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Dash, Console, and Gauge Swap Titan 04-07 to 08-15 upgrades

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This is a bit of a compilation of different threads on here, and some information I have gathered doing my own dash. Here are the main dash part swaps this will aim to cover:

04-07 to 08+ Center dash console swap
04-07 to 08+ HVAC Climate Control unit swap
04-07 to 08+ radio upgrade
04-07 to 08+ Speedometer/Gauge cluster

Here is how my 07 Titan LE ended up after doing the swap. I was patient and a bit lucky getting the parts but the cost was:
$71 for the Pro-4X gauge cluster
$66 for the 2013 dual climate control, center console and switches
$78 for the 2013 Navigation unit (less common from a Titan, but you can also snag one from a Sentra much easier and cheaper).
$80 in wiring harnesses , XM antenna, Nav antenna, FM antenna adapter, and wiring connectors.

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I am going to break out the different parts to this into different pages to try and keep the information together. Caveat, this is not plug and play, and takes some basic understanding of pin-out lists from the Factory Service Manuals (FSM), splicing wires, and removing and switching pins from wiring harnesses. Nothing was overly complex, just required making a list each wire for each component, and moving it to where it needs to go. Its mostly a little tedious, but very possible. I highly recommend not cheaping out on the method of connecting wires. I used a solder/shrink connector combo from Amazon, but I would avoid the scotch locks or similar connectors. A small pick, and some smaller needles or pin releasers are also required.
 
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08+ CENTER BEZEL CONSOLE
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First and foremost, will it fit? YES. The vent size is slightly different, but I didnt bother to modify mine, I just lined it up and pushed it place. Also, the 2013+ console pushes the radio and HVAC up higher, and will require the removal of a plastic dash cross support. A small saw or tin snips will cut that right out. You will also lose the top tray on top of the radio in the 2013+ but gain a pocket below the HVAC controls.

Now for the components of just the console and switches (HVAC and Radio will be separate):

The 4x4 controls are larger and different. You cannot use your old knob, the old harness does not fit, and the pins in the old plug are too small. You will need the pigtail from the new switch. The wire colors are the same, so you just need to use the connectors to wire in the new harness.

The airbag light is different, you will need the pigtail from this, wiring colors match.

I did not use the AUX in my radio setup since it has bluetooth. Depending on your radio surround and radio this might be plug and play or you might need to wire it into a different harness if you want to keep it.

For some reason, the 2004-2007 uses two different plugs for the two power ports. One is blue/black and the other is white. The 08+ uses two of the blue style, so you will need on of those. The 08+ console also moves the ports out to the sides of the console to make more room in the switch banks. You will likely need to extend the wires to reach their new spots.

The hazard switch plug is different on the 08+. The wires are the same color, so you will need to connect these. The old passenger Air Bag plug can be used for this, but I check the PIN locations, there are 4 ports (3 are used), make sure they match.

No modifications to the rest of the dash are required to install this bezel/console.
 
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HVAC CONTROLS



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The two plugs/harnesses that go into the back of the HVAC controls are the same from 2004-2015. The two plugs are pretty easy to open and remove and swap pins. However, this is where some puzzle and detective work is going to come into play for each setup. I had hoped there would be a pinout list I could just make and it would be the same for all, but its not that easy. There are several different types of HVAC control systems in the 04-07 group, and in the 08+ group. There are three main styles in each group: basic/manual control, automatic single, automatic dual. Wiring and rearranging the pinouts will be unique for each of these. You cannot easily go from a single zone to a dual zone, since there are additional motors/flaps in the dash that need to be added. Additionally, if you want to go from a manual to an "automatic", you will need to add a heat load sensor by the windshield and the interior air sampler fan in the driver knee kick panel. So, in short, when you switch, get the style that matches your style to make it as apples to apples as you can.

The best way to do this is using the FSM. Here is a link to download the FSM for your year vehicle, and the year you are upgrading to:


This link will allow you to select your year of interest and will have a list of PDFs you can download that make up the FSM. There is a bit of a code for the names of the downloadable PDFs and what they contain. One thing to keep in mind some years have a separate PDFs for manual climate controls and automatic climate controls. Also my 2007 dual/auto climate controls were found in the 2006 FSM, not the 2007. Look through the FSM and find your controls (there should be figures), then find the pin-out table for that unique control and transfer that info to a spreadsheet. This took a little finesse with copy/pasting from PDF into excel. Keep in mind, the FSM does not have lines for blank plugs, so if you copy it into a spreadsheet, you need to have bank lines for empty slots on your plug, or your numbers will not match up with the other list you make.

There are several threads here on Titan Talk that cover this subject, and different threads might offer insight to questions not covered.

