. OCED commercial stocks are now at or above their five-year average, while the US's latest weekly stockpile data indicate that crude inventories are 8% higher than last year and gasoline supplies up 7%, at the highest level since 1999. As these stocks make their way to the market over the course of the year, we expect prices to ease from current highs, and by 2006 we expect an annual average price of $33.5/b for dated Brent. This is an upward revision from our previous forecasts and reflects the sharper and prolonged slowdown expected from Russian production, coupled with OPEC's new high-price strategy.

Medium term outlook and upside risks

In 2006-2009, prices will weaken as demand decelerates, while higher stock levels are rebuilt and investment is made towards expanding global spare capacity. The extreme conditions of 2004, when the major oil producers were caught with low spare capacity (leaving the world vulnerable to supply disruptions and contributing to increased volatility and high prices), should continue to ease as we move into the forecast period. Prices will settle in the US$28-29/b range over the medium term.
We do, however, caution that there remain a number of significant upside risks to our base case price scenario. On the demand side, there is the possibility that global demand will rise faster than currently projected. This is certainly possible in China and other emerging non-OECD markets. China remains the wildcard in our demand outlook; its low per capita oil consumption and huge potential for further industrial growth could have major implications for oil demand growth.


On the supply side, we remain concerned that the world is short of good upstream opportunities and that not enough investment in long-term expansion is being made. Declines in mature producing regions, such as the North Sea, non-OPEC Middle East and Australia, are limiting the effect of large supply increases elsewhere. As Russian growth slows, gains from (often expensive) new deep-water and offshore projects will be crucial in keeping non-OPEC supply growth near the averages of the past few years. There is little evidence that the recent windfall revenues enjoyed by the major international oil companies are being ploughed back into further exploration and production spending, with most firms preferring instead to invest in share buy-backs and other schemes.

Cheap oil resources are increasingly concentrated in countries that are remote, extremely protective of their national bounty or hostile to foreign capital. This will have a negative effect on our projections for future growth of oil supplies as well as spare capacity. In a situation of slower non-OPEC supply growth and higher world demand, market power would rest largely with OPEC, which has yet to decide how fast to develop its resources.

Finally, there remains the ongoing risk of periodic price spikes in the event of supply outages—whether related to politics, as in Venezuela or Iraq, labour disputes, as in Norway and Nigeria, or adverse weather conditions, as in the Gulf of Mexico. We also include here the possibility of some military action against Iran (which has huge oil reserves, second to Saudi Arabia’s). The US government is likely to take an increasingly hard-line stance towards Iran as it continues ahead with its nuclear programme. While a full-scale invasion and occupation is unlikely, economic sanctions or bombing of selected targets in the country could seriously affect Iran’s oil exports. The loss of oil from any one of these producers would substantially reduce the world's cushion of spare capacity, creating another shortage of immediately available production. If this happens at a time when demand is rising strongly, prices could shift sharply higher.

Source: ViewsWire London

http://www.viewswire.com/index.asp?layout=display_article&doc_id=1478056747
 
#8 ·
They're just jealous you and the rest of us Titan owners own such an awesome truck. Was an issue in the 70s and it's just it's turn again. The only reason the price of oil is up so much is because those oil producing countries know that the American public WILL pay for gas, cause we are so dependent upon our vehicles. Once things start settling down a little more in the middle east, gas will just drop back to where it was. I'd much rather consider getting a secondary commute car than get rid of my Titan for something smaller - that would be admitting defeat to those environmentalists who want big vehicles off the roads cause we ran over a flower or hit a skunk crossing the road.
 
#10 ·
back in '72 I was driving my '69 GTO. gas jumped to 50 cents a gallon and I traded for a volks bus. My girlfriend kept her '70 GTO and lorded it over me for a year till I dumped the nagging beach...but she was right and I was wrong. shoulda kept that big hoss. should kept that girl. anyway, I'm keeping the titan. juma
 
#11 ·
keiffers said:
that would be admitting defeat to those environmentalists who want big vehicles off the roads cause we ran over a flower or hit a skunk crossing the road.
:rofl: god forbid right? like when they blow their nose with tissue paper isn't that like contributing to the hacking of a tree? not unless they're all blowing their noses like the Polish? (no offense, my father in-law and best friend are polish and are always cracking polish jokes)
 
#12 ·
Hey King Squid, I'm still waiting for the punchline? Or are you just saving that for another post? :jester:
 
#14 · (Edited)
If gas prices increase to $10.00 a gallon, I'll still keep my Titan. The high cost of gas doesn't eliminate my need to haul stuff. Rather than get rid of my Titan I would buy a used Civic and put fart pipes on it and use it as my primary means of transportation.
 
#15 ·
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! WHEW! HAHAHAHAHA!

Advice from a Prius owner and a guy who is getting rid of an SUV, because gas is too expensive. Prius boy is probaby a tree-hugging metrosexual who wouldn't know what to do with a truck if he had one. SUV dude is an idiot. What - are you going to save money by taking a big hit on trade in and buying a new car?

Let's do a little analysis, shall we?

Let's say we drive 15000 miles a year, and get 15 miles to a gallon. That's a 1000 gallons of gas.

Cheap gas - $1.75 a gallon - cost is $1750 for the year.
Expensive gas - $2.50 a gallon - cost is $2500 for the year.

Difference? $750 bucks a year. Big deal. Also, has anyone's gas gone up $.75 this year? Probably $.50 is about max. for most, making the difference $500. Still, for the sake of argument, let's work with the $750 figure.

