Our wheels aren't hub-centric, they are lug centric. At least my '04s are, and I'm not aware of any change.

 

I believe stock wheels are wheel (or lug) centric, meaning they are concetrically positioned with the lugs. My 18x9 Rockstars are hub-centric, meaning they are concentrically positioned by the hub.

 

it is my understanding, ALL titan wheels are HUBcentric 78.1mm, just slightly over 3". meaning the hub is holding everything center, not the lug nuts.

this is important IMO, can someone verify 100% ?

 

I believe the factory wheel are hub centric, and because the Titan has a small hub most other trucks can't run our wheels, but we can run theirs as long as we run them lug centric.
Almost all the aftermarket wheels for the Titan are lug centric...

 

It is an issue I worries about too much after getting LC amd reading we are HC. It has not been an issue at all. Problems I had with front tire wear was balance and tire related. Rims fit perfect as LC.

I've read both answers as being right, authoritatively stated. It isn't like your buying rims with slots in them, I would never use that.

All this stuff is done on highly precise CNC machinery, hard to imagine LC not working just fine in our application. IMO.

 

It is an issue I worries about too much after getting LC amd reading we are HC. It has not been an issue at all. Problems I had with front tire wear was balance and tire related. Rims fit perfect as LC.

I've read both answers as being right, authoritatively stated. It isn't like your buying rims with slots in them, I would never use that.

All this stuff is done on highly precise CNC machinery, hard to imagine LC not working just fine in our application. IMO.

Thanks folks for the input.

I can try to find rings if I buy a lug-centric wheel...

 

It isn't like your buying rims with slots in them, I would never use that.

Funny stuff...I forgot about those type of wheels...

 

I appreciate everyone's input as it is helping me make my choice.

NOW as I'm shopping for my tire/wheel combination, I notice that...

1. We have hub-centric wheels.
2. Some wheels that I like are wheel-centric

Has anyone else had this concern?

Titan stock wheels are hub centric(the hole in the center of the wheel holds the wheel center and the lugs hold the wheel on)
the bolt pattern is the old Nissan truck standard 6" on 5.5" had a frontier and those poor bastards have some freakish bolt pattern. don't recall.
I found that the Chevy wheel is the same 6" on 5.5" hub centric and it fits.
for instances pro comp has two part numbers for the 6 on 5.5 one is with a big hole in the center and one is the Chevy hub centric same as Titan. The big hole model you install the center cap from the back through the big hole big cap and the hub centric model you install the wheel then the center cap snaps in the smaller hole. smaller hole smaller cap. looks better and the wheel is held on center buy the hole.imo smaller hole is better

Hub-Centricity
When automobile manufacturers design a vehicle, they utilize hub-centric wheels so that:

* The wheels are positioned very precisely on the car.
* The possibility of shifting while being mounted is minimized.


Lug-Centricity
The alternative to a hub-centric wheel is known as lug-centric.

* The wheels are located solely by the lug nuts rather than the wheel hub.
* As the lug nuts are tightened, they adjust the wheel's position relative to the hub, thus centering the wheel.
* Properly torqued, the lug nuts continue to keep the wheel centered as the vehicle is driven.

Lug-centric wheels require extra care in mounting on a vehicle. When using shouldered nuts instead of tapered nuts, take extra care to properly locate the wheel. Never use air tools to install high performance wheels! Always use a torque wrench and follow accepted tightening procedures.

Wheels in pic are hub centric.

 

Thanks folks for the input.

I can try to find rings if I buy a lug-centric wheel...

When I discovered I should have bought HC, I called MB Motoring and tried to get rings. They were not in stock and I was told I should not need them, call back if you have a problem.

The reason it is not a problem, is that the Rims have Tapered Seats as do the Nuts that are sold for them. So, in esence, I'm using the LC Technique.

As I claimed earlier, the entire manufacturing process is so acurate that the HC is a non issue when using LC Rims and proper Nuts. Placing a Ring wasn't going to shift where my rims are.

Nobody in their right mind is going to use Flat bottom Nuts on a Taper Seat. Although, I must say, many have made this very serious mistake.

I believe the "FACT" is, we have HC.

I also believe many will claim we have LC, because the LC works fine, with good quality exact sized rims, not them slotted things.

Get rings from your Rim Supplier, or go to Summit or Jegs, call if you don't see the item online or in the catalog. Some items are just too numerous to list, and they prefer to help you select the right thing. New ad on page for www.justforwheels.com for Rings.

Enough said from my little cranium. Bye.