I made a spread sheet covering the 50+ pins between the two plugs. On the first two columns, I had my old wiring with the color and what each wire did. Then on the next two columns, I had the wiring colors and names of the wires for the new plug. There are a lot of wires, and the majority of them will move. There are two pink wires, so keep track of which one is which, they do different things. Most of the wires were the same colors, I had a couple that had a different color stripe or something, but for the most part it was simple to keep track of. DO NOT remove all the wires from the plug and expect you will be able to locate them and plug them back into the right slot, you will lose your damn mind. I also put marks on the plug to keep track of the slot numbers, so I could quickly keep track of where I was and which way the plug numbers ascended. KEEP TRACK OF THE BLANKS (I had to redo some pins when I didnt skip the empty spots.

Here is a photo of my speadsheet, do not expect it will match yours. Each one will be unique. This is for a 2007 Dual/Auto to a 2013 Dual/Auto

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RADIO SWAP

This will mostly be for anyone switching from the original titan radio with the radio unit in the dash, and the controls on the radio surround like this:

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to a "all-in-one" unit, like this:
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Keep in mind that the plastic surround for the radio, has different size cutouts, so just ensure that whichever radio you choose, needs to fit through this hole. Stock units are larger than a standard double DIN. It is possible to snag Nissan OEM radios from some Nissan Sentras which seem to be more common used. 2012+ radios seem to basically be a nav or non-nav option. I have a Rockford Fosgate radio in my truck, and this did not seem to add any complexity. The sub gets a signal from the speaker wires, and even through there may be more speakers, there is not more wires. You will need to make sure you wire in the sub "remote on" wire though.

The new radios have 2 large plugs, a main harness which has all the power, speaker wiring, and steering wheel controls. The secondary harness has the wires for the backup camera input, the aux port input, the and most importantly, you will need to use a wire in this for the illumination to work. If you have a nav or XM unit, you will also need antennas for that. And the new radios need an adapter plug for the FM/AM antenna plug.

I got most of my information for from this thead:

This was from a frontier, but it does have a couple of pin outs in the FSMs on there. He also solves the illumination issue that is located on the secondary harness.

I made an adapter harness from the following:
OLD Radio FEMALE Harness
New radio main harness MALE
NEW Secondary harness MALE
I bought 2 of the "New radio main harness MALE" because that plug does not contain the wires for the steering wheel controls, so I used one of the plugs to poach wires from and transfer them to the other. Caveat with the steering wheel controls. The voltages from the different switches are mostly different, so they don't exactly work. Volume up will activate voice controls, next track down turns the volume up, BUT the next track up does work and mode works. So you can choose if you think its worth wiring that in or not.

The Frontier in the thread above, for the secondary harness, the guy creates his own harness. I took a gamble and ordered a harness from a Toyota as the shape looked the same, and sure enough it fits the secondary harness. The link for the "NEW secondary harness new MALE", if you cut off the female size of the adapter, you have the correct male side, and it comes with the wires for the RCA plug for the backup camera if you want to add that. I did have to move the pins around to match up the Nissan radio, from where they were placed for a Toyota.

Here are the links for the:
AM/FM Antenna Adapter
GPS Antenna
XM Antenna

One big thing to keep in mind, you will need to add a new GROUND wire to the vehicle side harness going to the new harness. For whatever reason, removing the other three unused plugs, it looses this wire. If you do all your wiring and nothing works, this is likely why. Also, if you are going to use a 2013+ dash, with a radio not sourced from a 2013+ Titan you will need to make sure to find the mounting brackets. The arms are longer to move the radio higher.

Obviously if you are using an aftermarket unit, most of this wiring will be simpler, on the new radio side. But the ground wire issue will still be there.
 
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RADIO SWAP

This will mostly be for anyone switching from the original titan radio with the radio unit in the dash, and the controls on the radio surround like this:

View attachment 542896 to a "all-in-one" unit, like this: View attachment 542897

Keep in mind that the plastic surround for the radio, has different size cutouts, so just ensure that whichever radio you choose, needs to fit through this hole. Stock units are larger than a standard double DIN. It is possible to snag Nissan OEM radios from some Nissan Sentras which seem to be more common used. 2012+ radios seem to basically be a nav or non-nav option. I have a Rockford Fosgate radio in my truck, and this did not seem to add any complexity. The sub gets a signal from the speaker wires, and even through there may be more speakers, there is not more wires. You will need to make sure you wire in the sub "remote on" wire though.

The new radios have 2 large plugs, a main harness which has all the power, speaker wiring, and steering wheel controls. The secondary harness has the wires for the backup camera input, the aux port input, the and most importantly, you will need to use a wire in this for the illumination to work. If you have a nav or XM unit, you will also need antennas for that. And the new radios need an adapter plug for the FM/AM antenna plug.

I got most of my information for from this thead:

This was from a frontier, but it does have a couple of pin outs in the FSMs on there. He also solves the illumination issue that is located on the secondary harness.

