New to Titans as of yesterday. I traded in my 2023 Tundra SR5 Sport for a 2024 Titan Pro4X largely because of this engine issue.

The gen 3 Tundras have quite a few issues. Granted, it's a new platform. But we're on the 3rd MY of these trucks, the 2024s are experiencing engine failures, we've had issues with the fuel lines, transmissions, MASSIVE fit and finish issues (the amount of thin, cheap, poorly fitted, gap-ridden plastic in the new Tundras is pretty unbelievable), water intrusion, etc etc.

I bought my Tundra based solely on Toyota's stellar reputation for quality, having owned multiple problem-free Toyota and Lexus products over the years. Something has changed over there. I willfully ignored so many weird things I noticed in that Tundra because, "Well, Toyotas are reliable!" Their reputation has given people confidence to buy these otherwise cheaply made trucks and gloss over all of the very visible issues with them because, "Toyota will get it right! Toyota will take care of us!" (It's not even debatable...drive one for a while and you'll get it. Anyone saying otherwise is in deep, deep denial, as people tend to be when they've spent a lot of money and realize they've made a mistake).

Toyota isn't going to take care of anyone. There's shrapnel in these engines. Every mile driven is tearing them up. Didn't want to wait around and find out. The repair involves tearing down the majority of the truck and reusing almost all of the engine parts minus the short block. In the words of a Toyota tech, "we do it and hope the other parts were unaffected." The repair goes on your CarFax, your value tanks, and there's no guarantee that the truck will ever be the same again. How can it be? They're doing all of this work at the dealer level.

As the Titan is the last of the V8's from a Japanese manufacturer, known for its proven platform, reliability, feature richness and value, etc, it made it a no-brainer. I'd never driven one prior to Monday of this week and I fell in love immediately. Felt like an idiot for listening to the media and never giving one a chance. Would have saved me a lot of headaches. Love my new Titan. Can't believe how loaded it is and how much I paid for it. Paid $5k less for a loaded Pro4X than I did for my stripped down SR5 Tundra.

If I sound salty, it's because I am. I just took a bath on a shitty truck that I bought based on their reputation. Glad they're being taken to task on this one. Glad I'm in a Titan. Top to bottom, it's a better vehicle and it's not even close.

 

Welcome to the club!

 

It really is crazy-I wonder what the remedy will be? New engines for all 100K?

 

It'll likely be some kind of extended warranty if I were to guess. Who knows though...they could surprise all of us and do the right thing and replace these engines, but they likely won't.

 

I was dead set to get a new Tundra. For 3 years since the 22 came out, I tried to ink a deal on a new SR5 TRD OR longbed. Every model year kept having issues. In Dec 2023 I made one last serious attempt to acquire a 2024 Tundra, and ended up giving up. Thank goodness.

I still have one eye on the new Tacoma.... we'll have to see how that goes.

The current fix for a blown Tundra engine is a short block swap. Anyone curious what that looks like, look it up. Plenty of pics and videos online of new Tundras being disassembled for a short block.
It's a highly complex new engine, and if I had one that required a new short block, I'd sell it right away.

 

Looks like the hybrid motors aren't part of the recall, but I don't know if I'll trust that part.

 

There's a list of Tundra engine failures being tracked online, and there's a few iForce Max hybrid trucks with blown engine. But, it's very few. Could be due to most trucks aren't hybrid....

 

Chrysler had a similar problem with the first runs of the new Pentastar V-6 years back. Metal shavings in the right cylinder head assembly. Repaired with new head and 100k warranty. Toyota making the same error years later reminds me that most everything post Covid is of lesser quality.

 

My thought here is that Toyota actually created a recall. Most manufacturers don’t admit to faults - they just make a TSB and let the vehicle owners pay the bill. Kind of like our Cylinder 7 issues were not a recall but rather something we all have to mention and as we have seen - some were covered and some are not.

 

Don't get me wrong, Nissan definitely chooses to bury it's head when problems arise (CVTs, manifolds, #7)
But the Tundra issue is FAR worse than #7. People are actually being stranded from a completely seized engine well before the warranty is up. Toyota can't ignore it. Our #7 issue didn't really leave anyone stranded and didn't rise to an urgent safety issue. These Tundras have dropped dead on the highway and lost all power while their owners try to pull over safely.

I would be totally disappointed if I owned a Tundra and it needed the short block replaced. I'd feel better if Toyota extended the engine warranty, but I'd still sell it before the warranty is up. It won't happen to every truck, but it is a serious lapse in QC from a brand that sells the mythos of reliability.