 

I still don't see where you guys are getting hub-centric from. My wheels are lug-centric. Hub centric wheels use a shouldered lug nut (it's flat on the mounting surface, as it doesn't center the wheel.) The Titan lug nuts are chamfered, since they do the centering.

 

I still don't see where you guys are getting hub-centric from. My wheels are lug-centric. Hub centric wheels use a shouldered lug nut (it's flat on the mounting surface, as it doesn't center the wheel.) The Titan lug nuts are chamfered, since they do the centering.

Remove the studs on the hub and place your wheel on there. The wheels center bore will center itself on the lip or flange of the wheel hub. The Titan has about a 77.8 or 78.1mm hub and the your wheels have a close tolerance fit so that the wheel will center itself on the hub. This is hub centric.

After market wheels have a larger wheel bore and use the lugs and studs to center the wheel. This is lug centric. You could use hub centric rings to center the wheel on the hub.

 

I'm clear on the differences. My point was that my Titan ('04 LE) has OE lug centric wheels. They are chamfered lug nuts with matching mating surface on the wheels. Hub centric wheels have neither of these.

 

The big hole model you install the center cap from the back through the big hole big cap and the hub centric model you install the wheel then the center cap snaps in the smaller hole. smaller hole smaller cap. looks better and the wheel is held on center buy the hole.imo smaller hole is better .

I thought the smaller hole was always better! :eveilgrin

 

I still don't see where you guys are getting hub-centric from. My wheels are lug-centric. Hub centric wheels use a shouldered lug nut (it's flat on the mounting surface, as it doesn't center the wheel.) The Titan lug nuts are chamfered, since they do the centering.

I'd say that is the best arguement/response I've seen on this issue. (Which was a new issue to me, 18 months ago). My 06 Steel Rims were also Tapered Seat. The Super Moderator may be right.

 

I'm clear on the differences. My point was that my Titan ('04 LE) has OE lug centric wheels. They are chamfered lug nuts with matching mating surface on the wheels. Hub centric wheels have neither of these.

THAT EXPLAINS IT!your truck is a 04. Nissan has long since improved everything.:upsidedow
I have a 06 and my wheels are HUB CENTRIC. and so where the pro comp wheels I used to run.

 

I thought the smaller hole was always better! :eveilgrin

It show is.:banasex0r

 

I'll look at my steel spare rim and see for sure if it has tapered seats at the lugs. That is what would make it LC as I understand it.

Someday we all might agree on this. ???

 

I was under the impression that our OEM wheels were a combination of hub and lug centric. The wheel is made specifically for the Titan hub size and the lug nuts are an acorn style to ensure the wheel sits perfectly centered on that hub.:dunno: Maybe a fail proof way to guaranty a smooth ride quality. Just my $.02

 

forget about the tapered vs. flat lugs. Nissan wheels (OEM) are hubcentric. luckily, we CAN use lugcentric wheels, they will work. 108mm toyota tundra wheels will fit, chevy 78.1mm wheels will fit. however, to be perfectly correct, we should use HUBcentric wheels for proper fitment. 77.8mm.

no doubt, the lugs will hold it all on.... just saying what is right and what will work. since there are more wheel options for chevys, i recommend anyone looking for wheels to look for gm silverado/avalanche/escalade/tahoe wheels.

 

forget about the tapered vs. flat lugs. Nissan wheels (OEM) are hubcentric. luckily, we CAN use lugcentric wheels, they will work. 108mm toyota tundra wheels will fit, chevy 78.1mm wheels will fit. however, to be perfectly correct, we should use HUBcentric wheels for proper fitment. 77.8mm.

no doubt, the lugs will hold it all on.... just saying what is right and what will work. since there are more wheel options for chevys, i recommend anyone looking for wheels to look for gm silverado/avalanche/escalade/tahoe wheels.

THEY WILL WORK ON THE TITAN AND ARE HUB CENTRIC.

I'll look at my steel spare rim and see for sure if it has tapered seats at the lugs. That is what would make it LC as I understand it.

Someday we all might agree on this. ???

