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Honestly, I would think of those as a last resort. The vinyl/rubber/plastic is going to be brittle in the winter and that thing is taking up a big portion of the bed. During the winter I still continue to haul around "stuff" in the bed of my truck. When I did add weight I just used sand bags, that way if I had to move something big I could just shove the bags to one side so I could get the item in. That bag for me would just be in the way all the time.
 
I dont have too put anything in the back of my truck!! Oh wait i live in phoenix!!!! hahaha
 
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Extra weight in the back really decreases the quality of my four wheel drifts.

I'm one of the few (only?) people to poopoo the BFG A/T KO tires. I think they suck on slick roads. My BFG Rugged Trails do better on slick roads than do the A/T KO tires. I won't buy another set of the A/T KO's unless I use them off-road only. I'm not saying the Rugged Trails are great, but I like their street manners a lot better than the A/T KO's. The A/T KO's are very good in deep (12"+)snow however.

I sometimes put bags of water softener salt in the bed, but not more than 4 since I already have the topper.
 
Never need to add weight here. Especially since I ditched the stock tires. I only use 4WD on the streets when I am stopped at an incline on ice. Never had my rearend come out on me unintentionally.
 
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Big babies. What do you need sand bags for?

Pro Comp muds are like rail road tracks in the snow.


I agree in deep snow mud tires are suitable..I am more concerned with just a few inches of snow on day to day driving...if performance wasn't an option everyone would be rolling on some kind of mud tires...with that being said anyone got any feedback on the BF Goodrich KM2?
 
living in Indiana we get exposed to freezing rain, sleet, light snow and even a foot or more of snow. You never know what you will get in the winter. I have not used any weight in the back of my truck. Granted, last winter is the only winter I have ever driven a truck. I plan on experimenting this year when we get our fist measurable snow. I will use 40# bags of water softner salt. I chose salt because it will be good for melting snow and traction if needed. I can then just use them in my water softner in the spring when I am done with them and I will not have to store them.
 
Extra weight in the back really decreases the quality of my four wheel drifts.

I'm one of the few (only?) people to poopoo the BFG A/T KO tires. I think they suck on slick roads. My BFG Rugged Trails do better on slick roads than do the A/T KO tires. I won't buy another set of the A/T KO's unless I use them off-road only. I'm not saying the Rugged Trails are great, but I like their street manners a lot better than the A/T KO's. The A/T KO's are very good in deep (12"+)snow however.

I sometimes put bags of water softener salt in the bed, but not more than 4 since I already have the topper.
I agree about the BFG A/T KO's, although mine were fine for the first 30-35K miles, but after that, (even though they had plenty of tread left), they were very slick/squirrelly in the rain. This was with 300+ pounds of sand in the bed behind the rear axle.
 
Iowa driver checking in. I've never carried weight in my pickups. I carried four concrete blocks in the trunk of a '66 Fairlane when I was a kid, and compressed the springs over two winters. I had to use coil helpers just to get it back to stock ride height (I was poor, the car was six years old with rust, and re-arcing or replacing the springs weren't options). I've never carried extra weight since.

Last weekend I went on a 600 mile round trip to Spencer, IA and hit a significant snow storm between Waterloo and Webster City, and drove in deteriorating conditions all the way to Spencer. There were more than a few cars and trucks in the ditches. I felt the rear end get a little squirrely a time or two, switched into 4WD slowed to about 40mph and continued on without problems. I actually drove out of the worst of the storm, and switched back to 2WD when it was appropriate. I saw an F150 lose a 20" tandem axle construction trailer on Hwy 20 just outside Fort Dodge. The rig was blocking the eastbound lanes altogether; the trailer was on its side, and the truck's rear end was about 4 feet off the ground, still hitched to the trailer, held off the ground by the hitch and trailer tongue.

I do carry an aluminum toolbox across the bed behind the rear window, but no additional weight other than the box and tools.

I had an '02 Tundra access cab that I sold when I bought the Tundra, and without looking up the weight distribution, it seemed like the Titan may be a little lighter in the rear end... but that's an entirely subjective observation. I don't remember the Tundra being squirrely under similar conditions... but then again I am getting old and forgetful. :lol:

I will say that the Titan was well mannered overall in some pretty difficult snow/packed snow/ice conditions.
 
Here's what I put in back of my Titan to add weight in "snowy" conditions. LOL!
 

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Iowa driver checking in. I've never carried weight in my pickups. I carried four concrete blocks in the trunk of a '66 Fairlane when I was a kid, and compressed the springs over two winters. I had to use coil helpers just to get it back to stock ride height (I was poor, the car was six years old with rust, and re-arcing or replacing the springs weren't options). I've never carried extra weight since.