 

Two thoughts on this...first, if Toyota is really swapping out engines due to metal shavings not being properly cleaned out (I thinks that's what an article I read mentioned) what's going to be the financial fallout for them?

Next thought...will this make prices of the previous platform Tundas more expensive since they'll be in higher demand now?

 

This reminds me of an example given by a manufacturing professor of mine years ago. Back in the day Mazda and Ford were partners and many of their cars shared the same platform (Think the Ford Ranger and Mazda B1000 pickups or Ford Ranger and Mazda Tribute SUV's). The story goes that the transmissions on one of these platforms became the subject of a recall. Investigators soon found that it was isolated to transmissions that were made only is the US factories and not those from Japan. When Ford and Mazda engineers dug into it they found that the Japanese technicians when given a dimension and tolerance on a part would strive to hit the nominal dimension. US technicians, on the other hand, would still produce parts that were technically built to specification, but they were loosely controlled and had measured dimensions throughout the tolerance range. Though they were both producing the same transmission, from the same drawings and with the same tools. The Japanese built transmissions were built with better precision, when the US built counterpart was not. The poor fit of the various US built parts resulted in those transmissions having enough issues to be recalled.

That being said. Toyota of 2024 is not the same as the Toyota of days past that earned them their reputation for quality. Today many of their models are built in the US or Mexico. If I were to buy a new Toyota now it would be a model that was built in Japan, like the 4Runner or Land Cruiser.

 

............................................That being said. Toyota of 2024 is not the same as the Toyota of days past that earned them their reputation for quality. Today many of their models are built in the US or Mexico. If I were to buy a new Toyota now it would be a model that was built in Japan, like the 4Runner or Land Cruiser.

I experienced my first taste of Japanese quality vs: American quality in the first Honda Accords. I bought a 1977 Accord hatchback with a manual transmission and it was rattle free and perfect in every way. Later in 1983, my girlfriend bought a 1983 Accord hatchback made here. Rattles, shoddy assembly etc.. Their quality today is still hit or miss. I wound up in my used 2020 Titan due to structural issues with a 2022 Ridgeline (and needing a v-8 for bigger towing) and my Titan is solid as a rock. Surprising, as it is assembled in the states.

 

I have not been impressed by Nissan “standing behind their products.” At all. They seem to not provide enough spare parts long term. I am sorry the Tundra is having engine problems. I think it is ugly anyway but the T100 of yesteryear was great. If I were to lose my truck due to some mishap then i think my next one would be a Ram 1500. But I really hope it does not come to that because my Gen 1 suits me and it is paid off. Now I have to kick it in gear and get that transmission oil changed.

 

I searched for a t100 for a long time trying to find a single cab, long bed, 5 speed. To me, that would be the best work around the yard truck

 

So I’m a new Titan owner and to this thread. Reading through this post as 3 friends have Tundra’s and I traded my 2021 Tacoma for my 2021 PR. I was unaware of some of the Titan issues mentioned here. Question, could someone give me a high-level of what I should be keeping an eye open for or have dealer check before warranty expires? I see #7, CVT, Manifold. Anything else.

 

You have a 2021, beginning in 2020 the #7 was resolved.
You also don't have a CVT, that's a problem specifically for FWD-based Nissans. All RWD-based Nissans use regular transmissions.

The manifold problem was the Gen 1 Titans, 2004-2015.

There's not many troubles for the Gen 2.5 (2020+) trucks. Certainly nothing that is any worse than any other good truck.

 

no cvt. no manifold issue on second gen.

and yours is new enough you should not have the scuffed cylinder issue. you can ask them to check for it but they will probably charge you.

 

I was just about to write the same thing.

 

The Titan is, by and large, a reliable vehicle with few major issues. You should do all the preventative maintenance, and crawl under and inspect every couple of months if youre not doing the PM yourself.

No need to worry about any CVT issues. The Titan doesn't have a CVT transmission. There were some CVT issues in early (2008-2012 range) CVT transmissions in Rogues and Altimas, but I've owned two (a 2012 Rogue and a 2013 Infiniti JX35; currently still own the latter) that my daughter has driven and with proper care they've given me zero issues. If someone hadn't rear-ended and totaled her 2012 Rogue she'd still be driving it.

The cylinder 7 issue is for early Gen2 Titans (2017-2019) and usually involves a replacement shortblock. It will sound like a knocking in the engine.

Manifolds leaks are not unique to Nissan by any means, but if you start hearing an exhaust leak (popping or chuffing sound at the wheelwells) on cold start or see a sudden dropoff in fuel economy, have it checked out.

Beyond that, you should be good. But maintaining PM is key.