AGAIN!
FORGET THE LUG F****IN NUTS LIKE Geezus_Aach SAID, IF THE SMALLER HOLE IN THE CENTER OF THE WHEEL CENTERS THE WHEEL THEN ITS HUB CENTRIC.
BUT IF YOUR WHEEL HAS A LARGER HOLE AND YOUR WHEEL HANGS OFF CENTER UNTIL YOU TIGHTEN THE LUG NUTS ( WHAT EVER KIND) THEN ITS LUG CENTRIC. (CENTRIC) WHAT IS CENTERING THE WHEEL WHEN YOU PUT IT ON?
A HUB CENTRIC WHEEL DOES NOT NEED THE LUGS TO CENTER IT, JUST HANGS ON THE HUB CENTERED. A LUG CENTRIC WHEEL WILL JUST HANG OFF CENTER ON THE LUG STUDS UNTIL THE NUTS ARE TIGHTENED TO HOLD IT SO, AND INITIALLY YOU HAVE TO LIFT THE WHEEL AND HEAVY A$$ TIRE UNTIL YOU HAVE A FEW SNUG OR IT WILL FALL OFF CENTER.:huh: WHAT A PAIN IN THE A$$. HUB CENTRIC IS EASIER..............BETTER!

HUB CENTRIC
Definition: A wheel that is centered or located on the hub by a machined center hole-as opposed to "lug centered" wheels that are located by the position of the lug nuts alone.

 

THEY WILL WORK ON THE TITAN AND ARE HUB CENTRIC.


AGAIN!
FORGET THE LUG F****IN NUTS LIKE Geezus_Aach SAID, IF THE SMALLER HOLE IN THE CENTER OF THE WHEEL CENTERS THE WHEEL THEN ITS HUB CENTRIC.
BUT IF YOUR WHEEL HAS A LARGER HOLE AND YOUR WHEEL HANGS OFF CENTER UNTIL YOU TIGHTEN THE LUG NUTS ( WHAT EVER KIND) THEN ITS LUG CENTRIC. (CENTRIC) WHAT IS CENTERING THE WHEEL WHEN YOU PUT IT ON?
A HUB CENTRIC WHEEL DOES NOT NEED THE LUGS TO CENTER IT, JUST HANGS ON THE HUB CENTERED. A LUG CENTRIC WHEEL WILL JUST HANG OFF CENTER ON THE LUG STUDS UNTIL THE NUTS ARE TIGHTENED TO HOLD IT SO, AND INITIALLY YOU HAVE TO LIFT THE WHEEL AND HEAVY A$$ TIRE UNTIL YOU HAVE A FEW SNUG OR IT WILL FALL OFF CENTER.:huh: WHAT A PAIN IN THE A$$. HUB CENTRIC IS EASIER..............BETTER!

HUB CENTRIC
Definition: A wheel that is centered or located on the hub by a machined center hole-as opposed to "lug centered" wheels that are located by the position of the lug nuts alone.

^^^ That's what I thought too...without all the yelling of course.

 

Saw this thread as I was googling this subject...My two cents...

I have an 08 Titan PRO-4X. I got a set of 20" Silverado SS rims for it. While the bolt patter and spacing is the same, there are two major differnces:

1. The Nissan lug nuts are tiny compared to the Chevy....which means the wheel studs are smaller too...so to make up for that you need to buy flared lug nuts or the nuts almost pass right through the Chevy lug holes.
2. NTB just told me...and I am inquiring about this b/c I still get a vibration here and there and my Nissan dealer said it was the difference b/t the two hub diameters...that the Nissan has a 77.8 MM hub, although I see conflicint reports that say the Titan has a 78.1 MM hub, and the Silverado SS has a 78.3 MM Hub although one of the posters here said the Chevy's have a 78.1 MM Hub...so I am confused...

Can anyone for sure...give the facts on a 08 Titan Hub diameter and a Silverado SS Hub Diameter?

And does anyone know a good place to get a Hub Centric ring to make up the difference?

 

The wheels I bought are also for chevys and the bore is 78mm with no vibration :thumbsup:
Ultra Wheel

 

Most aftermarket wheels are L/C, so there's no problem running them on the Titan since that's the way they were designed.
The problem comes when you try to run a wheel from say a Chevy that's H/C as L/C, then there's no real provision for centering the wheel w/out using the hub.

 

My dealer admitted the 1mm difference in hub size, which btw, is imperceptable by the eye when fitting the Chevy SS rims on there...is not the cause or at least it should not be, but I did find out the Titan wheels have no such washer or spacer like some nissan/infiniti cars do so it's definitely not that, and the SS wheels do hang on the hub b/f mounted so I would think that, like the Titan, the Wheels are Hubcentric...so who knows. I just drove around yesterday and the vibrations/shudders were very minimal and now Nissan admits something about a drive shaft issue or something else too so now they want me to bring the truck in and kill me with kindness...