Last weekend I went on a 600 mile round trip to Spencer, IA and hit a significant snow storm between Waterloo and Webster City, and drove in deteriorating conditions all the way to Spencer. There were more than a few cars and trucks in the ditches. I felt the rear end get a little squirrely a time or two, switched into 4WD slowed to about 40mph and continued on without problems. I actually drove out of the worst of the storm, and switched back to 2WD when it was appropriate. I saw an F150 lose a 20" tandem axle construction trailer on Hwy 20 just outside Fort Dodge. The rig was blocking the eastbound lanes altogether; the trailer was on its side, and the truck's rear end was about 4 feet off the ground, still hitched to the trailer, held off the ground by the hitch and trailer tongue.

I do carry an aluminum toolbox across the bed behind the rear window, but no additional weight other than the box and tools.

I had an '02 Tundra access cab that I sold when I bought the Tundra, and without looking up the weight distribution, it seemed like the Titan may be a little lighter in the rear end... but that's an entirely subjective observation. I don't remember the Tundra being squirrely under similar conditions... but then again I am getting old and forgetful. :lol:

I will say that the Titan was well mannered overall in some pretty difficult snow/packed snow/ice conditions.
It always gives me a chuckle to see on of the "BIG 3" trucks in the ditch or stuck...I pulled a F-150 out of the ditch the first winter I had mine...all the guy asked was what kinda gas millage that thing gets , I told him 30 mpg. I think he believed me too.
 
300lbs total, 150lbs behind each rear wheel.

much heavier and you will just sink
 
I'm just wondering, out of the guys who don't put weight in the beds, do you have a camper top over the bed? The weight thing really helps though, We had a few snowfalls when I first got mine, like 8 inch roughly, and I drove for a day without it back there. Next day I put it in there. Considerable difference. If you don't have to drive in 4wd, then why bother. It didn't kill my mileage at all, only thing I couldn't do anymore was get the wheels to spin on pavement. I'll deal with it in my bed over the looseness that occurs without.
 
If you don't have to drive in 4wd, then why bother.
Several reasons. First, you have to carry the weight of the transfer case and front axle anyway. Why not use it when you need it? Second, some of us actually use the pickup bed for carrying 'stuff' other than sand bags and/or weight, and it's a hassle to take sand bags in and out. Third, unless your sand bags are tied down in some fashion, 300 lbs flailing about in the bed is a lot of weight to allow to shift around if you need to make a violent evasive maneuver. Last, (and probably the least signficant) if you don't have a bed liner, the bag will wear on the paint and the sand can hold moisture to rust the bed.

Roger
 
Ok, Ill give you that, good points. I'll just make one last argument with this one. Some say why put weight in the back. Others say, it's a stupid idea, why bother. Think of it this way, the bed is just that, a big empty void over your rear axle to haul stuff around. So, without something in the back, it's pretty light, your main source of power is going to those rear wheels. Therefore, in less than ideal conditions, you hit the gas and the wheels spin and the rear wants to get away. Now you put it in 4hi. Over your front wheels and right behind that axle, you have a motor, the entire front end assembly, your hood, the fenders and such. Right behind that is the transfer case. All of that stuff equals quite a bit of weight over your front axle. So you go to 4hi and you have traction. Granted that's the idea of having a 4x4. At the same, for those of us that don't use the bed all too often, we put 4 to 6 sandbags back there. Gives us a few hundred pounds, keeps the rear from sliding out and less wear and tear on the transfer case if we can avoid it. As for holding down the bags, put them at the tailgate, use a ratchet strap across the top of them to hold em in. If you have the rail system, then tie down right between the rails. Overall though, it's just an opinion. In the winter I prefer to do so. Others are just as comfortable not doing so. Good luck to all either way this year! I'm about to embark on a journey from Washington to RhodeIsland in February hauling all my household goods in the cab, bed and a U-haul trailer. That should be good times!
 
I'm about to embark on a journey from Washington to RhodeIsland in February hauling all my household goods in the cab, bed and a U-haul trailer. That should be good times!
Good luck with that! Remember that the UHaul trailers use hydraulic surge brakes that don't come on until well after you've hit your truck brakes, and they have absolutely no sway control at all. That can be pretty scary, especially on winter roads!

Roger
 
you hot the nail on the head for city driving with a lot of turns it's is much easier to stay in 2 wheel drive , while on country roads which go often unplowed 4x4 is a more viable option or long periods of straight aways due to the higher speeds and the chance of drifting or ice melt off patches.

Trucks were meant to have stuff in the back , So I don't notice a difference from a 200lb pds. extra , the equivalent of an addition passenger.

I always figure better safe than sorry...I do recommend using the tie down cleats and straps to secure toward the the floor and pushed tight against the bed extender.
Not to metion 4x4's have even more of a forward weight bias because of the wieght of the transfer case and 4x4 parts, so when you are driving around in two wheel drive your going to have a harder time then a regular two wheel drive truck would.
 
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securing sand bags is important my set up with a tie down strap and 2 bungee cords
 

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