I made an adapter harness from the following:
OLD Radio FEMALE Harness
New radio main harness MALE
NEW Secondary harness MALE
I bought 2 of the "New radio main harness MALE" because that plug does not contain the wires for the steering wheel controls, so I used one of the plugs to poach wires from and transfer them to the other. Caveat with the steering wheel controls. The voltages from the different switches are mostly different, so they don't exactly work. Volume up will activate voice controls, next track down turns the volume up, BUT the next track up does work and mode works. So you can choose if you think its worth wiring that in or not.

The Frontier in the thread above, for the secondary harness, the guy creates his own harness. I took a gamble and ordered a harness from a Toyota as the shape looked the same, and sure enough it fits the secondary harness. The link for the "NEW secondary harness new MALE", if you cut off the female size of the adapter, you have the correct male side, and it comes with the wires for the RCA plug for the backup camera if you want to add that. I did have to move the pins around to match up the Nissan radio, from where they were placed for a Toyota.

Here are the links for the:
AM/FM Antenna Adapter
GPS Antenna
XM Antenna

One big thing to keep in mind, you will need to add a new GROUND wire to the vehicle side harness going to the new harness. For whatever reason, removing the other three unused plugs, it looses this wire. If you do all your wiring and nothing works, this is likely why. Also, if you are going to use a 2013+ dash, with a radio not sourced from a 2013+ Titan you will need to make sure to find the mounting brackets. The arms are longer to move the radio higher.

Obviously if you are using an aftermarket unit, most of this wiring will be simpler, on the new radio side. But the ground wire issue will still be there.
Question, the plastic frame around the radio that borders the center panel, where did you get that? I've been looking to replace mine, can't find it anywhere, not even the part number.
 
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SPEEDOMETER GAUGE CLUSTER

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The 08+ Gauge cluster has the vehicle information such as MPG, Distance to Empty (DTE), service reminders, and outside temp that the 04-07 models did not have. For the most part the swap is easy, there are some pins that need to be removed or changed depending on which model you have. Most of the information is here:


On page 2 or 3, the wiring swap has largely been figured out. A couple things form my own experience, the 08+ clusters have 2 plug inputs. It appears that MOST of the 04-07 only have 1 plug. You can make your own plug or source the plug if you only have 1. Please check your stock gauge first. I found out after I made my 2nd plug, that my 07 had both plugs there.

The thread also states that in the earlier models, the oil pressure gauge does not work as the 08+ gets that information from the computer, and the early models have their own wire for this information which does not link up with the new cluster. However, in my 07, it does get its info from the computer, so your year and model may vary. About 6 wires need to be removed, or changed around. Up to 3 wires need to be extended to the 2nd plug including a ground, and illumination wire. Overall this all took about 30 mins and was straight forward. The pins DO NOT come out of the harness, at least not easily, so just plan on cutting wires and reconnecting them to the right slot to make everything work.

Also vehicle mileage is stored on the gauge cluster, so your vehicle will likely not have the same when you put the new one in. It is possible to have this information updated. Having lower mileage than previously recorded can flag your VIN and come up on a history report if your mileage drops. It could result in fraud if this is not disclosed to the a buyer if you sell your vehicle too, so keep this in mind. My new gauge only had 40K where my truck has 178K.

Also, there does not appear to be any difference between a "console shift" instrument cluster, and a "manual" or "steering column" shift instrument cluster. That kept coming up during the listings, but I did not have any issue putting a console shift cluster in my steering column shift vehicle. UPDATE Though I am not sure why, for some reason when you swap the clusters, you will no longer have the ability to use your manual shift feature on the staulk, so no turning off overdrive, or downshifting with the switch. I thought I just had a bad wire in there, but when I opened it up and checked, the wiring was fine. So, somehow this cluster stops the switch from talking to the transmission. ***
 
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The only way to do this kind of swap without breaking the bank is to spend a bunch of time scouring eBay and the like for used parts in good shape. I swapped my 2012 SL dash stack for a standard version (with the little change tray at the top) so I could use an aftermarket stereo. The front face is just a Metra installation kit from Best Buy. It took a few weeks of searching to find the correct bezel in good shape.

I went from this:
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To this:
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I would have loved to find a 2013-2015 Rockford Fosgate bezel, like the one the OP used, but they are exceedingly rare and quite expensive. I decided I could do better for less by using the standard center bezel and installing a modern aftermarket stereo.
 
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The original one I went with was a no-name Chinese radio from Amazon. I would NOT recommend it. The 10" screen looked great, but the unit operated horribly. I replaced it with a 7" Kenwood that I really love. Kenwood also makes a 10" floating screen model that is really nice. If you have to choose between a big screen or a good stereo, go for the good stereo.

Kenwood DMX9707S
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welcome to the site, @L. Shaw

@Warhammer can update you but i think i remember him posting about putting it in on another thread. maybe not though