Delrin spacers and lift shackles

berto07T · Dec 15, 2016

So is prg.com still the only place to get the delrin spacers for the lower control arms mine are starting to make a lot of noise now it's getting annoying. No one has came up with a DIY version of those? Like basic washers or something?

How many of you run lift shackles? Did you install yourself?

LSturbointeg · Dec 15, 2016

I ordered those Derlin spacers hoping to fix my clanging issue but it didn't. Ended up ordering new LCA's and the clanging went away! As far as I know PRG is the only one that makes it. I did re-use the Derlin's when I installed the new LCA's for preventative maintenance. I've never heard of lift shackles but lowering shackles I used the Crown Suspension. Yes, I installed everything myself

berto07T · Dec 16, 2016

What! Aw man I hope I the spacers do the trick for me! I thought I was done with the front end for a while just the sound has been getting annoying makes the truck sound like it's breaking lol who else had no luck with the spacers ? I was going to install them another I found on here where you cut a specific size price of and just smack them in through the top.

But I wanted a tad bit more lift in the rear not lower lol that's why I haven't ordered any other shackle since almost all replacements are lowering ones. And the fact hat I have an 07 and we have "weak" shackles I was hoping to knock out two birds with one stone.

LSturbointeg · Dec 16, 2016

When I got my Derlin Spacers I did notch them from a DIY posted from here u think. I see your sig says Moog lowers so since they're new or just replaced It doesn't hurt to try it anyways as it did help with some of the guys who had banging noises and what not! It's only $40. If it still bangs/clanks than it's either your lower ball joints or your LCA Bushings. How many miles on the truck?

How much more lift do you want in the back? I see you're running the RC blocks so since you can't stack blocks your only option would be PRG Deaver C10's for 1.5" lift I think or Deaver C30's for 2.5" of lift depending if you're 4×2 or 4×4?

berto07T · Dec 16, 2016

Actually it's moog problem solver lower ball joints lol truck has 120k

Yeah that's my other option. Are the lift shackles that bad? It's says they'll lift 1"

I'm 4x2 so we get less lift don't we?

LSturbointeg · Dec 16, 2016

probably the lower ball joints than but i would be surpised if it was your LCA bushings gone bad. PRG also carries their LCA bushing kit if you weren't aware? PRG Products i was told the lower ball joints cannot be replaced but i've seen them sold separately i think from rockauto?

here's what i had to do to get my OEM LCA's off because one bolt on each side was seized and nothing would break it loose. i even took it to a shop and they couldn't break it! i couldn't replace my bolts with the SPC Cambolts because of this. so i took a sawzall to it!

the shackles don't lift the truck at all. they lower depending on which one's you get. i got the Crown Suspension shackles which is adjustable from 1-2". my truck sat pretty high due to the 4" block, Deaver C-30's so i was getting 6"+ in the rear as you can see here. the a$$ end sits up too high compared to the front:

installed the shackles set to 2" which brought it down too low:

so i had to go back and set them to just 1" and here's how she sits now:

berto07T · Dec 16, 2016

Well the joints Shouldn't be bad lol they were put in about 10k miles ago same time as my DK uppers pretty much which have moogs too. Yeah they're replaceable though just need a press. Yeah I saw those seems like it's harder to replace those bushings than the ball joints lol damn well I think I'm going to try the delrin spacers and I'm hoping they help. Don't really want to replace the lower control arms. It was a b!$&@ to reinstall the 5100's with the 4x4 coils.

We have opposite problems you wanted lower I want higher haha. Were the deavers hard to install ? Or did you get them installed?

Truck looks beast man! Especially with that long bed!

LSturbointeg · Dec 16, 2016

Deaver's weren't hard to install but it takes time and patience. there's a couple of DIY for this. here's what they look like from PRG!

here's a picture of what you would have to do when clamping down the leafs.

here's lining up the bolts when you clamp them together:

and here they are installed!

this is the only way you're going to lift the back!

berto07T · Dec 16, 2016

Man those look good lol do they make any noise? How does the rear end ride not to stiff or bouncy ? I've done the rear blocks myself which was pretty simple, do you HAVE to remove the spring pack to install these? I can't just undo the ubolts jack it up and slide them in?

I see that you installed the 5125 with the body up, I wanna install mine this way too but with the boots off. Did the bushings and sleeves for our Titans come in different size/length for the top and bottom?

LSturbointeg · Dec 16, 2016

I used I think MTKross's DIY to prevent sqeaks on the leafs since I had to take them apart anyways when installing the Deaver's. Just a lot of grease between each spring. The bottom flat spring (overload leaf) is removed completely when adding the Deaver's. There's a couple of ways to install them. I did both. You can remove the springs completey off the truck and separate the leafs or do it while it's in the truck. The Deaver's are nice as they allow a bit more load handling and the Deavers greatly decrease axle wrap and drastically improve the ride.