So, SUV boy trades in his Ford Exploder and takes a $5000 hit on the trade. It will take him 6 2/3 years just to break even ($5000/$750 per year), not counting the payment difference when going to the new vehicle, the increased insurance for the new car, the more expensive tabs and the sales tax. He just might have that new car paid for by then. Savings? NONE.

I bet the Hondas and Toyotas of the world are just drooling over this "gas crisis" - They're gonna sell a pile of cars to these morons who can't do basic math. Tell your buddy to sell his SUV. I hope he goes broke.

I feel like Maddox (bestpageintheuniverse.com). Keep driving your Titan. Drive OVER the next Prius you see.

HS
 
#16 ·
The sad thing this the goverment is the one who buys the most gas each year. all companies get write offs of gas and vehicles so we are only screwing the poor guy who has to buy his own gas. I get paid each month for the deprication on my titan and my expenses through company write offs. i bet the 20% who drive the 60% of the miles is in the same boat( I drive 30-40 k each year). so you only screw the poor dumb guy by having higher price which lead to more inflation. :boxing:
 
#17 ·
Gasoline prices will go up and down but one thing is for sure and that's that gasoline is a finite resource and the demand for it is increasing exponentially. The price of it is going to absolutely skyrocket at some point in time, when exactly no one knows but there will be a time in the future that people will look back at this time and shake their heads about the lack of respect we have for this wonderful resource (driving 15mpg suv)...Skid if you want to believe that gas will fall back to 20 dollar a barrel range you are dreaming I assure you that much has been written saying that the price of crude is up for good.
 
#18 · (Edited)
LOL, you guys are great. I told them both they were full of it, but it did make me wonder what I would get for the Titan at trade it time in a couple of years if the price of gas was $3.50 a gallon. Or if I got a job I had to commute a long distance to and gas was up there. Would anyone even take a trade like a beast V8 then?
I think they planted a seed in my head because it was hard to get gas after the two hurricanes this year. Alot of stations were damaged and even those that were not were not getting gas for about a week or so. There was a delay because of demand (generators, and everyone wanting out of or into FL at the same time) and the tankers were not in port because there was 3 canes swirling around in the same general time span and area. Alot of rail cars could not get through also. At least thats what they told us. Then there was the 11 days without power.....then another 5 the next hurricane.... I remember wishing I had a gas miser car to go around looking for ice, water, and oh ya, more gas for the generator. Had to look everyday. It wasn't that gas was expensive then, just not much around, period. Sometimes you had to listen to the radio to gets tips what station had gas. Don't care how the news programs made it seem, we were strugglin to find gas everyday. Needless to say the Titan did not get driven alot during that time unless absolutely vital.
 
#23 ·
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! WHEW! HAHAHAHAHA!

Advice from a Prius owner and a guy who is getting rid of an SUV, because gas is too expensive. Prius boy is probaby a tree-hugging metrosexual who wouldn't know what to do with a truck if he had one. SUV dude is an idiot. What - are you going to save money by taking a big hit on trade in and buying a new car?

Let's do a little analysis, shall we?

Let's say we drive 15000 miles a year, and get 15 miles to a gallon. That's a 1000 gallons of gas.

Cheap gas - $1.75 a gallon - cost is $1750 for the year.
Expensive gas - $2.50 a gallon - cost is $2500 for the year.

Difference? $750 bucks a year. Big deal. Also, has anyone's gas gone up $.75 this year? Probably $.50 is about max. for most, making the difference $500. Still, for the sake of argument, let's work with the $750 figure.

So, SUV boy trades in his Ford Exploder and takes a $5000 hit on the trade. It will take him 6 2/3 years just to break even ($5000/$750 per year), not counting the payment difference when going to the new vehicle, the increased insurance for the new car, the more expensive tabs and the sales tax. He just might have that new car paid for by then. Savings? NONE.

I bet the Hondas and Toyotas of the world are just drooling over this "gas crisis" - They're gonna sell a pile of cars to these morons who can't do basic math. Tell your buddy to sell his SUV. I hope he goes broke.

I feel like Maddox (bestpageintheuniverse.com). Keep driving your Titan. Drive OVER the next Prius you see.

HS
Amen Half Shovel !! Maddox rules!!
 
#24 ·
I can see it now...early January...the year 2027:
I bought my Titan because it has brushless DC motors, and the Dodge design really just didn't give me that "seat of my pants" feel I get when I step on my potentiometer. Besides, don't you think the stock whir of our motors sounds much better than Ford's? I mean, you can't even hear those things at all! My Dad talks about his "gas powered" truck all the time and how much more he likes it. Whatever man.
 
#25 ·
FluxCubby said:
I can see it now...early January...the year 2027:
I bought my Titan because it has brushless DC motors, and the Dodge design really just didn't give me that "seat of my pants" feel I get when I step on my potentiometer. Besides, don't you think the stock whir of our motors sounds much better than Ford's? I mean, you can't even hear those things at all! My Dad talks about his "gas powered" truck all the time and how much more he likes it. Whatever man.
That's such a sad thought. Scary that it could be where were heading. Maybe I should put my Titan in a vault right now and go out and buy a Prius. Then, in 2027 it'll be a very rare collector's item which the Smithsonian will purchase from for a wad of cash. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to keep working in the mean time in case my plan doesn't come to fruition....