 

They took care of any issue my 17 ever had. I think its more your dealer not trying to take care of you

 

Nissan has stopped making the light up grill emblem. No aftermarket makers.
I know it's only one part, but can you trust a company that sells a truck and stops making parts for it while the vehicle is still under warranty? I don't. The dealers can't fix a problem if they can't get the parts.

 

That was an accessory, there's no auto manufacturer obligated to continue manufacturing accessories. Usually, the only reason they are still available years later is if that accessory wasn't as popular as anticipated and lots of old stock is still available.

Also, to your previous statement about Toyota vs Nissan, I disagree.
I was screwed very hard by Toyota 15 years ago.
I have also been screwed by Nissan in the mid 90's too.

The problems affecting our trucks don't amount to safety issues. Toyota will also be stubborn to owners on non-safety issues. These recent Toyota issues are serious, and they aren't being altruistic by addressing them, they know they will eventually get into trouble if they don't. Just like their frames that aggressively rusted. They knew they'd lose court cases over that.

Don't complain about Nissan resale value, you should be using that to your ADVANTAGE, not acting disappointed by it. That is why we can get good deals on trucks.

Toyota is going to have to extend the engine warranty on the Tundras, personally, I don't think the Tundra engine issue is so bad that I wouldn't own one. But, now Tundra owners are facing a huge value hit, maybe overblown, but pretty much most of the bad rep about Nissan trucks is overblown too. Toyota, welcome to the club.

 

Well at least they are acknowledging a issue with their product unlike Nissan.... fact

 

Your facts are conflated.

Like I said, they are forced to. It is a safety issue.

Not much of the issues with the Titan will leave you stranded. Toyota would do the same thing.

Look up modern Toyota 4 cylinder oil consumption issues. Or the 6AT TC issues. Not a safety issue, and customers are left holding the bill. Watch the Car Care Nut on YT, you'd be surprised as to what Toyota tries to get away with.

 

Just read this 🤯😳😱

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/dealers-refusing-toyota-tundra-trade-160000532.html

 

Can’t wait for my 25’ Armada with the TTV6.

In the meantime to keep my current Armada quiet I switched to Castrol Euro 5w-30..

That stuff is a “short block” in a bottle… Amazed at how it quieted down the engine noise and knock.

Tons of zinc and phosphorus… Stuff that really protects engines… Like how oil used to be..

But anyway….

Buy a Titan that may have a noisy engine and keeps on going…

Or spend $15k more for a yoda’ that will blow and leave u on the side of the road.

And what’s even more impressive about the new Tundra is that it seems to get the same gas mileage as a Titan…

But hey… Us Americans like wasting money…

 

The cylinders are .1 bigger sounds cool but Nissan should reuse the v8 for the next Titan just like the same old CVT in new models. Nissan said 300 z would be gone forever but they revived z as 350. I dont know if I would get another Titan because I have taken mine to service a few times per year unlike other cars I have had. FK that. New 4runner sounds bad a$$ and Honda would bring out a new Passport with the same v6 against the 4runner next year. I would wait for some years later.

 

2018 Nissan Titan P4X, no issues and dealer visits, but due to potential for the cylinder 7 issues to crop up, traded it in at @42K miles for a 23 Titan P4X. The dealer sold the 18 P4X as a certified vehicle. The current 23 Titan Pro-4X has about 15K miles; no dealer visits thus far. Unless unlucky, I expect it to last.

Nissan is still carrying baggage related to earlier CVT mishaps. I rent Nissan vehicles (Altima's and Rogues) regularly when on projects and there are no CVT issues. The cars are responsive and smooth.

Nothing against Toyota, but the Tundra's are taking a beating. Chance for Nissan to use some marketing genius to capture some Toyota sales. There is news that other manufacturers dealerships are refusing Tundra trade-ins, plus the depreciation potential is rattling owners.

Nissan would be wise to weigh in the practical mileage differences between the existing 5.6 motor and a potential 3.0 to 4.0 TT replacement motor prior to ditching the V8.

 

I would be more confident driving in Toyota cars with their enhanced cvt. Nissan could have turned Pathfinder to 100% mini van with the same cvt and lower ground clearance. That would be called PathQuester.

 

Which transmission do you think new Pathfinders have?

 

Folks should stop living in the past. Though sometimes it is good to reminisce.

 

You still use fram?

 

Then again; I would put my previous 2X 94 Nissan Altima SE’s against any Toyota for a reliability match up..

 

KA24DE

 

And Purolator, Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum (not yet for the Titan), Nissan, etc. etc. Additionally, touch wood, no trips to the dealership as yet

 

Toyota slipping even harder......