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I've been very seriously considering a Tundra Crew Max LTD. It's a beautiful truck with many compelling features, but that youtube video of the bouncing/wobbling bed and C-channel frame has really turned me off to it. Not only that, but the cheap plastic interior is a big disappointment for a $45-48k price point.

Just as Titan unfairly wears the scarlet letter for reliability, I suspect Toyota's past reputation will get the new Tundra a recommendation it hasn't earned, and may not deserve.

There's nary a dent on this Titan from two-finger pressure on thin sheetmetal quarter, roof or hood panels as has been observed about the Tundra, although its supporters state "all trucks do that," clearly if they did, why would they be mentioning it?

The more I think about it, I think Nissan actually did hit a home run out of the park with the Titan, but ruled foul ball because they missed on the brakes and rear end differential. In all other aspects, I think the Titan really is better than the new Tundra, smoother tranny, flawless engine, rigid frame and excellent road manners to name just a few fundamental reasons why.
 
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My rear end was a major failure, it was un-driveable. When the front diff went out, which I consider a major failure as I cannot go to work without 4wd. While I could still drive with the front diff gone, the front axle popping out made it un-driveable.
I went thorugh 3 ABS units on the 05 and two on the 04(only had the 04 for 9600 miles). I consider this a major failure.
Windows dropping to the bottom of the doors, can't get into the truck easily, can't close the doors, resulting in both doors being sprung on the long trip to the dealer with the windows down and doors wired partly shut in the winter.
At least 3 BCM modules blown. Symptoms varied depending upon how severe the BCM problem was. Worst case, nothing works, best case, when you take the keys out the ignition, the widows go down, horn beeps, I consider this a major failure, especially in the winter when we 100" of rain.
Transfer case gone, can't go to work, another major failure. Axle seals gone, while not a major failure at the time, if not noticed it could be a major failure.
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by the way, i like my titan but i'm being too easy on nissan. i still like my titan but primarily because i've been able to fix it because one of my best friends is a mechanic and i also own a book. i had problems with my axle seals leaking, my gas tank spewing back fuel and my 4 by 4 not working presumably because of bad quality control issues. but after these problems were fixed, the truck became a pleaser. i personally don't blame sky for his position on the titan... i still have to fix my ac because it rattles sometimes as well as a slight lean that it seems to have (to the right.) it still leans even though i replaced the suspension all the way around the truck
 
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Tom Roper said:
I've been very seriously considering a Tundra Crew Max LTD. It's a beautiful truck with many compelling features, but that youtube video of the bouncing/wobbling bed and C-channel frame has really turned me off to it. Not only that, but the cheap plastic interior is a big disappointment for a $45-48k price point.
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the crew max does look better because of the rear doors, longer cab equalizes the unbalanced proportions of the double cab version.

Tom Roper said:
Just as Titan unfairly wears the scarlet letter for reliability, I suspect Toyota's past reputation will get the new Tundra a recommendation it hasn't earned, and may not deserve.
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which i don't understand, because Toyota's first full-size truck offering the T100 was a joke and the Tundra its first few years had the same brake issues the Titan had. (it was an actual recall). then Toyota created the double cab, offspring of the Tundra extra cab, which was an entirely different truck aside from sharing drivetrain and interior components, the double cab was manufactured in a brand new facility from the ground up. so toyota in a sense is in its 4th generation of building a full-size, whereas Nissan just broke the ice in the full-size segment with the titan.

Tom Roper said:
There's nary a dent on this Titan from two-finger pressure on thin sheetmetal quarter, roof or hood panels as has been observed about the Tundra, although its supporters state "all trucks do that," clearly if they did, why would they be mentioning it?
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good point, the sheetmetal does seem very thin on the Tundras as i went up to my neighbor's 4.7L 08 tundra and pressed on the bedside and then compared it to my bedside. the titan definitely felt much more rigid.


Tom Roper said:
The more I think about it, I think Nissan actually did hit a home run out of the park with the Titan, but ruled foul ball because they missed on the brakes and rear end differential. In all other aspects, I think the Titan really is better than the new Tundra, smoother tranny, flawless engine, rigid frame and excellent road manners to name just a few fundamental reasons why.
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i can't actually compare the two however there have been several who have test-driven the tundra 6spd and those that have said the titan's 5sp is much smoother than the tundra's. i can say that the titan's tranny is the smoothest tranny i have had the pleasure of driving even almost as smooth as the CVT in the Murano. the brakes are another issue. there's some that have had 0 issues with their stock OEM brakes on 04s and 05s and of course we all know of all the documented issues with those that have, like myself. not sure who the maker of the rotors were but the brake components are built by Bosch. now from reports the problem with the brakes was not the thickness of the rotors themselves but the heat-treating process they underwent was incorrect. was this Nissan's fault? i know one thing for sure is they stepped up and got me a set of new rotors, new brake pads and also supplied me with new rotors and new pads for the rear brakes too. my cost was 0 dollars as was many who had the same TSB serviced. now as for the rear differential, i would go as far as to say more of a foul tip then a foul ball. only titans really affected were those with the big tow package and the big tow gears. i'm not even sure it even affected those like myself with the non big-tow gears/package. i've had zero problems with my rear differential and neither have 1000s of others. my titan was built in january of 04 and my friend SDtitan1's titan was built in december of 03 and neither of us have had any other major problems, so i will say i feel Nissan did hit a homerun out of the park their first attempt at building a full-size 1/2 ton truck! granted i had a driver side catalytic convertor's honeycomb disentegrate into fine granular particles and get sucked back into the engine, scouring the cylinder walls and destroying everything internally in its path (which nissan without questions, replaced my whole motor) i feel my titan has been amazing and i've beaten her hard when offroading!
 
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Toyota had the most refined, very solid truck if not up to full size. But the new one just bounces and wobbles from too much jello around the wasteline.

Anyone else seen the youtube videos?
 
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hooligan said:
now as for the rear differential, i would go as far as to say more of a foul tip then a foul ball. only titans really affected were those with the big tow package and the big tow gears. i'm not even sure it even affected those like myself with the non big-tow gears/package.
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Most of the failures reported here: http://www.titantalk.com/forums/titan-problems-dealer-service/36809-nissan-titan-nhsta-reported-failures-powertrain-driveline-rear-differential-unit.html have been 4X4 with the E-Locker. That is more of a constant then the Big-Tow gearing.
 
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37L1 said:
Most of the failures reported here: http://www.titantalk.com/forums/titan-problems-dealer-service/36809-nissan-titan-nhsta-reported-failures-powertrain-driveline-rear-differential-unit.html have been 4X4 with the E-Locker. That is more of a constant then the Big-Tow gearing.
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ahh, forgot that fact. perhaps Nissan should have done away with the solid rear axle and put a heavy duty version of the Armada axle in instead. LOL!!! Armadas don't have rear axle issues do they? :lol:
 
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37L1 said:
Most of the failures reported here: http://www.titantalk.com/forums/titan-problems-dealer-service/36809-nissan-titan-nhsta-reported-failures-powertrain-driveline-rear-differential-unit.html have been 4X4 with the E-Locker. That is more of a constant then the Big-Tow gearing.
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I have a 2x4 non big-tow and no e-locker, 85,000 mi. and I'm on my third rear end. I love this truck but I will never trust the Titan rear-end's they are junk and need to be totaly redesigned. And I don't abuse my truck.
 
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