BradBlue
oh wow, i remember when the titan was still some what new it had some decent crash reviews. I guess with the rest of the market stepping up in engineering we have fallen behind.
No worries, i'm sure Nissan will def address safety with the next gen. Being a truck used more for family people, safety will be one of the top priorities i bet.
No worries, i'm sure Nissan will def address safety with the next gen. Being a truck used more for family people, safety will be one of the top priorities i bet.
its not about vehicle safety at all. Statistical propaganda of this sort is just fodder for idiots...the same idiots, I might add, who manage to kill themselves in vehicles because they THOUGHT they could drive when they left the house that morning.
It's just like in the early 90s when there was the huge thing about how 4x4 vehicles are more dangerous than 2wd because statistics say more of them crash in the snow and ice than 2wds. Lets not ever bring to light the fact that those fools in the 4x4s wrecked because they were hauling *** in slick conditions, thinking that with 4wd they were invincible.
The simple fact is, statistical breakdowns like this are so far removed from reality of day to day driving that they are utterly worthless for actual application. Numbers by themselves take no account for driver skill, road conditions, rural or urban environs, which vehicle was at fault ( barring the single vehicle accidents), speeds involved, Duration of the fatal drive, etc
When you pick and choose the numbers to include, you can manipulate statistics to prove or disprove anything you want. Life has a lot of numbers, but numbers aren't life. Studies of that sort are utterly worthless, and the best part is that it's most likely that y'all paid for it through tax dollars.
Too bad it wasn't 4x4 CC's.. as the Impaler, I'd love to claim my truck is deadly. I was sideswiped at 70mph in my titan in predawn by a 30,000# bobtail water truck. The entire p-side of my titan from front fender to rear wheel-well was shredded. In DeBeque canyon, there's no median..it's a 4' concrete wall between east and westbound lanes. I submit that if my truck was so 'deadly' that it's a miracle that after the collision I was able to pull safely onto the right shoulder from the left lane... and even to drive it home after the accident . Or maybe...just MAYBE...I'm an experienced driver who knows how to handle his **** in an emergency, doesn't drive with a cell-phone glued to his head, drives within his limits at a constant speed, and is not only able to see past his hood, but knows where all vehicles around him are.
Seriously, I wonder how most drivers I see daily make it point A to B daily without dying... maybe I'm callous prick, but I wish half of them would, for the safety of me and mine on the road.
It's just like in the early 90s when there was the huge thing about how 4x4 vehicles are more dangerous than 2wd because statistics say more of them crash in the snow and ice than 2wds. Lets not ever bring to light the fact that those fools in the 4x4s wrecked because they were hauling *** in slick conditions, thinking that with 4wd they were invincible.
The simple fact is, statistical breakdowns like this are so far removed from reality of day to day driving that they are utterly worthless for actual application. Numbers by themselves take no account for driver skill, road conditions, rural or urban environs, which vehicle was at fault ( barring the single vehicle accidents), speeds involved, Duration of the fatal drive, etc
When you pick and choose the numbers to include, you can manipulate statistics to prove or disprove anything you want. Life has a lot of numbers, but numbers aren't life. Studies of that sort are utterly worthless, and the best part is that it's most likely that y'all paid for it through tax dollars.
Too bad it wasn't 4x4 CC's.. as the Impaler, I'd love to claim my truck is deadly. I was sideswiped at 70mph in my titan in predawn by a 30,000# bobtail water truck. The entire p-side of my titan from front fender to rear wheel-well was shredded. In DeBeque canyon, there's no median..it's a 4' concrete wall between east and westbound lanes. I submit that if my truck was so 'deadly' that it's a miracle that after the collision I was able to pull safely onto the right shoulder from the left lane... and even to drive it home after the accident . Or maybe...just MAYBE...I'm an experienced driver who knows how to handle his **** in an emergency, doesn't drive with a cell-phone glued to his head, drives within his limits at a constant speed, and is not only able to see past his hood, but knows where all vehicles around him are.
Seriously, I wonder how most drivers I see daily make it point A to B daily without dying... maybe I'm callous prick, but I wish half of them would, for the safety of me and mine on the road.
Interesting stats.
It would also be interesting to know the average age of each driver that died.
It would also be interesting to know the average age of each driver that died.
Alittle irrelevant,but one of the highest leading causes of death for teens are usually behind the wheel of a car especially if its a sports car.Though its abit irrelevant,its still a fact.
Either ford or dodge funded report.. Dodge probably still butt hurt over the Cummins deal.. Just saying.
Probably also still butt hurt from the azz kicking back in 04,and how Titan is still able to perform and get the jobs done,though Titan only had updates on the 5.6(08-up),front bumper,and re did the tailgate latch.While other manufacturers went off of Titans ideas,and started to use those ideas to compete against the Titan.