I did upgrade to the Biltein 5125's for 6"+ lift applications. It rides very nice! You can remove the boots if you want but it protects from dirt and debris getting into the piston.

The bushings/sleeves are different and when I ordered mine Mike from ORW included them which are nice because they're the Energy Suspension

Here's the Crown Suspension Shackles

If budget allows you I highly recommend some Traction Bars as these were the single biggest improvement in handling! I had slight drive line vibrations even tho I had the CBDB installed but as soon as my CJD Traction Bars were installed it just tightened everything up! Hard to explain but it feels much smoother! Plus it's Eye Candy!

dubyam · Dec 17, 2016

Just for the record, there are a couple of different brands of lift - not lowering - shackles available. I've been considering them as an option for and inch or inch and a half, as that's the two lift amounts I've seen. My only fear is they don't appear as robust in pics as I'd like them to be, but it is just pics, and a pic of two shackles laying on a table is tough to gauge.

berto07T · Dec 18, 2016

dubyam said:
Just for the record, there are a couple of different brands of lift - not lowering - shackles available. I've been considering them as an option for and inch or inch and a half, as that's the two lift amounts I've seen. My only fear is they don't appear as robust in pics as I'd like them to be, but it is just pics, and a pic of two shackles laying on a table is tough to gauge.

Any links ? The only one I am able to find are the maxtrac lift shackles that lift 1"

LSturbointeg · Dec 18, 2016

i've seen this topic covered before and like many members here who have pretty good knowledge on suspension is that the way they designed our leaf springs is not the same like other trucks. something about ours is mounted from up top vs underneath where lift shackles could be used. being under my truck when i installed the shackles i can see where you wouldn't really get any lift as there's only about an 1" left before hitting the mounting bolts. even than 1" would really be noticeable.

berto07T · Dec 19, 2016

Guess Ima have to save up for some deavers then ! And just purchase some shackles that have the stock setting on them.

Question for you ls turbo, did your bilsteins 5125 fit a little loose on the stock rear shock bolt? Haven't fully torqued it down because my passenger side lower bolt was a little corroded and it stripped so have to get one from ththe dealer. But looking at them they fit snug in the sleeve of the procomp ones but have a little slack in the new sleeve. Normal?

LSturbointeg · Dec 19, 2016

berto07T said:
Guess Ima have to save up for some deavers then ! And just purchase some shackles that have the stock setting on them.

Question for you ls turbo, did your bilsteins 5125 fit a little loose on the stock rear shock bolt? Haven't fully torqued it down because my passenger side lower bolt was a little corroded and it stripped so have to get one from ththe dealer. But looking at them they fit snug in the sleeve of the procomp ones but have a little slack in the new sleeve. Normal?

nope! the 5125's require the correct sleeves for the Titan as you have to swap them out. that's why the Energy Suspension bushings were included. so they fit snug.

berto07T · Dec 19, 2016

Those are the exact ones I got. Hmm weird. You don't remember if you were able to wiggle in the actual sleeve like little less than 1/4" ? I'm talking about when they were off before install. Also are your sleeves same length as your bushings or are they longer ? I'll post some pics tomorrow

LSturbointeg · Dec 19, 2016

can't really remember. i just new i had to pop out the one's that were already in the Bilsteins and install the new bushings. than install the sleeves which was a pain in the butt! the sleeves were the same length as the bushings.

berto07T · Dec 19, 2016

Yeah that's what I did too, yeah those new sleeves where a little hard to get in they kept wanting to go in crooked. Applied some grease to the inside of the bushing and it slowly slid in.

Here's some pictures as you can tell the sleeves fit just a tiny bit bigger than the pro comp ones and the sleeve is longer. The shocks won't move side to side ? And the sleeve fitting just tad bit loose won't cause noise?

A little more clearance on the new sleeves around the bolt

Sleeve on the procomp longer. Not sure if that matters

berto07T · Dec 21, 2016

Got it done. I think the people that installed the lift widened the brackets for the procomp shocks to fit cause when I torqued down they tightened down. They ride goood! Next for now is the delrin spacers. How did you measure to know how much to cut?

Question about the deavers. Are the c30's longer than the c10's? Or do they just have more arch?

LSturbointeg · Dec 21, 2016

berto07T said:
Got it done. I think the people that installed the lift widened the brackets for the procomp shocks to fit cause when I torqued down they tightened down. They ride goood! Next for now is the delrin spacers. How did you measure to know how much to cut?

Question about the deavers. Are the c30's longer than the c10's? Or do they just have more arch?

I didn't have to widen the bracket for the 5125's to fit? but i saw the picture you posted and they look great! as far as the deaver's they don't have pictures on their website that shows the 2 as i looked at the pictures they used and they're both identical. i'm assuming the springs are different as one has more lift than the other so yeah...maybe more arch? here's the link on how to modify those Derlin's to fit: PRG LCA Delrin spacer install, the easy way - Nissan Titan Forum

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