Interesting....The nissan Armada is listed as one of the safest vehicles.
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/...om/stocks/the-7-automobiles-with-spotless-driver-safety-records.html/?a=viewall
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/...om/stocks/the-7-automobiles-with-spotless-driver-safety-records.html/?a=viewall
Like er34 said, and what year did they add the stability control and that stuff, 2010? One of the reasons I sold my 2008 was for the added safety features that I got with the '11 I bought. Now, sometimes they can be a pain in the #$%, but they do work. One thing I miss from the 08 was the ability to get sideways in some wet weather, but as previous posters mentioned, not everyone has the skills to do that and pull out of it safely. Or any number of things that can get squirrely while driving a truck. I don't care whose badge is on it, these vehicles require skill and ATTENTION while driving. What I want to see is the total number of crashes versus the deaths, and that goes for any vehicle. I am sure without skewed numbers like in the article, which the media loves to do, we might start to see a different picture.
there we go.. lets have one that compares %of total reported crashes ending in fatality rather than vs registrations. Maybe broken into under and above 60mph. That would be a much more solid statistic.
So I researched IIHS and NHTSA on my 2007 Titan.
According to the IIHS, the Ford, Dodge and Chevy (newer body Chevy, not the classic) the Titan performed equally "marginally". Only the Tundra was a good performer.
According to NHTSA, the Titan is a good performer.
Anecdotally, I myself, do tend to drive WAY too fast for a full size truck. The Titan handles REALLY good for a truck, and my speed goes up around corners and on straight highway runs. If I wreck in the Titan, chances are it'll be at a higher speed than I would in a sloppier truck. 6000 pounds of truck crashing at higher speeds, not a good recipe.
I bought our Titan in response to a very high rate of DUI fatalities occurring to victims in small cars by drunks in full size SUV's, trucks. Seems every DUI is driving a big rig, and lots of people in little cars are getting killed here. I'd rather be in my 2007 Titan than a 2007 Camry up against a drunk driver in a full size.
According to the IIHS, the Ford, Dodge and Chevy (newer body Chevy, not the classic) the Titan performed equally "marginally". Only the Tundra was a good performer.
According to NHTSA, the Titan is a good performer.
Anecdotally, I myself, do tend to drive WAY too fast for a full size truck. The Titan handles REALLY good for a truck, and my speed goes up around corners and on straight highway runs. If I wreck in the Titan, chances are it'll be at a higher speed than I would in a sloppier truck. 6000 pounds of truck crashing at higher speeds, not a good recipe.
I bought our Titan in response to a very high rate of DUI fatalities occurring to victims in small cars by drunks in full size SUV's, trucks. Seems every DUI is driving a big rig, and lots of people in little cars are getting killed here. I'd rather be in my 2007 Titan than a 2007 Camry up against a drunk driver in a full size.
Why does the linked pamphlet only show the Titan listed as 2008 MY when the article states 06-08?? They also did not disclose the formula of the results were calculated. They say they used 100k registrations over that time period. Were they new registrations? Used? Both? What were the other makes/models registration numbers used? Nissan only sold around 172k Titans from 06-08. Now take that number and see how many were 2wd. Why aren't the 4X4's included in this data? Only real difference is an added fron axle and some curb weight. Why are they not on the list? Lots og anomalies there.
The data here his skewed to favor high sales vehicles. Notice, with a few exceptions, the vehicles listed on this roster are all low sales. The more sold, the less fatalities calculate into the ratio (unless you are a Chevy Cobalt). They did the calculations to find deaths per 1 million. In other words, the Titan had less units sold to distribute deaths over. Much like how reliability surveys are skewed. The high volume seller has more sales to dilute actual issues, though their actual issue number is far greater.
I'm hugely skeptical that there were more fatalities in Titans then F150's considering the Titan maybe only sold over 100k units once, maybe never, in that MY span. NHTSA also rated the Titan about the same as all the other 1/2 tons as well. My 05 brochure has it a 4 star rated with the side airbags. Ford sold as many F150's in a year as Nissan sold total Titans in 2.
The data here his skewed to favor high sales vehicles. Notice, with a few exceptions, the vehicles listed on this roster are all low sales. The more sold, the less fatalities calculate into the ratio (unless you are a Chevy Cobalt). They did the calculations to find deaths per 1 million. In other words, the Titan had less units sold to distribute deaths over. Much like how reliability surveys are skewed. The high volume seller has more sales to dilute actual issues, though their actual issue number is far greater.
I'm hugely skeptical that there were more fatalities in Titans then F150's considering the Titan maybe only sold over 100k units once, maybe never, in that MY span. NHTSA also rated the Titan about the same as all the other 1/2 tons as well. My 05 brochure has it a 4 star rated with the side airbags. Ford sold as many F150's in a year as Nissan sold total Titans in 2.
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